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Silent Runner
09-29-2008, 16:28
I've been reading all the posts around the Obama and McCain and began to wonder...

Is there anyone in this forum that is still undecided?

ravenkeeper98
09-29-2008, 16:45
Not at all, already voted

loudes13
09-29-2008, 17:00
I can't see how people can be undecided. We know what each candidate and each party stands for.

Woofie
09-29-2008, 17:11
I can't decide whether I am going to vote third party or just not bother voting at all.

deadday
09-29-2008, 19:01
Well, it's a choice this year between a ****** bag and a turd sandwich...I think I'll just abstain....




drew

meshmdz
09-30-2008, 23:15
I am very DECIDED. I'm gladly and proudly voting for Obama. I am sick and tired of the way things have been. End of story.

norton
10-01-2008, 05:13
I am very DECIDED. I'm gladly and proudly voting for Obama. I am sick and tired of the way things have been. End of story.

Are you a gun owner?

TDR
10-01-2008, 05:45
I have decided:

Obama Sucks
McCain Sucks
Bush Sucks

Yes, I am a gun owner but I find it difficult to decide based on one issue, even when it is the gun issue.

I have voted in every election since 1976, I may skip this one or write in someone.

:crying:

Fiery Red XIII
10-01-2008, 06:33
Are you a gun owner?

See his other posts in other threads...he and Barry only disagree on that issue in that we should need paperwork for full-auto's. He thinks Obama really can cut taxes for 95% of people. (By giving non-income tax payers a check so he's then "cutting" their sales tax expenses...only problem is he'll get those checks through OUR income taxes)


Red

meshmdz
10-01-2008, 08:38
Are you a gun owner?

Yes, I own 8 firearms. I have been a gun owner my entire life. I agree and share many of Obama's views. On gun control, we dont agree on "assault" weapons. But because I dont agree with him on his assault weapons standpoint, I am not NOT going to vote for him.

But hey, he is increasing his lead over McCain in the states that matter, OH, FL, PA.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081001/ts_alt_afp/usvote_081001140023;_ylt=ApMBQDNvUSlMiw18ElEyr3Vh24cA

M2 Carbine
10-01-2008, 10:09
Is anyone UNDECIDED on the Presidential candidates?
I had decided to vote, but probably for a write in.

I respect McCain but because he will give the illegal aliens amnesty and I believe he will sign any anti gun legislation sent to him, and a few other things, I do not want him to be President.

I think Obama is TOTALLY unqualified to be President and he gives me the creeps. I wouldn't trust him to manage a 7-11 much less the country. He's a TOTAL ZERO. If nothing else, picking Biden for VP shows what a dumb ass Obama is.

Since the Republicans were smart enough to get Palin for VP I'll wote for her. McCain can come along but I don't like it.
I think with four years experience as VP, Palin will be the next, and first woman, President.

meshmdz
10-01-2008, 12:58
I had decided to vote, but probably for a write in.

I respect McCain but because he will give the illegal aliens amnesty and I believe he will sign any anti gun legislation sent to him, and a few other things, I do not want him to be President.

I think Obama is TOTALLY unqualified to be President and he gives me the creeps. I wouldn't trust him to manage a 7-11 much less the country. He's a TOTAL ZERO. If nothing else, picking Biden for VP shows what a dumb ass Obama is.

Since the Republicans were smart enough to get Palin for VP I'll wote for her. McCain can come along but I don't like it.
I think with four years experience as VP, Palin will be the next, and first woman, President.

A dumbass? Hmmm, Senator Obama is highly educated. Dumbass would entail that he isnt. Now, if you dont like policy, thats one thing. But to call out his intellect because of a choice you dont like is childish.

norton
10-01-2008, 16:22
A dumbass? Hmmm, Senator Obama is highly educated. Dumbass would entail that he isnt. Now, if you dont like policy, thats one thing. But to call out his intellect because of a choice you dont like is childish.

George W. Bush has an MBA from Harvard.
I bet you think he's a dummy, don't you?

meshmdz
10-01-2008, 22:28
George W. Bush has an MBA from Harvard.
I bet you think he's a dummy, don't you?

No I dont think President Bush is ignorant. Anyone who has a degree from Harvard is an intellectual. I respect him and his education. However, I dont think he has made good decisions as President. This is not in any way a strike at his intelligence.

TacticalBling
10-02-2008, 07:42
meshmdz, it sounds like a one-issue thing, but here's another side to it: How an official feels about 'letting' American citizens own guns is a pretty good litmus test for how that person feels about the people of the Nation.

Does he trust them to make the right decisions overall, and want them to be responsible for themselves and their families' safety?

Or does he think he can save the 'common folk' from their own ignorance and hatred, and be their almighty protector? Does he feel they're just too stupid and irresponsible to own guns?

Or, does he fear what all these bitter people, clinging to guns and religion, would do if they didn't like his 'changes', and actually decided to do something about it?


As to the OP's question:

I'll probably vote third party, out of principle.
I might vote McCain if I see more substantial evidence that his views on things agree with mine.
I'll be damned twice before I vote for Obama.

MRex21
10-02-2008, 18:25
I've been reading all the posts around the Obama and McCain and began to wonder...

Is there anyone in this forum that is still undecided?

I think it's pretty much decided. Americans will vote for McCain. Socialists and traitors will vote for Obama.

meshmdz
10-02-2008, 18:54
I think it's pretty much decided. Americans will vote for McCain. Socialists and traitors will vote for Obama.

What an outlandish statement fetched in lunacy.

SDGlock23
10-02-2008, 19:09
I think it's pretty much decided. Americans will vote for McCain. Socialists and traitors will vote for Obama.

+1. Even if Obama keeps gaining in the polls, it could help McCain. People will begin to second guess themselves and wonder whether or not they really want to elect a socialist as POTUS.

MRex21
10-02-2008, 19:14
What an outlandish statement fetched in lunacy.

Let me put it this way. If you vote for Obama, you soil and dishonor everything you claim to stand for as an ROTC cadet.

In fact, I question your cognitive and logical abilities and personally believe you should have been weeded out of the law enforcement testing process as a sub-standard candidate.

Keoking
10-02-2008, 19:33
What an outlandish statement fetched in lunacy.

You're clearly missing the boat. The situation is simple. If you are blindly pro-gun, to the exclusion of things that are far more important, then you must always vote Republican. There is clearly no other worthy issue to discuss. The economy revolves around your right to own and carry high capacity large caliber firearms. Taxes too high ... we need less gun control. You want something better for the children ... the answer is more guns. Get on board.

MRex21
10-02-2008, 19:39
You're clearly missing the boat. The situation is simple. If you are blindly pro-gun, to the exclusion of things that are far more important, then you must always vote Republican. There is clearly no other worthy issue to discuss. The economy revolves around your right to own and carry high capacity large caliber firearms. Taxes too high ... we need less gun control. You want something better for the children ... the answer is more guns. Get on board.


Actually, that is far from the case. It is plainly clear you have not adequately researched the candidates, in particular Barack Hussein Obama. There's more to socialism than 'guns'. Obama is plainly the most frightening candidate I've ever seen sprouting from the left.

Thinking it's all about 'guns' is myopic.

Cody Jarrett
10-02-2008, 20:19
I can't decide whether I am going to vote third party or just not bother voting at all.
The reality of that statement is that your vote will benefit Obama

Cody Jarrett
10-02-2008, 20:20
Actually, that is far from the case. It is plainly clear you have not adequately researched the candidates, in particular Barack Hussein Obama. There's more to socialism than 'guns'. Obama is plainly the most frightening candidate I've ever seen sprouting from the left.

Thinking it's all about 'guns' is myopic.
MRex21... EXACTLY!!!

meshmdz
10-02-2008, 20:40
Let me put it this way. If you vote for Obama, you soil and dishonor everything you claim to stand for as an ROTC cadet.

In fact, I question your cognitive and logical abilities and personally believe you should have been weeded out of the law enforcement testing process as a sub-standard candidate.

How dare you question my cognitive abilities to perform the duties of an Army officer based on who I support for President, just because you disagree. You take a cheap shot at my character and cognitive skills and thats just unfair and cheap. I should have been weeded out??? Because of my political thoughts? :rofl:

MRex21
10-02-2008, 20:47
How dare you question my cognitive abilities to perform the duties of an Army officer based on who I support for President, just because you disagree. You take a cheap shot at my character and cognitive skills and thats just unfair and cheap. I should have been weeded out??? Because of my political thoughts? :rofl:

No, I question your cognitive abilities because you clearly have not given any thought to who Obama is, and the policies he supports/promotes. This indicates to me a severe lack of critical thinking skills and no ability to discern details or come to a logical conclusion. This indicates you are severely lacking in the skills one needs to be a law enforcement officer.

The fact that you have the audacity to put on an American uniform, and yet you still choose to support a decidedly leftist/socialist anti-American tells me that you are a very confused individual, or you see the uniform as a means to an end or some sort of entitlement.

Yes, you soil and dishonor the uniform if you support an anti-American such as Obama. If you can't come to grips with that, then it's your problem, not mine.

meshmdz
10-02-2008, 21:05
REX, I am not going to be a law enforcement officer. I am 8 months away from being a 2LT in the active Army.

Still stating that I lack abilities to think critically because I am voting for Obama is a cheap shot and wrong on all accounts. So if Obama wins and the majority of America supports Him, are they ignorant and lacking critical thinking skills as well? Pretty big claim if you say it is so.

JMag
10-02-2008, 21:37
If you are undecided at this point you are either not planning to vote anyway, your politically apathetic, or you are just not paying attention to anything that's not going on in your own little world.

MRex21
10-02-2008, 21:45
REX, I am not going to be a law enforcement officer. I am 8 months away from being a 2LT in the active Army.

Still stating that I lack abilities to think critically because I am voting for Obama is a cheap shot and wrong on all accounts. So if Obama wins and the majority of America supports Him, are they ignorant and lacking critical thinking skills as well? Pretty big claim if you say it is so.

Obama will win if (and that is a very, very hypothetical 'if') he wins the electoral college. The electoral college does not necessarily equate to 'America'. A candidate can lose the popular vote and still win an election based on the electoral college.

I am stating that based on your choosing to support the anti-American Obama, you soil and dishonor your uniform and everything it represents.

If Obama wins I believe we will begin a very frightening shift towards a socialist form of government akin to the type of take-over that Hugo Chavez performed in Venezuela. You, as an ROTC cadet took an oath to defend this nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To state that you support Obama is nearly unfathomable.

Tilley
10-02-2008, 21:53
I am very DECIDED. I'm gladly and proudly voting for Obama. I am sick and tired of the way things have been. End of story.
So you would rather have things WORSE?

Tilley
10-02-2008, 22:00
So if Obama wins and the majority of America supports Him, are they ignorant and lacking critical thinking skills as well? Pretty big claim if you say it is so.

Obama's mantra is basically making Bush as satan, and we hate satan, right? :steamed:Well, a vote for McCain is a vote for satan, cuz McCain is exactly like Bush...:steamed:

We are headed for very extremely dangerous times, and I am afraid idiot American voters will put in a candidate with no clear views, and no leadership skills. WITH a muslim name.

The only thing scarier is if the other guy wins, has a stroke, and a hockey-mom runs this country.

Where is Colin Powell and Condalisa Rice when you need them???

Agent6-3/8
10-02-2008, 22:06
The choices this election stink. Politics in general stink. But I'm voting McCain to keep Obama out of office. Liberalism, will be the death of America.


Honestly, though, I sometimes think it doesn't matter who gets elected...

MRex21
10-02-2008, 22:17
I only wish the ticket was Palin/McCain rather than McCain/Palin.

meshmdz
10-03-2008, 07:20
So you would rather have things WORSE?

Well, things could get a little worse... If McCain and Obama didnt put aside politics and vote to pass the $700 billion dollar bailout like they did. Hats off to them both.

Tilley
10-03-2008, 09:45
For many years the world ran on the US dollar. Now the "euro" is fast becoming the world's standard and is destabilizing our economy. We have a great many enemies, and not through our own fault, but because we have higher moral standards. And the funny part is, we are struggling with our own moral standards!

We need a leader who is fair, but not afraid to "pull the trigger." Truman saved millions of lives by using nuclear weapons. Tough decision. Could Palin make this decision...no way. Obama? Very doubtful.

There's much more I could say about this, but then the algae in my pool will win this day, and I know when to "pull the trigger." Sufficed to say, if the Prez race was McCain/Biden vs. Obama/Palin, this race wouldn't even be close. I haven't felt this bad in a Prez race since Clinton beat Bush.

Each party this time around has some major issues. BUT, I still think given the problems we face dealing with a very dangerous world, McCain is the lesser of two evils.

Minuteman
10-03-2008, 10:31
I have decided; "None of the Above"

Minuteman
10-03-2008, 10:32
A vote for mccain is a vote for Amnesty for illegals.

norton
10-03-2008, 11:00
REX, I am not going to be a law enforcement officer. I am 8 months away from being a 2LT in the active Army.

Still stating that I lack abilities to think critically because I am voting for Obama is a cheap shot and wrong on all accounts. So if Obama wins and the majority of America supports Him, are they ignorant and lacking critical thinking skills as well? Pretty big claim if you say it is so.

I strongly disagree with you politically, but do thank you for your service to our country.

meshmdz
10-03-2008, 13:49
I respect you norton. REX knows nothing of respect because if he disagrees with you politically, then he bashes your uniform, the fact that you made the same decision that others did to wear it, the fact that you love this nation, etc... all because your politics dont meet his litmus test of what HE thinks America should adhere to. I'm glad this type of fool is the kind that just trolls on a forum online and wont affect those of us who want what is better and best for this nation. I tried to be respectful to him and he repeatedly took cheap shots and its just wrong.

TangoFoxtrot
10-03-2008, 16:54
I've been reading all the posts around the Obama and McCain and began to wonder...

Is there anyone in this forum that is still undecided?

I am.... I'm a Republican but McCain/Palin doesn't do it for me. Obama also does not impress me. I wish their was a selection on the ballot that said " NONE OF THE ABOVE" With all the smoke and mirrors lately it really hard to decide. Oh well I guess I'll have to before Nov. 4th.:faint:

SW342
10-03-2008, 17:00
I think it's pretty much decided. Americans will vote for McCain. Socialists and traitors will vote for Obama.

I agree!

MRex21
10-03-2008, 18:10
I respect you norton. REX knows nothing of respect because if he disagrees with you politically, then he bashes your uniform, the fact that you made the same decision that others did to wear it, the fact that you love this nation, etc... all because your politics dont meet his litmus test of what HE thinks America should adhere to. I'm glad this type of fool is the kind that just trolls on a forum online and wont affect those of us who want what is better and best for this nation. I tried to be respectful to him and he repeatedly took cheap shots and its just wrong.

Tell yourself whatever you need to, to absolve your guilt. It doesn't make any difference. Obviously it's something you are rather sensitive about, indicating a level of insecurity about the choice, or perhaps you realize what a mistake supporting Obama is, but your pride won't let you admit a mistake. Who knows? If you were truly confident in your conviction then you simply wouldn't acknowledge my 'cheap shots'. They simply wouldn't phase you. However, it's fairly obvious that choosing Obama is something you are doing without any real research or investigation. Hence, you are basing your pick on emotion. Thus, without thought.

If you truly wanted something better for this nation, you wouldn't be voting for Obama. You simply haven't done any real research.

meshmdz
10-06-2008, 19:23
Tell yourself whatever you need to, to absolve your guilt. It doesn't make any difference. Obviously it's something you are rather sensitive about, indicating a level of insecurity about the choice, or perhaps you realize what a mistake supporting Obama is, but your pride won't let you admit a mistake. Who knows? If you were truly confident in your conviction then you simply wouldn't acknowledge my 'cheap shots'. They simply wouldn't phase you. However, it's fairly obvious that choosing Obama is something you are doing without any real research or investigation. Hence, you are basing your pick on emotion. Thus, without thought.

If you truly wanted something better for this nation, you wouldn't be voting for Obama. You simply haven't done any real research.

I have done research. And the hell of it is, I cant find any of McCain's plan to cut taxes on middle class Americans and how he is going to INCREASE the military by manpower.

Secondly, your assessment of me, given you dont know me, is laughable Rex. You think I care what you think of me and get upset about it... :rofl: I just have something called integrity and when someone bashes someone because they dont agree with them politically, it shows what an ass said person is and depletes any credentials their thoughts might have garnered them in intellectual discussion. For you to state your opinion and dissent with mine is more than fine, but to bash me and my character because Im not supporting McCain isnt right.

MRex21
10-07-2008, 09:32
I have done research. And the hell of it is, I cant find any of McCain's plan to cut taxes on middle class Americans and how he is going to INCREASE the military by manpower.

Secondly, your assessment of me, given you dont know me, is laughable Rex. You think I care what you think of me and get upset about it... :rofl: I just have something called integrity and when someone bashes someone because they dont agree with them politically, it shows what an ass said person is and depletes any credentials their thoughts might have garnered them in intellectual discussion. For you to state your opinion and dissent with mine is more than fine, but to bash me and my character because Im not supporting McCain isnt right.

Ok, well...thanks.

You're the one who has to wrestle with your guilt, not me. Let me put it another way.

I think it's pretty much decided. Americans will vote for McCain. Socialists and traitors will vote for Obama.

Cody Jarrett
10-07-2008, 10:13
To all those who abstain... you just voted for Obama.

PAGunner
10-07-2008, 21:57
Well, things could get a little worse... If McCain and Obama didnt put aside politics and vote to pass the $700 billion dollar bailout like they did. Hats off to them both.

Hey how is that bailout going? Hats off to them, eh? Wait, how many economists were against it? Oh thats right all of them, but the liberally bias ones. :upeyes:

PAGunner
10-07-2008, 22:03
I have done research. And the hell of it is, I cant find any of McCain's plan to cut taxes on middle class Americans and how he is going to INCREASE the military by manpower. .

Taxes are already cut for the middle class. Go ahead and educate yourself if you dare.

http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/

I've been following that commie Obama for a while and he has been on both sides of almost every issue. Tonight he actually claimed he was gonna reduce taxes, yet has proposed trillions in new spending. Who do you think is gonna have to pay for that? Especially since raising taxes on those evil rich people has historically decreased revenue to the federal government? Hmmm, that leaves the middle class there bud, you'll see. Sad that you have been brainwashed by Saul Alinsky's ideal protege.

mo_hunter
10-12-2008, 14:46
I think it's pretty much decided. Americans will vote for McCain. Socialists and traitors will vote for Obama.

Well said!

I read this some place and thought it fits

"I love my country more than I hate mccain"

JohnMeridith
10-12-2008, 15:08
Undecided about who is actually worse, obama/mccain or the people that vote for either of them.

I will be writing in the Champion of the Constitition, the Lighthouse of the Republic. Ron Paul.

JohnMeridith
10-12-2008, 15:18
We have a great many enemies, and not through our own fault, but because we have higher moral standards. And the funny part is, we are struggling with our own moral standards!.

I could post about 1000 pages to show you why we are hated throughout the world, but I would hope you will do your own research and revisit your thoughts on this. People do not hate us because of our morals, they hate us because we occupy their lands and strongarm their natural resources from them. Start with the CIA and what it has done in South America, then move to the Middle East. If you still think we can stomp all over the world and there won't be consequences, I can't help you.

meshmdz
10-12-2008, 19:17
well stated johnmeredith.

17z
10-12-2008, 22:01
I will write in my people who I think will run this country well. Ted Nugent and Larry[Dan Whitney] The Cable Guy. He is from my state of Nebraska. either one of these two could be pres or vice pres. And if it is Oboomer and McCain Tie, guess who then for pres and vp,,,,,,, Pelosi and Reid. think about who you really want in the WhiteHouse this coming January to start the ball rolling. And it also should depend on CON,,,,,gress who stays and who gets their pink slip. 17z,Omaha,Ne.

SCmasterblaster
10-14-2008, 16:04
I am very DECIDED. I'm gladly and proudly voting for Obama. I am sick and tired of the way things have been. End of story.

And a short while later you write that you will NOT vote for him?

For me, the choice is easy. McCain is pro-gun. He gets my vote.

CanyonMan
10-14-2008, 18:12
I wil not vote for a Muslim ...


CM

d3athp3nguin
10-14-2008, 18:15
This thread seems to be bait for "lets pounce on whoever says they're undecided or voting for Obama."

I wish a different Republican candidate was picked, like Ron Paul or Mitt Romney... but I don't think either candidate is going to do a stellar job if elected. I have decided to vote Republican because I think that the core principals pushed by the Republican party will be better in this current situation than the Democratic offering.

I have a problem with people saying that you are "voting for Obama" if you don't vote for McCain. Your vote is yours to cast; it doesn't matter what other people think your vote should be.

A vote is simply a statement of who you think is the best (or better) candidate for the job. Some people (like me this time) may choose to vote for a candidate they can live with, that has the best chance of getting elected. However, if 30% of the population votes for a third party, I don't think they threw their votes away- they just made a very powerful statement that people are sick and tired of the two-party system, and it sets a precedent for more people widening their options. It also makes elected officials take notice, and they may start taking these other interests into consideration.

I always thought proportional representation would be a neat way to distribute seats in Congress- that would allow more than two parties the opportunity to get a say in legislation, and would make (ideally) be a more accurate representation of voters' interests. In other words, if the Libertarian party got 10% of the vote, they would get 10% of the seats in Congress.

JohnMeridith
10-14-2008, 18:56
if 30% of the population voted 3rd party(assuming a vast majority of them voted for a specific party) we would not have a repulicrat president.

I am going to assume d3athp3nguin believes the republicans push core values of conservatism, but I will respectfully disagree 100%. There is nothing conservative about fighting preemptive war, overspending, bloating government, repressing liberties, pushing socialism and on and on and on.

We must realize the dems and reps do not give a **** about any citizen in this country, at least not you and me or anyone not worth hundreds of millions.

100 trillion in current and promised debt
500-1000 Military bases throughout the world
The Fed ran by private banksters that inflate and steal saver's money through inflation(tax)

Those are the core issues of this country and none are ever mentioned by the two party system. The citizens are getting the government they deserve.


Mccain is NOT pro gun. (http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm)

d3athp3nguin
10-14-2008, 20:52
if 30% of the population voted 3rd party(assuming a vast majority of them voted for a specific party) we would not have a repulicrat president.

I am going to assume d3athp3nguin believes the republicans push core values of conservatism, but I will respectfully disagree 100%. There is nothing conservative about fighting preemptive war, overspending, bloating government, repressing liberties, pushing socialism and on and on and on.

We must realize the dems and reps do not give a **** about any citizen in this country, at least not you and me or anyone not worth hundreds of millions.

100 trillion in current and promised debt
500-1000 Military bases throughout the world
The Fed ran by private banksters that inflate and steal saver's money through inflation(tax)

Those are the core issues of this country and none are ever mentioned by the two party system. The citizens are getting the government they deserve.


Mccain is NOT pro gun. (http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm)

As for McCain's voting record on gun control, it appears to be overwhelmingly in favor of more gun rights:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm

Is he of the "2nd amendment is my carry permit" type? Nope- but his voting record in recent years has been pretty consistently pro-gun, and he has publicly stated numerous times while campaigning that he would not support any AWB (as opposed to Obama dodging the issue or advocating "common sense" gun legislation). When it comes to gun control, I'll support the candidate who stands to lose support for going back on his word, compared to a candidate who skirted around the issue so he can vote against it with little repercussion.

With respect to the economy, I lost faith in both candidates when they supported the bailout. To me at that point, it came down to picking a few issues that I cared about and seeing which of the two was most likely to support my views on those issues. Like many people here, gun rights are a very important issue to me- so that's an influential factor in my vote. In the future I may decide to stop playing the "red vs blue" game, but for now I'll vote with one of the two main parties.

In any case, I sympathize with your frustration at the two-party system. For some people it's "which one (of two) do I support," for others it's "lesser of two evils," and for others it's "I don't buy into this system, I'm voting for X." Which people are right? :dunno: Depends on what your priorities are. When enough people decide that it is a high enough priority to shuffle things up in government, then votes will reflect that. The big issue then, is coordinating such efforts from the bottom up; cause you know that kind of change won't happen from the top down.

Edit: then again, Bob Barr and Ron Paul are looking pretty good... :supergrin:

meshmdz
10-15-2008, 14:45
I wil not vote for a Muslim ...


CM

Poor guy, still smoking the Republican fixed peyote. :rofl: Barack isnt a Muslim, and never has been. :upeyes:

TacticalBling
10-16-2008, 10:33
People do not hate us because of our morals, they hate us because we occupy their lands and strongarm their natural resources from them. Start with the CIA and what it has done in South America, then move to the Middle East. If you still think we can stomp all over the world and there won't be consequences, I can't help you.

well stated johnmeredith.

First of all, I apologize if this is a personal attack on you, meshmdz; your political views aren't terribly popular here, true, but they are yours, and as a human being with free choice and an American citizen with the right to express such, you can't be faulted for doing so.

Based on the above, and your reactions on another thread, I question whether you are morally qualified to be a commissioned officer in our Nation's military. Why would you choose a career in the armed services if you agree with the views above? You know very well that you might be ordered to take part in missions which involve 'stomping all over the world,' as JohnMeredith puts it, yet by your own admission in the thread I mentioned, you will obey ANY order you're given, regardless of your own convictions--up to and including disarming your fellow citizens at gunpoint.

It would be hypocritical enough to join the military in any capacity, but you're training to be a leader of men, whose lives could depend on your judgment and discretion. Say you give an order, and your PSG or (if you're a company commander) your 1SG, who are soldiers who will be likely much older and more experienced than you, tell you their consciences will not permit them to carry out your order--they believe them to be unlawful as well as immoral--what then? You'll be expected, naturally, to be an example of both integrity and good judgment as well as an authority figure.

So...why the decision to be a military officer? And if it's not too prying, which branch and MOS were you applying for? Maybe people here who have served in your chosen field can provide you with more input.

Ho-kay, back on topic...

Hm. I have to admit I've been more convinced by some of McCain's recent interviews and talking points. If he'd only tighten up his stance on illegal aliens I'd feel more reassured. Joe the plumber has thrown some fresh dung onto the fire for Obama, too. :supergrin:

meshmdz
10-16-2008, 17:24
First of all, I apologize if this is a personal attack on you, meshmdz; your political views aren't terribly popular here, true, but they are yours, and as a human being with free choice and an American citizen with the right to express such, you can't be faulted for doing so.

Based on the above, and your reactions on another thread, I question whether you are morally qualified to be a commissioned officer in our Nation's military. Why would you choose a career in the armed services if you agree with the views above? You know very well that you might be ordered to take part in missions which involve 'stomping all over the world,' as JohnMeredith puts it, yet by your own admission in the thread I mentioned, you will obey ANY order you're given, regardless of your own convictions--up to and including disarming your fellow citizens at gunpoint.

It would be hypocritical enough to join the military in any capacity, but you're training to be a leader of men, whose lives could depend on your judgment and discretion. Say you give an order, and your PSG or (if you're a company commander) your 1SG, who are soldiers who will be likely much older and more experienced than you, tell you their consciences will not permit them to carry out your order--they believe them to be unlawful as well as immoral--what then? You'll be expected, naturally, to be an example of both integrity and good judgment as well as an authority figure.

So...why the decision to be a military officer? And if it's not too prying, which branch and MOS were you applying for? Maybe people here who have served in your chosen field can provide you with more input.

Ho-kay, back on topic...

Hm. I have to admit I've been more convinced by some of McCain's recent interviews and talking points. If he'd only tighten up his stance on illegal aliens I'd feel more reassured. Joe the plumber has thrown some fresh dung onto the fire for Obama, too. :supergrin:

:rofl::rofl: So let me get this straight.... Because I will follow the orders given to me by my commanders and have my own political beliefs that are backed by FACT I am not qualified to be a military officer? Give me a break. I support the US and our military and even though some practices by our gov. or military I might not agree with does NOT mean that I will not do as I am ordered. You are a complete fool if you think that i am not qualified to be an officer in the Army based on my dissent for certain things our gov. has done in the past. Just because someone doesnt agree with their nation's foreign policy on all fronts doesnt mean they are qualified to lead soldiers.

meshmdz
10-16-2008, 17:25
I submitted my branch requests and will find out what I will be doing as an officer on 23rd OCT. YOU will be one of the first to know there buddy.

MRex21
10-16-2008, 19:48
:rofl::rofl: So let me get this straight.... Because I will follow the orders given to me by my commanders and have my own political beliefs that are backed by FACT I am not qualified to be a military officer? Give me a break. I support the US and our military and even though some practices by our gov. or military I might not agree with does NOT mean that I will not do as I am ordered. You are a complete fool if you think that i am not qualified to be an officer in the Army based on my dissent for certain things our gov. has done in the past. Just because someone doesnt agree with their nation's foreign policy on all fronts doesnt mean they are qualified to lead soldiers.


Yeah, it sounds like you just about got it. Maybe 'traitor' is a little too harsh yet, but 'traitor-ish'. Yup.

Woofie
10-16-2008, 20:29
The reality of that statement is that your vote will benefit Obama

Umm, no.

To all those who abstain... you just voted for Obama.

See above.

Mind explaining to me how your two statements make any sense whatsoever?

GUN NUT
10-27-2008, 09:37
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/shane0472/Mccain_obama.jpg

MN44
10-27-2008, 16:21
Anyone who votes Obama deserves their second amendment to be taken away from them and sadly enough it seems as it will happen once Democrats gain super majority in DC.

People in U.S are so dumb and ignorant. What crappy times we live in.

I live in CA and already voted for McCain even though I know my vote wont make any difference in this left wing idiotic state.

SCmasterblaster
10-27-2008, 16:44
and I'll bet that this state will vote for BHO and his hard left policies.

Front Sight
10-29-2008, 15:42
At least Sara is a life member of the NRA. We need her in the white house over Biden any day.

farnhamj
11-01-2008, 19:01
Why I'm voting Democrat:

I'm voting democrat because Barbara Walters is my idol and so is P.Diddy.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will
rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will
disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as
long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be
allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the
rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education,
or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because the same teacher that didn't teach my child to read can reasonably educate them about sex.

I'm voting Democrat because my trial lawyer's crippling multi-million dollar lawsuits against doctors, hospitals, drug companies, and HMO's will make health insurance and medicine much more affordable.

I'm voting Democrat because Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, and Jesse Jackson will end racism once and for all.

I'm voting Democrat because Christians in the Republican Party are intolerant, theocratic warmongers and atheists like William Ayers have never hurt anybody.

I'm voting Democrat so that no family member of mine will die in a hospital bed. They will still be waiting in line for Obama's socialized medicine, so they will never actually make it into a hospital bed.

I'm voting Democrat because I like eminent domain and big business and government kicking me out of my home and taking my land.

I'm voting Democrat because everyone knows that raising taxes at the top won't hurt people at the bottom.

I'm voting Democrat because skin color and good oratory skills are more important than judgment and experience.

I'm voting Democrat because protecting barren wasteland is more important than energy independence.

I'm voting Democrat because my college professor told me that America is evil and should give up its place in the world.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that Cuba, Russia, and China should be on the United Nations Human Rights Council.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that everyone is essentially good -- even people like Ahmadinejad who call for the destruction of Israel. He just needs a little understanding.

I'm voting Democrat because we should all be forced to drive ugly cars with the horsepower of a riding lawnmower.

I am voting Democrat because I believe in change; although I don't know WHAT the change will be, or HOW it will happen, AND I am pretty sure that I won't WANT to actually change anything I do, but still....I believe in change.

I'm voting Democrat because the government knows how to raise children better than parents do.

I'm voting Democrat because I want the rich to work harder, give me their money, and pay for my services so I don't have to.

I'm voting Democrat because I don't give to charity or do volunteer work and then I complain about how selfish everyone else is.

I'm voting Democrat because I've seen welfare help so many poor people become self-sufficient and upwardly mobile.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not driven enough to realize my dreams without the government holding my hand the entire way.

I'm voting Democrat because I want America to be Europe's prosthetic limb.

I'm voting Democrat because I think we all should be equal...equally unhappy and unsuccessful.

I'm voting Democrat because life just isn't fair and I deserve what other people have without working for it.

I'm voting Democrat because I like hearing the word "Change" 50 million times in presidential debate, seeing the word on celebrities' t-shirts and bags, on signs outside of million dollar houses, and know that the only change that is going to happen is that I'm going to work 40 hours a week and not even see a penny of my paycheck because taxes will go through the roof!!! YAY!!!!

I'm voting Democrat because Barack Obama is better than you, and he knows it!

I'm voting Democrat because I like how democrats can cause financial crises' like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and have the temerity to blame them on Republicans.

I'm voting Democrat because Obama was endorsed by Hamas and terrorists endorsements are a must to achieve world peace.

I am voting Democrat since I believe those who are lazy, druggies, high school drop outs, etc. should be entitled to the money I wake up every morning and work my ass off to make!

I'm voting Democrat because fire can't melt steel.

I'm voting Democrat because for some reason "change, change, change"..is the mantra for the obama camp...so, since he won't explain what 'change' is...i guess he's asking for parking meter fare?...i have three quarters in my wallet.

Im voting democrat because it's the COOL thing to do. I'm hip and in the majority.

Im voting Democrat because I listen to and believe all the celebrities/actors who so passionately want Obama to win because I can't think for myself at all. The same celebrities who WE make rich because we GO SEE their movies and watch their T.V. shows put millions of dollars into their pockets! but...these multi-million dollar celebs are so disheartened by AMERICAN ways and the capitalistic economy we have and the world will come to and end if another Republican comes into office...hmmmmm...

I'm voting Democrat because I'm a dumbass and because "Hillary said so"

I'm voting Democrat because I won't be subjected to any criteria for meeting U.S. terrorists and having a cool-aid with any of them, and one last critical factor.

I'm voting Democrat because of the War on Terror. We have not been attacked once since Sept. 11, 2001, and that was caused by Bill Clinton, but I still don't feel safe.

I'm voting Democrat because communist economics always work. Look how well off the Soviet Union is right now. That wall in Berlin has never looked better.

I'm voting Democrat because I agree with Joe Biden, that it really is patriotic to pay more taxes. So I'm going to pay a "direct tax." Instead of wasting time giving it to the government for redistribution, I will give my money to derelicts who loiter outside of liquor stores and methadone clinics. That's where it ends up anyway. YES WE CAN ... screw up this country like never before.



I think I am voting Republican

centurion
11-01-2008, 21:29
I voted for Obama. To be exact I voted a straight Democrat ticket. I hope America gets pushed so far to the left so fast it will make people sick. The reason being, this country must be tried to be socialist/communist while there are still enough people to resist. Hopefully we will be able to crush this madness before the soc/commie pinkos take over. Just my opinion.

Front Sight
11-02-2008, 16:49
Sorry to here some gun owners are voting democratic. Sounds to me as if they are taking their freedom for granted.
I work with some one who says he is concerned about the economy, however he has two foreign cars in his driveway and didn't buy anything other than food and gas this past year.

Porkchop
11-02-2008, 23:35
both candidates suck.that is all:tongueout: im writing in ted nugent for president

FireE1
11-03-2008, 16:09
I doubt very many people are truly undecided at this point. I'm going to vote for the lesser evil again.

40Magnum
11-03-2008, 17:45
Senator Obama is highly educated

So.. he reads books?

Do you think he would debate the 2nd Amendment with Ted Nugent if Ted wore a suit and got a haircut?

It blows my mind that a guy with no real world experience can lull people into a state of euphoria simply by words alone. He got the perfect storm. Unpopular president, economic hardship, and a stereotype grumpy old man to run against.

This guy should not even be in the running based upon his resume and all the things in his past that would have flat out killed anyone else in the news. That is my biggest concern this past election season. What the media has become is simply frightening.

meshmdz
11-03-2008, 19:15
tomorrow will be interesting.

farnhamj
11-03-2008, 22:35
If Obama is elected(GOd help us all) and someone doesn't agree with political decisions, etc, how many are going to be labeled racist. That is what I am afraid of.