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mangkukhan
10-05-2008, 02:39
First off I am not military, but I am planning on going in within a year and had a question that may sound stupid but I have never heard the answer. When you first enter boot camp or OCS and you are issued your gear, are you given the opportunity to try on the gear and change it if it doesn't fit properly? Not so worried about clothes, but boots are a pretty important issue item in my opinion.

I do alot of hiking/hunting/camping and I have had lots of problems finding the perfect fitting boots. I am a 12, 12 1/2, or 13 depending on which company the boots are manufactured by and I was wondering if I would be allowed to try on different sizes or am I going to be asked my size and given the boots I will be wearing period? I don't want to be stuck wearing boots that are going to rip up my feet the entire time I'm in training.

Also is there a single specific manufacturer making boots for soldiers?, or does it depend on what they are stocking and who they're buying from at the time?

Postal Patron
10-05-2008, 08:54
Yes. Although they measure your feet/body in Basic Training for the right size fit should occur the first time.

deadday
10-05-2008, 09:03
Yes..

Rakkasan
10-05-2008, 09:29
Don't leave CIF (central issue facility) until you receive the right sizes that you feel comfortable in. The people working there will sometimes try to tell you they fit, but only you can make that decision, and don't cave in to their lack of patience.

ace3587
10-05-2008, 16:35
I've heard different stories from different BCT locations but...

I went to Fort Leonard Wood, MO a couple of months ago and we had to stand on this machine, socks off, and it measured our pressure areas, foot size, sock size, shoe size, boot size. It also told you the type of cushioning your shoe should have.

Once we got into issue, we were able to try on different sizes and the people at CIF tried to hurry us along, but we were able to move around in each boot and make sure it fit correctly. Some people were even allowed to go back after about a week in basic to get new ones because their feet were getting torn up. Even with a proper fitting boot, my feet still got torn up, but I never got a blister ::knock on wood::.

Biscuitsjam
10-05-2008, 17:16
Yep, try on boots until you find something that fits.

Also, when you go to the shoppette to buy your own shoes, try those on until you find something that fits.

They'll try to rush you both places, but don't settle for something that will cause you injury. Lots of guys get hurt at BASIC - be smart.

eisman
10-06-2008, 21:16
I never (repeat never) use any issue boots. Not for years. I live on my feet, they get the best I can buy for them. Danner.

My cousins think I'm Santa when I send them the stuff I can't/won't use, but Danner's never let me down. The best issue stuff I ever got was a steel toed Rocky pair for flightline ops. They were okay. Altima, Belltown, Wolverine, Corcoran, (etc, etc, etc); they just don't wear or last like Danner.

nexlegio
10-07-2008, 08:02
Your life will be miserable if you don't get the right size boot. As those above me pointed out, take your time. Use what fits you best, not what they tell you works. On a side note wear your boots in asap, unless you want a lot of pain.

CPT_CRUNCH
10-15-2008, 09:58
yes, say no to the issue boots! go to clothing sales and try on a couple pairs from different companies. you'll may like some better than others. i prefer the oakley's myself. they are super comfy, like walking on a cloud. i've heard people say they dont last very long but i've been in this pair 3 months and no problems (but i also dont use them as field boots). we'll see how they last during the deployment.

CaliMoon2005- L
10-19-2008, 13:06
After you get to your first duty station, buy your self a tanker boot, or the Paratrooper boot.

Hack
10-24-2008, 00:24
If you are authorized to wear Danner, do so. I wear them for uniform use in DOJ component, and have not been sorry about it. I used to be in the Army and can tell you that for field use you need something that is going to hold up to the rigors of operations.

Biscuitsjam
10-24-2008, 08:46
After you get to your first duty station, buy your self a tanker boot, or the Paratrooper boot.Funny, but if you follow his advice, you'll waste your money and risk having your arse kicked.

Rakkasan
10-24-2008, 11:43
Funny, but if you follow his advice, you'll waste your money and risk having your arse kicked.

Very true, especially if you are going combat arms.

Hack
10-24-2008, 23:36
Very true, especially if you are going combat arms.

What if he was working on a flight line? Wouldn't jump boots be mandatory, as in something that wouldn't pick up FOD? I am just curious, as it wasn't an issue where I was last at.

CaliMoon2005- L
10-25-2008, 00:34
Funny, but if you follow his advice, you'll waste your money and risk having your arse kicked.

What is so amusing to you? All of the unit I have been assign to allow jump and tank boot.

Rakkasan
10-25-2008, 06:58
You can wear any boot YOU would like. We were "allowed" to wear jump boots if we wanted to. You would probably be the only one wearing them since every one else in our brigade wore jungles or regular combat boots. Of course we had to wear jump boots in our class A uniform due to tradition of the 101st, but that was it.

Anyone in our brigade that would wear jump boots in BDUs would get ridiculed, that's just the way it was. Believe me, I've seen many people that have worn jump boots religiously at Ft. Campbell, but they weren't infantry. We weren't paratroopers, and we didn't pretend to be them.

SASSGlock2
10-25-2008, 07:16
Fascinating tales of all the luxuries and care taken to ensure proper boot fit in basic training. When I was at Parris Island in 86, we were issued two pair of the old style combat boots (they started issuing the speed lacers to recruits who came in a month or so after we did, but I always loved the old style - still have one pair from DRMO). We alternated between the pairs each day. There was red paint on the arch of the sole to keep them in the right rotation - everyone wore red dots, or everyone wore non-red dots. I wore 10.5, my bunkie wore 9. He got recycled out to pork chop platoon. The next day was a forced march out to the rifle range, about 9-10 miles IIRC. Guess who accidentally took one of my boots and left one of his? You guessed it! I made that march with one boot correct, and one boot a size and a half too small. DIs would not let me track him down to switch boots because I was the dumb ***** who let himtake one of mine. I went the remainder of boot camp with that boot. A week or two before graduation when we had to send our boots to the cobbler to get resoled - yep, I had to get that damned 9 resoled too.

Biscuitsjam
10-25-2008, 08:17
What is so amusing to you? All of the unit I have been assign to allow jump and tank boot.Tanker Boots are authorized per regulation ONLY if your command approves of them. Most commands will only approve them if you are a tank crewmember and gunnery-qualified. A few units will also authorized them for mech crewmembers of other vehicles, but that isn't universal. If you're just a regular joe and try to wear tanker boots, things will go badly for you.

I don't know all the traditions surrounding jump boots, but generally-speaking, it's probably a bad idea unless you're airborne qualified or a part of a unit with an airborne tradition.

Hack
10-25-2008, 11:27
Tanker Boots are authorized per regulation ONLY if your command approves of them. Most commands will only approve them if you are a tank crewmember and gunnery-qualified. A few units will also authorized them for mech crewmembers of other vehicles, but that isn't universal. If you're just a regular joe and try to wear tanker boots, things will go badly for you.

I don't know all the traditions surrounding jump boots, but generally-speaking, it's probably a bad idea unless you're airborne qualified or a part of a unit with an airborne tradition.

Given I had drill SGTS who were not airborne qualified wearing jump boots, (some were, others were not), no big deal when it was time for AIT. At the time I was in, and where I was in, whatever was according to supply regs, we were allowed to wear, including jump boots.

CaliMoon2005- L
10-25-2008, 20:35
I don't know why everyone is making a big deal of jump boot and tanker boot, but frankly Jungle boot is every comfortable boot to have!

eisman
11-09-2008, 06:50
What if he was working on a flight line?
Flight line OPS specify steel toes.

Jungle boots, Jump boots, tanker boots...

That's old guys who've lost touch with reality. Nobody wears black boots anymore.

Training Junkie
12-03-2008, 15:26
When I went thru basic and AIT a couple of years ago, we weren't allowed to wear any boot except the issue boot. Make sure you get some that fit and don't let the CIF people chase you away until you get some that fit. Once you get to your first unit, you can buy whatever is authorized by your command.

Danner, Bates, Oakleys are some of the best. It just depends on how much you want to spend and if the boots fit you.

If you're not airborne, stay away from them or you'll catch h*ll from any airborne types around. We don't even wear them except with Class A's.

mkmckinley
12-20-2008, 23:55
At basic training you'll get a chance to try on whatever boots they're issuing. It's kind of a cattle call so they'll try to rush you but don't accept boots that don't fit. I even went back a day later and got a size smaller. You'll see a lot of people with boots that are too large after sizing on that stupid machine. You want about half an inch, or a thumbnail, between the toe of your boot and your toe. The toe caps are kinda stiff so you have to really push down to make sure you have it right.

You won't get a chance or be allowed to buy aftermarket boots. Your new boots are not going to be broken in and they're going to tear you feet up at first. Your best bet is preventive maintenance.

I used to lace them up tight on the first few eyelets, tie a square knot, then lace them up looser the rest of the way. Also, make sure to get a deodorant with antiperspirant in it. You can rub that on your feet to cut down on sweating which causes blisters. You've got some time to prepare so research medial tibial stress syndrome and how to treat and prevent it. You basically want to strengthen your shin muscles and make sure your calves are flexible. For that matter make sure your legs are flexible overall.

Bren
12-23-2008, 09:20
I am a 12, 12 1/2, or 13 depending on which company the boots are manufactured by and I was wondering if I would be allowed to try on different sizes or am I going to be asked my size and given the boots I will be wearing period? I don't want to be stuck wearing boots that are going to rip up my feet the entire time I'm in training.


best I recall, they don't ask your size, they measure your feet and tell you your size.

8-Ball
12-26-2008, 17:01
When I went through they asked me what size, I told them, I tried them on and they asked if they felt like they fit. IIRC, I got Wellco winters and summers. There was absolutely no way in hell we were able to get any other boots other than what we were issued.

When I got to AIT we were able to get anything that looked like our issue boots. Danners, belleville, etc. but absolutely no ripple soles, tankers, or side zips.

Biscuitsjam
12-26-2008, 18:41
When I went through they asked me what size, I told them, I tried them on and they asked if they felt like they fit. IIRC, I got Wellco winters and summers. There was absolutely no way in hell we were able to get any other boots other than what we were issued.

When I got to AIT we were able to get anything that looked like our issue boots. Danners, belleville, etc. but absolutely no ripple soles, tankers, or side zips.At BASIC training, they handed us either Belleville or Bates. If the boots didn't fit, they'd ask if they were too big or too small, then hand us a different pair of either Belleville or Bates. I tried on two pairs of Belleville that didn't fit before they handed me some Bates that did.

We went through a similar process for our mobilization at Fort Stewart. At RFI, they asked our size and then gave us a pair of Belleville, McRae, or Altama. If it didn't fit, they handed us something else. I ened up with Belleville winter boots. We were supposed to get two pairs of summer boots, but they only had one pair of Altamas in my size. I accepted the Altamas, then got a pair of McRae boots that didn't fit so I could sell them.

SnowboundinNH
01-06-2009, 18:49
Army regs stipulate boots with laces (unless they've changed, I've been out since 94).

Tanker boots have leather straps/buckles instead of laces so the laces won't get caught on everything in the tank, so it depends on what your unit will tolerate. The tankers in our unit could wear them in the field but not in garrison. The Scouts wouldn't wear them because we needed more ankle support, we were dismounted most of the time humping rucks.

Jump boots typically have smoother soles and don't give you the traction you need in the field, so were more for garrison use. I found when I was in a non-airborne unit that nobody really cared if you wore them, but when I went to an airborne unit it was considered disrespectful to wear them if you weren't airborne, not out of "snobbery", but out of respect for the paratroopers who pioneered American Airborne operations in WWII. The modern day combat boot was originally developed for airborne units because they needed more ankle support, up till then soldiers wore shoes or low ankle boots. Everybody wears the full boot now, so airborne units retained the cap across the toe out of tradition, and we only wore them with our dress greens.

Bren
01-06-2009, 19:19
Everybody wears the full boot now, so airborne units retained the cap across the toe out of tradition, and we only wore them with our dress greens.

Never heard that, prior to the tan boots. I was in the 82d in the 80's and there, and pretty much everywhere else in the Army, jump boots were standard every day boots. I guess it must have changed with the new boot models they were issuing in the late 80's and so forth. in 83-86, most people quit wearing issued boots after basic, other than in the field, so they were called "'cruit boots."

SnowboundinNH
01-08-2009, 10:11
Never heard that, prior to the tan boots. I was in the 82d in the 80's and there, and pretty much everywhere else in the Army, jump boots were standard every day boots. I guess it must have changed with the new boot models they were issuing in the late 80's and so forth. in 83-86, most people quit wearing issued boots after basic, other than in the field, so they were called "'cruit boots."

When I was in Germany everybody wore a good mix of jungle boots, jump boots, Danner's, the good old leather 'cruit boots (pre-87) and the pigskin speedlace boots.

When I came back to 1/509 Inf (independent airborne battalion, not part of 82nd), we were all issued jungle boots, so most wore them or jump boots. I had 3 pairs jump boots but none gave me the traction I liked in the field, personal preference I guess. The leather boots issued up till about 1987 had soft rubber soles and gave great traction, were excellent field boots. I didn't like the soles on the speedlace boots issued after that at all. The pigskin was durable, but the design of the sole made them horrible in any slick conditions. My preference was jungle boots with the steel shank pulled out. They had great traction and without the shank gave a better feel for the ground, made it easier to move quietly and very comfortable. As I said, personal preference, I could have had the jump boots resoled with softer rubber, but kept them for garrison and dress greens instead.

I mentioned the cap across the toe in regards to airborne units because up through the middle of WWII many combat units still wore low boots that only went up to the anke, that's why they wore the leggings. The full size boot we wear today was designed to give the new paratroopers more ankle support for airborne landings, were red leather, and had the cap across the toe. As the military started issuing the full boot to other units during the war, they phased out the cap so over time those boots were associated with airborne troops, hence the name "jump boot". Not an incredibly important piece of information, but it stuck in my head when I read it because I always assumed our troops always wore boots. My grandfather was in the Army in WWII, they were told they were being shipped to Europe and issued a full set of winter gear. Once they got out to sea were told to through it all overboard and were issued jungle gear and full size combat boots, it was the first time he'd seen them. They were told Europe for security reasons, but were actually going to the Phillipines.

srob7001
01-08-2009, 13:50
The boots you get in basic are what they are. Initial issue. Once you get to your unit they they don't care what kind you wear.

At my unit (3rd ID) we had guys with initial issue boots, jungle boots, "jump boots" and no one cared.

I personally prefer the jungle boots if you are in a hot area. They breath and there is a metal plate in the sole so you don't puncture your foot on anything in the jungle.

bennwj
01-09-2009, 19:25
yes, say no to the issue boots! go to clothing sales and try on a couple pairs from different companies. you'll may like some better than others. i prefer the oakley's myself. they are super comfy, like walking on a cloud. i've heard people say they dont last very long but i've been in this pair 3 months and no problems (but i also dont use them as field boots). we'll see how they last during the deployment.

If you are going to Iraq the Oakley boots should be fine. In Afghanistan the rocks will wear the soles off them quick, fast and in a hurry.

Belleville are he best lasting boots (both the summer and temperate versions) you can get for your money.

bennwj
01-09-2009, 19:26
The boots you get in basic are what they are. Initial issue. Once you get to your unit they they don't care what kind you wear.

At my unit (3rd ID) we had guys with initial issue boots, jungle boots, "jump boots" and no one cared.

I personally prefer the jungle boots if you are in a hot area. They breath and there is a metal plate in the sole so you don't puncture your foot on anything in the jungle.

Except there are no more "jungle bots". You get hot weather and temperate issued. There is no longer a metal insole in the boot.

srob7001
01-14-2009, 13:53
Except there are no more "jungle bots". You get hot weather and temperate issued. There is no longer a metal insole in the boot.

Yea, I'm not talking about issued boots. I'm talking about the "jungle boots" you can buy at the local army surplus near base.

I got everything there. Better price and better quality than issued equipment. In most cases anyways.