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08-02-2002, 11:06
I was comparing the two different rounds and there seems to be a big difference. However it seems a marlin 30-30 is inexpensive and that makes it some what attractive. I am looking for mostly a deer rifle, but one that if needed could be used for something larger. Thanks for the help.

Kilgor
08-02-2002, 12:01
30-30

110 gr @ 2,500 fps
125 gr @ 2,500 fps
130 gr @ 2,400 fps
150 gr @ 2,300 fps
170 gr @ 2,100 fps

30-06

110 gr @ 3,300 fps
125 gr @ 3,200 fps
130 gr @ 3,150 fps
150 gr @ 3,050 fps
155 gr @ 3,000 fps
165 gr @ 2,800 fps
168 gr @ 2,800 fps
180 gr @ 2,700 fps
190 gr @ 2,600 fps
200 gr @ 2,550 fps
220 gr @ 2,400 fps
250 gr @ 2,200 fps

If you don't reload you will pretty much only find these weights factory loaded:

30-30

150 gr @ 2,300 fps
170 gr @ 2,100 fps

30-06

150 gr @ 3,050 fps
165 gr @ 2,800 fps
168 gr @ 2,800 fps
180 gr @ 2,700 fps
200 gr @ 2,550 fps
220 gr @ 2,400 fps

These are approximate velocities which depend on a lot of factors like: barrel length, temperature, bore size, etc.

The 30-30 is a good round for shots on <250 lbs whitetail deer and smaller creatures within 150 yards.

Cost for a decent 30-30 lever action $250 or so.

The 30-06 is a good round for all creatures in the United States (with proper bullet selection) with the exception of the large bears (>1,000 lbs).

Cost for a decent 30-06 bolt action $450 and up. Of course there are semiauto's, pumps, single shots, and lever actions also available in 30-06.

Hope this all helps.

Kilgor

45acp4me
08-02-2002, 12:46
Originally posted by JUSTACOP
I was comparing the two different rounds and there seems to be a big difference. However it seems a marlin 30-30 is inexpensive and that makes it some what attractive. I am looking for mostly a deer rifle, but one that if needed could be used for something larger. Thanks for the help.

If your longest shot will be less than 150 yards then the 30-30 fits the bill. If you ever forsee shooting beyond 150 yards then try a 30.06 or .308.

Cheers!
Glen

ithaca_deerslayer
08-02-2002, 13:44
Kilgor, good job on the balistics. Those numbers mean the 30-06 keeps going straight long after the 30-30 has become a sinker. And at any given distance, the 30-06 packs a lot more punch. And the 30-06 has many more factory loadings available.

With the guns, the 30-30 in lever is nice quick-shot package for what it does. The 30-06 in bolt is usually a more accurate and longer range package. The 30-06 in a semi-auto Garand M1 is cool.

Pointy 30-06 bullets wouldn't work well in a tube fed lever action. But there are some in magazine fed levers.

Conrad
08-02-2002, 16:07
What area will you be in ? Here in Fla you would probably be ok with either. If I were only going to get one, I would get the .06. I know many people who use the 30-30 in either the MArlin or the Winchester. There are a fair amount of 06's used and in the papers for what you can ge a 336 for, then there are a lo of 30-30's out there. Both are fine choices. Best of luck, let us know

TScottW99
08-03-2002, 03:40
Pointy 30-06 bullets wouldn't work well in a tube fed lever action

no "pointy" bullets will work in a tublar magazine! Talk about a Ka-Boom. The recoil on the rifle, any rifle, will cause the "pointy" bullet to hit the primer in front of it which could lead to a discharge. OUCH ;g I have shot "pointy" bullets in lever actions but only in a single shot mode in that opening the chamber and loading one round, firing, then repeating.

Sharker
08-03-2002, 07:40
There is an old saying that more deer have been killed with the 30-30 than any other round. This is true, but is due more to the fact that way back when there were not the assortment of rounds we now have. The 30-06 will likely be the new champ in a few years. The good thing about a 30-30 is they are easy to find, cheap, and easy to use. If you do get a lever gun, and want to get a scope for it, make sure you get a side ejection port, else you have to mount the scope funny or get a scope mount that swivels. Personally the beauty of a lever is the ease of use which IMHO the scope complicates. Any way forget about long distances w the 30-30. It is being stretched at 150 yards. Good luck.

duncan
08-05-2002, 14:16
30-06 has a lot more reloading enthusiasts.

That speaks volumes.

Big_Jim
08-11-2002, 07:33
Get the 3006. The 30-30 is an OK little gun, I have one and have killed a few critters with it but if you are only going to get one, make it th3006. Right now Bass Pro Shops has a sale and you can get a Remington 710 bolt action rifle with scope for $299 or a Mod 700 for $349. Savage has Model 110, 111 packages for $379 and $399. BTW if you don't mind a shotgun for deer hunting, there are good guns on sale too. Mossberg Slugster $249, Winchester Black shadow $239 (I have this one) and the Remington 870 express deer for $259.

So don't let the cost keep you away from the deer rifle or shotgun that you really want.

08-11-2002, 09:01
I have heard some bad things about the REM 710. Does any one own one that could advise?

Kilgor
08-11-2002, 09:34
The only experience I have with the 710 is holding one in a shop and cycling the action. I don't like it. I'd suggest the Remington 700, Winchester 70, Ruger 77, Weatherby Vanguard, Browning A-bolt, Savage 110, etc.

Fox
08-13-2002, 00:14
What kind of terrain are you hunting?

Wide open spaces? Go with a scoped .30-06 rifle

Forest/brush country? Go with a .30-30 lever rifle and avoid the scopes.



The .30-30 will be fine for black bear and elk when shots are reasonably close.

figment
08-13-2002, 13:57
I have always disliked the 30-30 round. However, only because "someone" like my Dad or Grand Dad said they were terribly inaccurate. Seems like they have a lot of trajectory anyway. A lot of comemoratives are only available in 30-30:(

I love the 30-06 with smaller bullet weights for deer.

3MartiniLunch
08-14-2002, 12:01
why limit yourself to those two?
have you also considered .270, .308 bolt actions (or .243), or even a .44mag lever gun? Any of these should destroy less meat than the '06. The 30-06 is a good round, but much of its popularity is due to its function as a US military cartridge, and subsequent sale of cheap surplus rifles. There are better choices for deer. For the elk, moose, + deer combo though the '06 is hard to argue against.
150 grain soft points are available in .270 for pump guns...maybe a 180 grain soft point is avaiable in .30-06. Can't imagine a pump or auto being worth it though...they're about as heavy, similar in price (?), and less accurate than a bolt, but don't handle as fast as a lever gun.
are you on a budget? or did you just consider the 30-30 as a great deal on a roughly equivalent meat getter?
if budget and living in the east, I'd recommend a .30-30
if no budget and living in the rockies, go with an '06, .270, .308, or 7mm Rem Mag. in a light bolt action (mountain rifle), and put a good scope on it.
if no budget and in the east, buy either or both, but consider smaller calibers for the bolt gun.
should be able to pickup a USED .30-30 for around $150 if you look.

08-18-2002, 16:14
Hey thanks guys, the imput is really appreciated. Well I am on a budget,:(, and I will be hunting in the Norhtern VA, and central VA area, mostly mountains. A 30-30 sure is affordable, especially a slightly used one.

silenthunter
08-25-2002, 22:03
The 30-30 will do just fine in those areas.

rfb45colt
08-25-2002, 22:47
JUSTACOP, if you opt for the .30-30... and you don't want a scope... I suggest you get a receiver (aperture or "peep") sight. Williams makes a very good one, that you should be able to get for under $50. WAAAAAAYYY better than the standard buckhorn type rear sight, and darn near indestructable. I hunted with a Marlin lever gun (in .35 Remington) for over 20 years, with a Williams FP (stands for "Fool-Proof") peep sight. I've dropped that gun in the snow, on hard frozen ground, it's been bounced around (in a case of course) in the back of a 4x4 going down some pretty rough roads... and in 20 years, I've never once had to adjust or mess with that sight in any way. Most scopes would've been toast. Williams also makes a front sight replacement, called a "Fire-Sight" (about $15). It's a fiber-optic type bead, that's great in low light or bright sunshine. Makes a good combo with the FP peep sight. I have that same combo on my Rem 742 carbine in .308 also.

BTW... the same model # FP sight fits both the Winchester 94 and the Marlin 336. All you need to install one (your gun should be already drilled and tapped) is some screwdrivers.

true believer
08-29-2002, 17:25
i think they are both great guns...when i hunt from my tree stand, it's pretty clear, no brush or trees i use the 3006...when i stalk, walking the woods i use the 3030..i love them both...
bob

vart
09-02-2002, 00:27
I would suggest a Ruger 77 All-Weather-Rifle in .30-06. I bought mine new last year for $379, added a sling, a used scope, blacked out the stainless and did my own camo job. It is amazingly accurate, lightweight, impervious to nasty weather, and disappears in the woods.
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Fox
09-02-2002, 18:50
The .30-30 is all the gun you will need considering the region that you are hunting.