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Eric
10-26-2008, 16:31
Hi folks. JR, from Lone Wolf Distributing, contacted me recently about a new series of Glock polymer receivers they are producing. He asked if we would like to have this new product announced here on GT first. This is the first big product release ever announced first on our site and I am excited about this product. I can't wait to get my hands on one.

At any rate, there isn't much info available on the receiver yet, but JR sent me a screen capture of a catalog page on the receiver that will be released soon. Here it is:


http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=159638&stc=1&d=1225060239

To make the picture bigger, click on the image and then click on the '+' symbol, in the upper left corner of the viewing window, to enlarge it. EP

Here is the text deswcription, from the catalog page:

Based on decades of experience with Glock pistols and feedback from thousands of shooters, Lone Wolf Distributors proudly presents the first of the Wolf Pack Series of custom replacement Glock polymer frames. Rather than "tweaking" the factory Glock frame, Lone Wolf R&D began with the human hand, designing Wolf Pack frames for maximum ergonomic efficiency, speed and certainty in handling and enhancement of instinctive pointing characteristics. Whether employed as a replacement frame of an existing Glock, or used as a superb chassis for building a totally custom pistol, from Lone Wolf Distributors' quality parts and accessories, this frame creates a vastly improved mating between the shooter and the handgun.

Feather-light and tank-tough, it offers the smallest grip circumference possible - not just for small hands, but for all hands - sculpted to encourage a fast, high grip, with an extended beavertail to eliminate 'slide bite'. The round, improved magazine release speeds ejection, while the flared and beveled mag well aids in rapid reloads. Two interchangeable back straps offer either a flatter 1911-style grip, or a palm swell, and refined finger grooves allow subtle adjustment of grip alignment. Posi-trac checkering grip alignment front and rear make for a solid grasp under wet conditions and rapid-fire recoil. The rounded trigger guard smoothes reholstering. Finally, a protected slide stop prevents accidental engagement, and the multi-spec rail system allows a mounting of either Picatinny or Weaver accessories.

Refined, rugged, and ready for the most imaginative and demanding shooters, the Wolf Pack series matches up with Glock models 17, 17L, 22, 24, 31, 34 35. Contact Lone Wolf today and let your imagination run wolf-wild!

OhioLibertarian
10-26-2008, 16:40
very cool! Im excited to see one in person!

G-30Jet
10-26-2008, 16:44
Wow, that is exciting! They look great. Congrats to lone Wolf. It looks like a whole new generation of pistols could be the result.

G33
10-26-2008, 16:44
Way to go JR!
:supergrin::supergrin:



Hi to Mary and Dan.

jlday70
10-26-2008, 16:49
Oh wow I see potential here...Very nice..

revel8
10-26-2008, 16:55
so you use all your glock internals and place it into this receiver ? has a price been announced yet? very exciting!

revel8
10-26-2008, 16:56
they should make one for the glock 19

JoshuaC
10-26-2008, 16:58
Not for me but looks like an awesome product.

APD
10-26-2008, 16:59
It looks like a good product but I would prefer it in .45 acp, I have no probs with the G17/22 frame.

revel8
10-26-2008, 17:01
theres some on the site, but its not that one, it looks like a standard glock receiver thats been modified, i guess its not on the site yet.

KenBGlock19
10-26-2008, 17:03
Will it accept current GLOCK magazines? I assume so, but doesn't hurt to ask...

Eric
10-26-2008, 17:04
JR said that the new receivers will launch after the SHOT Show. They will be busy until then, getting ready for SAR in Phoenix and for the SHOT Show.

I cropped the receiver off of the catalog page. Here it is:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=159640&stc=1&d=1225062280

tbhracing
10-26-2008, 17:06
I have to say I am slightly dissapointed. Why? They should have offered the model with or without finger grooves.

QNman
10-26-2008, 17:09
Cool! I didn't see what frame it was - if it will fit 21's, I'm in.

RacingGLOCK35
10-26-2008, 17:13
hows about gen 1 style, stippled grip, like the SJC stippling and SF the g17 original size....

dsmw5142
10-26-2008, 17:30
COOL!! Would love to see one in person. Why the weird bump on the backstrap I wonder?

troy96
10-26-2008, 17:37
COOL!! Would love to see one in person. Why the weird bump on the backstrap I wonder?


Probably for the laser.

Tinamil
10-26-2008, 17:44
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/images/products/LWD-FSFRAMEGR.jpg

Lone Wolf custom full size Glock frames

These are current production 3 pin Finger Grip and Rail frames that are common with all G17,17L,22,24,31,34,35 pistols. The frame includes all internal parts common for G22,24,35 40 S&W or G31 357 Sig. If you plan to use the frame as a 9mm (17,17L,34) you will need a 9mm trigger housing. Includes the following: magazine loader, cleaning rod & brush, Glock factory box and trigger lock. The frame has a custom Lone Wolf grip reduction including back strap removal, finger grip removal, extended beaver tail, round magazine release and rounded trigger guard. A $400 value!

Must ship to a FFL. Limited quantity. Not a regular stocking item. Call Ian at 208-437-0612 ext 101 for more details

Sell at $299.95


Call JR at 208-437-0612 ext 102 for more information. Custom LWD round mag release also available upon request add $30


Copied from lonewolfdist.com

ETA: I'm don't think it's the exact same thing as the original post, but it does give you some ideas about what it will cost.

02LimitedX
10-26-2008, 17:45
COOL!! Would love to see one in person. Why the weird bump on the backstrap I wonder?

Wonder if thats for the laser?

Eric
10-26-2008, 17:51
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/images/products/LWD-FSFRAMEGR.jpg

Lone Wolf custom full size Glock frames

These are current production 3 pin Finger Grip and Rail frames that are common with all G17,17L,22,24,31,34,35 pistols. The frame includes all internal parts common for G22,24,35 40 S&W or G31 357 Sig. If you plan to use the frame as a 9mm (17,17L,34) you will need a 9mm trigger housing. Includes the following: magazine loader, cleaning rod & brush, Glock factory box and trigger lock. The frame has a custom Lone Wolf grip reduction including back strap removal, finger grip removal, extended beaver tail, round magazine release and rounded trigger guard. A $400 value!

Must ship to a FFL. Limited quantity. Not a regular stocking item. Call Ian at 208-437-0612 ext 101 for more details

Sell at $299.95


Call JR at 208-437-0612 ext 102 for more information. Custom LWD round mag release also available upon request add $30


Copied from lonewolfdist.com

ETA: I'm don't think it's the exact same thing as the original post, but it does give you some ideas about what it will cost.


This is a completely different animal. What you showed is a Glock frame with custom work performed on it. This new receiver was designed, from the ground up, by Lone Wolf and it is a completely new, proprietary receiver. Lone Wolf has started rolling their own.

There is very little information available for this product yet and I wouldn't presume to speak LWD concerning this product, but I am sure that more information will be forthcoming shortly. Eric

bno762
10-26-2008, 17:55
thats pretty cool. I could use a new frame for my 2nd gen g22.

APD
10-26-2008, 17:57
Hijacking a bit, how did those metal frames do in sales (GCF or GFC)?

I have not seen 1 firsthand but did they sell enough to make any money off of them?

Jake44460
10-26-2008, 18:00
Looking forward to see if they'll make various frame sizes eventually.

Kentak
10-26-2008, 18:06
Can we assume it has an internal steel skeleton integral with steel slide rails similar to OEM frames? Pricing?

K

Cross-X
10-26-2008, 18:07
Nice frame, but, sadly, not legal for competition in IDPA.

happyguy
10-26-2008, 18:07
How much?

Regards,
Happyguy :)

SouthpawShootr
10-26-2008, 18:11
I'll get excited about it when I have one in my hand.

This considering that one vendor is already attempting this in alloy and stainless - and meeting with mixed (at best) results - and that lots of stuff in this industry gets announced then 2 years down the line somebody tucks their tails between their legs and says "sorry" (Kimber anybody?).

Bullman
10-26-2008, 18:12
I wonder if they will make one for the 20 and 21, that is where grip reduction really shines.

revel8
10-26-2008, 18:12
I'll get excited about it when I have one in my hand.

This considering that one vendor is already attempting this in alloy and stainless - and meeting with mixed (at best) results - and that lots of stuff in this industry gets announced then 2 years down the line somebody tucks their tails between their legs and says "sorry" (Kimber anybody?).
what did kimber do that you are referring to if you dont mind me asking


also, standard magazines , single or double stack ?

Chad Landry
10-26-2008, 18:14
It looks like someone may be on the way to perfecting "Perfection". ;)

:thumbsup:

APD
10-26-2008, 18:17
How much?

Regards,
Happyguy :)

$299 I think.


I wonder if they will make one for the 20 and 21, that is where grip reduction really shines.

Heck yeah. The smaller frame gives me no probs but I bet many folks would love a slimmer 20 or 21 (waaaay slimmer than the SF).

SouthpawShootr
10-26-2008, 18:33
what did kimber do that you are referring to if you dont mind me asking................?


Kimber KDP. Their entry into the overcrowded plastic fantastic category. Advertised it for 2 years. Then all of the sudden they shelved it. Said they were not going to produce it. That's just the lastest example.

Another one: Taurus, when they first introduced the PT1911, said in their ads for quite some time that models in 9mm and .40 were forthcoming. Then all mention of other calibers ceased appearing in their ads. We won't even mention commander sized guns.

I can probably think of more.

Now, don't get me wrong, if LWD makes one, I'll probably take a hard look at it. I can practically guarantee I'll buy if the frame is available in the G19 sized frame.

cmspeedy
10-26-2008, 18:49
Why? This seems like an answer to a question nobody asked.

Glock frames only last about 500,000 rounds. Thats only several hundred thousand dollars worth of ammo. I guess some people just have to blow money on something.

VZ1600
10-26-2008, 18:57
What's with the small protruding "bump" at the top of the backstrap? Just curious.

jack76590
10-26-2008, 19:04
Do it yourself grip reductions without fear.

If it works, great.

If you mess up, you wanted to buy optional frame anyhow.

DriBak
10-26-2008, 19:56
It looks ugly to me, I smell a lawsuit and predict that production will be limited. Anyone else remember "New Coke":upeyes: But that's just my .02
It is very neat that this site was chosen to debut the frame. That is what is so great about this Country :)

jtmac
10-26-2008, 20:19
That looks beautiful. As much of a fan of Glocks as I am, I don't shoot them. The ergonomics are all wrong for me. That, though... THAT looks like it'll work!

Do want!

Dean
10-26-2008, 20:22
That's nice. That's real fine engineering.
I'll keep an eye on it over the years and see how it goes.
For now my Austrian stuff works, and I've already got a good laser sight mounted on and fully seperate from the working of my sidearm.
No sale. But I'm watching with interest. :drillsgt:

smoke
10-26-2008, 20:32
Why the hell would they put finger-grooves on it? Got no use for a BT grip either.

smoke
10-26-2008, 20:34
What's with the small protruding "bump" at the top of the backstrap? Just curious.

I think it's the activation "button" for the optional laser???????????????

RMTactical
10-26-2008, 20:35
This might do well! :)

srhoades
10-26-2008, 20:38
Excsue my ignorance but isn't the receiver considered the actual firearm and require an FFL transfer? Does that not apply to after market? And what about states with Nazi guns laws like CA and MA, is this legal?

scratchy wilson
10-26-2008, 20:40
Beginning to crave....

recon
10-26-2008, 21:17
Looks intersting. $299! Ouch!

AgentM79
10-26-2008, 21:18
I'd love to try it out, but hope that LWD heeds the sentiment of several posters here who would prefer a frame without the damned finger grooves. With the advent of the factory "SF" models, the opportunity for LWD to innovate would have to entail combining the accessory rail with a Gen-1 style grip frame. Interchangeable backstraps would be good, too, since that is an oft-requested feature.

Variety is not a bad thing here.

smoke
10-26-2008, 21:22
Looks intersting. $299! Ouch!

Unless they get it to <$100, its' gonna flop. I can get a lot of frame mods done by some very good smiths for $300.

Agent6-3/8
10-26-2008, 21:27
Interesting! I'll be keeping my eyes on this.


Being the type of guy that like unique stuff, I can see myself putting together a custom .357 Sig in the future. :cool:

Eric
10-26-2008, 21:30
As far as I know, no price has been announced yet. Please keep in mind that everything posted here, with the exception of the catalog page info I posted, is speculation at this point. I'm sure more info will be coming soon. Eric

shotgunred
10-26-2008, 21:57
i would like to replace the frame on my 23 as i have abused it for years and took a sander to it, but...

i hope the $300 price point is a mistake. for $80 bucks more i can get a whole new glock with 3 mags. with current mag prices that is within 20 to 40 bucks of the blue label price.

TBO
10-26-2008, 22:25
Thanks for the heads up :thumbsup:

NY Glock
10-26-2008, 23:19
It would be interesting if it included the Glock internals.

Morris
10-26-2008, 23:34
One would hope, that with the positive working relationship JR has had with Glock, that this frame won't cause issues.

And yet another vote for no finger grooves. One thing that keeps me by Sigs.

tbhracing
10-26-2008, 23:39
Probably for the laser.

When you say "laser", you need to make the finger quotes with your fingers.

Chuck TX
10-27-2008, 01:09
Looks cool, but I'd rather see a frame for the 20/21. I'd like a second (and different) receiver for my G20 Longslide.

Minskin85
10-27-2008, 02:11
lone wolf is cool. this is cool:thumbsup:

G22owner
10-27-2008, 03:23
A compact model would definitely be nice. CCFRaceframes had listed on their site for a while that they were planning a 19/23 frame earlier this year, but it disappeared. Price is going to be a big factor for me. For $319, I can have the aluminum or stainless receiver from CCF, so $299 would be too steep for an aftermarket polymer one, IMO. Definitely something to keep an eye on though, since the $299 is just speculation.

Beware Owner
10-27-2008, 03:25
If they only had one for use with the 30 and/or 23/32.

mnglocker
10-27-2008, 03:45
I'm drooling at a 24 offering... :drool: I may have to do a full race gun if the pricing is right...

BuckyP
10-27-2008, 05:15
Looks intersting. $299! Ouch!

I wonder if that price includes the laser?

Blitzer
10-27-2008, 05:56
Some folks would complain if you hung them with a new rope! :whistling: :dunno: :upeyes:

fredobbs
10-27-2008, 06:15
wht is the button on the back of the grip?

APD
10-27-2008, 07:14
A compact model would definitely be nice. CCFRaceframes had listed on their site for a while that they were planning a 19/23 frame earlier this year, but it disappeared. Price is going to be a big factor for me. For $319, I can have the aluminum or stainless receiver from CCF, so $299 would be too steep for an aftermarket polymer one, IMO. Definitely something to keep an eye on though, since the $299 is just speculation.

I was not speculating when I quoted it, I simply read it off of the Lone Wolf website.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/

happyguy
10-27-2008, 07:26
I was not speculating when I quoted it, I simply read it off of the Lone Wolf website.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/

That is not the same frame. That is a modified original Glock frame.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

APD
10-27-2008, 07:34
That is not the same frame. That is a modified original Glock frame.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

Oops, I stand corrected. Sorry for the mistake.:whistling:

SW342
10-27-2008, 08:01
Very nice.....would like to see it produced in the 45ACP frame also

Atomic Punk
10-27-2008, 08:34
wonder how thisworks out legally. with the serial number and all that in the reciever.

APD
10-27-2008, 08:37
wonder how thisworks out legally. with the serial number and all that in the reciever.


Most likely like a lower on an AR which is also serial numbered, they would treat it as a firearm itself.:dunno:

Glockwork Orange
10-27-2008, 08:56
Isn't the Glock frame considered the actual firearm? How will this new frame work as far as serial numbers? Or will it not have one? What will the legal ramifications be in a self defense shooting?

smoke
10-27-2008, 09:15
Isn't the Glock frame considered the actual firearm? How will this new frame work as far as serial numbers? Or will it not have one? What will the legal ramifications be in a self defense shooting?

Yes, and the new frame will have an SN, just like CCR frames do now. You will have to buy it through an FFL just like buying a new gun. I don't think I'd want one for carry purposes. Better to just mod your current frame.

Renny
10-27-2008, 09:20
I'd love to try it out, but hope that LWD heeds the sentiment of several posters here who would prefer a frame without the damned finger grooves. With the advent of the factory "SF" models, the opportunity for LWD to innovate would have to entail combining the accessory rail with a Gen-1 style grip frame. Interchangeable backstraps would be good, too, since that is an oft-requested feature.

Variety is not a bad thing here.


Agreed. I searched far and wide, and paid premium prices, for 1st Gen G17's, becuase they are, hands down, my favorite. My only two hatreds of my favorite pistol are the damn finger grooves with don't fit my little bitty paws, and the damn "accessory rail" that catches on the lower lip of the Sport Combat holster, impeding a smooth draw.

When factory conflicts with factory, go to an earlier factory model which didn't.

If they offered this receiver with finger groove/no finger groove options, with accessory rail/plain dust cover options, we'd definitely talk.

I'd like to carry a cool custom Glock.

"What's that you're carrying, Renny? I thought you were a hardcore Glock man?"

"It's a custom Glock."

"Custom? Glock? It don't LOOK like a Glock."

"That's why it's custom. See?"

"Ooooohhh....where'd you get that?"

"Wouldn't YOU like to know?"


Isn't the Glock frame considered the actual firearm? How will this new frame work as far as serial numbers? Or will it not have one? What will the legal ramifications be in a self defense shooting?


The new frame will, by law, have a serial number. Hopefully LW will even allow (possibly??) custom serial numbers for a nominal fee? (Not speculating...hoping, and giving a hint for cooler customization AND more revenue for LW, which translates to more R&D and more cool STUFF!)

Since the receiver IS the firearm, and it HAS a serial number, and is transferred LEGALLY through an FFL as the firearm itself, the rest of the gun is just parts.

And parts is parts.

As far as a self-defense shooting, I'd say it'd be close to the equivalent of a self-defense shooting with a built-up-from-the-frame 1911 -- that is, it's a pistol, made to your custom spec, that is street legal. Whatever a prosecutor wants to do with that information is entirely up to him.

Me, I'm kinda enamored of the whole thing, except for the fact that this custom receiver STILL has the two things I hate most about the new Glocks, and wish there was some way to get a bit more customization for the "purists" who thought the original G17 was/is the best configuration for the Glock.

Heck, I'd even compromise and accept a Gen 2 type frame, with the stippling on the front and backstrap, as long as there were no finger grooves nor an accessory rail I'd never use.

But hey, that's just me.

R

smoke
10-27-2008, 09:22
Considering the current political situation, I'd say LWD is going way out on a limb. If a law is enacted that bans the manufacture of a handgun capable of accepting a mag of more than 10 rounds, a lot of companies are gonna be screwed.

Bullman
10-27-2008, 09:47
I don't know what everyone is wetting their pants over. No one says this about the thousands of Caspian and other 1911 frames that get sold every year, it is no big deal. I just might have to get me one of these and build me a Mech Tech to go along with my 22.

JR
10-27-2008, 10:00
The frame is not featured on our web site because the information is not officially released. We simply figured GT has been good to us over the years so we would "privately" release the information here before anybody else seen or heard of it. LWD will be attending the Tulsa OK gun show November 7-9. If you would like to see this new replacement frame first hand we will have a couple of the rapid prototypes at this show for your inspection.

The frames will fit the G17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37. The next production will be for the G20,21. The G19,23 are last on the list.

The replacement frame use all the standard Glock parts with the exception of the magazine release, which is the new oversized "round style".

The bump on the replaceable grip is a laser activation switch. The optional laser system is integral with the frame.

The target price of the frame is under $200. I am sure we will take huge steps to offer the initial run at further discounts to GT members.

The finger grips are the best we have ever seen, they fit both large & small hands alike.

The frame is considered the firearm. It has its own serial number. It must be transferred through a FFL.

Chad Landry
10-27-2008, 10:14
Thanks for the info JR.

Such a frame might just get me back into a Glock, especially once you release the G20/21 model.

Atomic Punk
10-27-2008, 10:46
hopefully if i have extra moneys next year i would be able to pick up one of those. been wanting a carbine kit to match my pistol and this would be a good way to get the frame without the rest of the pistol.

1999Cobra
10-27-2008, 11:33
No surprise here the Negative ninnies and Nah Sayer's - had / have to chime in with their usual senseless bantering - shame really... But we all expected it right? (Moderators, Admin, please note I'm NOT singling out any specific individuals, by name or otherwise)

Now onto the good part - not as many slammers as I figured first bell-

I think this edition is simply put: long overdue, I will be purchasing as soon as available. Thank you Lone Wolf et-all, for the excellent design and manufacture work toward making an already more than functional weapon system even better (aesthetically) ...

+1 :wavey::wow:

smoke
10-27-2008, 11:47
No surprise here the Negative ninnies and Nah Sayer's - had / have to chime in with their usual senseless bantering - shame really... But we all expected it right? (Moderators, Admin, please note I'm NOT singling out any specific individuals, by name or otherwise)

Now onto the good part - not as many slammers as I figured first bell-

I think this edition is simply put: long overdue, I will be purchasing as soon as available. Thank you Lone Wolf et-all, for the excellent design and manufacture work toward making an already more than functional weapon system even better (aesthetically) ...

+1 :wavey::wow:

Another kool-aid drinker. You mean to tell me you're gonna buy this sight-unseen? How do you know it's an excellent design?

To JR - I don't care if the finger-grooves fit both large and small hands. Leave them off and there will be no doubt!

mnglocker
10-27-2008, 11:53
JR,

Will you be tooling up to manufacture the long slide uppers? i.e. 17L & 24's?

SIGSAREBETTER
10-27-2008, 12:07
The day the G20 frame hits the market I will place my order.


So hurry!

JR
10-27-2008, 12:16
17,17L,24 & 34 slides are due to ship to us the last day of the month. Will most likely arrive about the time I return from the Tulsa show

oldnoob
10-27-2008, 13:00
This is awesome news.

Spike32
10-27-2008, 13:12
I'd be interested in a G21 frame...maybe I can finally handle the .45!

leadslinger13
10-27-2008, 13:28
very nice, although i am with the others about the finger grooves being left off. all in all looks like they made a good decision by filling a niche that glock has long ignored. I will have to see when the 20 frame comes out.

Oh yeah Jr please don't put the wolf logo on the frame try just "LWD" some place out of the way. I mean the frame advertises itself.

Thx-1138
10-27-2008, 13:58
The frames will fit the G17,17L,22,24,31,34,35.

But not the 37?

mnglocker
10-27-2008, 14:00
very nice, although i am with the others about the finger grooves being left off. all in all looks like they made a good decision by filling a niche that glock has long ignored. I will have to see when the 20 frame comes out.

Oh yeah Jr please don't put the wolf logo on the frame try just "LWD" some place out of the way. I mean the frame advertises itself.


Just like any other polymer frame you could sand the grooves off to fit your hand, it's a heck of alot harder for those who want grooves to add them though. The cool thing about this frame is the changable backstrap and intergrated laser that's available.

JR
10-27-2008, 14:26
I missed the 37, yes it will work here too. Added it to the list on page 8.

3rdgen40
10-27-2008, 14:40
I am going to build a custom LONE WOLF Glock ! The new frame with a LWD stainless slide !!! :dancingbanana:

schild
10-27-2008, 15:26
20/21 sounds exciting!

Jim Watson
10-27-2008, 16:16
A plastic Glock.
Who would have thought of that?

I don't see why it would not be allowable for IDPA ESP. There are plenty of 1911 CDPs and ESPs out there built on aftermarket frames, and nothing said against them.

troy96
10-27-2008, 16:18
I have a reason to own a G17 now. A complete LW build would be nice.

revel8
10-27-2008, 16:19
how is the laser going to be , placement wise ? im hoping up close to the bore

Jake44460
10-27-2008, 16:25
Is LW producing a laser for it as well. If so, I'd love to see it.

JR
10-27-2008, 16:38
I checked with IDPA and USPSA. The frame will qualify for ESP and Limited Class.

The laser diode is located on the frame high and to the rear. It is up and out of the way, completely adjustable for E&W.

Kentak
10-27-2008, 16:39
JR-

Does it have a steel skeleton embedded similar to Glock frame?

JR
10-27-2008, 16:45
Same as the original Glock

Jake44460
10-27-2008, 17:00
The laser diode is located on the frame high and to the rear. It is up and out of the way, completely adjustable for E&W.
Similar to the CTC grips?

TexasPOff
10-27-2008, 18:24
Impressive....seems they have taken most of what people are doing to thier glock frames and putting it into a production frame. I too would like to see the ability to have custom serial numbers used on the frames al'la(Caspian). I have my credit card in hand and will be awaiting the 23/19 sized frames as well. I personally like the backstrap, just getting rid of the hump is a big change for the better. Gaston are you listening and watching, LW is producing what you should have 3 years ago, the 4th gen frames. Good job JR and the rest of the gang. Looking forward to the new frames.

eddief4
10-27-2008, 18:29
I am going to build a custom LONE WOLF Glock ! The new frame with a LWD stainless slide !!! :dancingbanana:

HECK YA!!!


i'm already planning on a new G20L slide:supergrin:


i would like NOTHING better than to build my own Glock using LWs AWESOME parts!!!:banana:






EDIT:
JR,

you guys :rock:
keep up the Great work guys:wavey:

Golddog
10-27-2008, 18:47
A lot of crabbing about an interesting product even before anybody's actually seen or held it. Evidently this will succeed the crabbing about the alleged deficiencies in Glock's original frames.

And put me down for somebody who is quite happy with finger grooves. On Glocks, they fit me perfectly.

Bogey
10-27-2008, 20:40
A plastic Glock.
Who would have thought of that?

I don't see why it would not be allowable for IDPA ESP. There are plenty of 1911 CDPs and ESPs out there built on aftermarket frames, and nothing said against them.

They would have to compete in ESP or CDP, unless Bill Wilson says he won't accept them.

I couldn't find the reference in the rule book, but I also believe there is something about number of units in production. I think it has to do with pistols competing in SSP though.


ETA: I didn't see JR's last post before I wrote this.

jokon
10-27-2008, 20:53
I like the idea, why not right? I'll keep my eye open for the G21 conversion, until then YAWN.

JR
10-27-2008, 21:16
The original release is planed as replacement frames only.
Once we get on our feet we will contract to have 2 thousand built. This will qualify the gun to run legal in the SSP (IDPA) and production (USPSA) categories.

We have several well known builders and shooters that provided a lot of input regarding this frame. Believe me when I tell you, every one of them signed off on the finger grips. They are a non issue even to guys that do not want them.

smoke
10-27-2008, 21:27
The original release is planed as replacement frames only.
Once we get on our feet we will contract to have 2 thousand built. This will qualify the gun to run legal in the SSP (IDPA) and production (USPSA) categories.

We have several well known builders and shooters that provided a lot of input regarding this frame. Believe me when I tell you, every one of them signed off on the finger grips. They are a non issue even to guys that do not want them.

JR - You are not listening - When we say we don't want FG's - We don't want FG's - nuff said! Please do not tell me what is a non-issue!

JR
10-27-2008, 21:35
Well then...... it is obvious this frame is not for you. Maybe a few others feel the same way but here is the truth of the matter. I would be happy if 2% Glock owners liked what we have to offer and only 1% purchased.

This project is not a "save all wonder frame". Its an option. An option that has a nitch and we are here to fill it.

smoke
10-27-2008, 21:54
Well then...... it is obvious this frame is not for you. Maybe a few others feel the same way but here is the truth of the matter. I would be happy if 2% Glock owners liked what we have to offer and only 1% purchased.

This project is not a "save all wonder frame". Its an option. An option that has a nitch and we are here to fill it.

Oh, but you see - it could be a "save all wonder frame" if you'd open the options up and not try to mandate. You may even get some M&P and XD business from people who don't buy GLOCKs because of the FG's. There's lots of money being made taking the FG's off GLOCKs.

I hope you sell tons of them because that'll put more stock frames on the market that I can buy and mod however I want.

I could comment further but it'd serve no purpose. I do think you need to remember what side of the dealer/customer relationship you're on.

texas 48
10-27-2008, 21:55
Plans for G29 and G30 G26 G27? Would be Very cool and Extra concealable

JR
10-27-2008, 22:04
I meant no offence. Simply trying to indicate we will not be able to accommodate everyone. I can accept that fact.

You are positively sold on "no FG", but so were several others involved with this project. I tried to explain that this frame circumference is greatly reduced. It allows a completely different grip and the FG do not interfere. Come out to the Tulsa Show in Nov, SAR Show in Dec (Phoenix), SHOT Show in Jan (Orlando) and see for yourself.

Morris
10-27-2008, 22:06
Hey JR:

Thanks for your input here. I'm going to give you a call this week as I'd like to see how a frame like this would work with my officers with small hands who are challenged with the 17/22 frame (especially with the adjustable backstraps). If the pricepoint is lower than the CCR raceframe, that interests the command staff above me.

Chuck TX
10-27-2008, 22:07
The next production will be for the G20,21.

Sweet, I can't wait for that :rock:

Bullman
10-27-2008, 22:15
Thank you for the additional information JR. Looking forward to that Glock 20 frame.

yongxingfreesty
10-27-2008, 22:24
Very nice product, but Ill stick to my stock glock!

jokon
10-27-2008, 22:29
Like I mentioned before, I'm more interested in the 21 conversion. However, that's just me. I have a 21 sf now and definitely think I would be for a conversion for it. I would have gone the ccf route before, but they weren't available at the time I was looking. I would definitely wait for this. I have a ambi model 21, will the conversion be ambi? I know this is jumping the gun (no pun intended) But the more I look, the more I'm interested. I would also be interested in a conversion for the G30 with a grip to accept the full size grip of the 21sf without the big gap.
This is my Christmas list, please Santa, please.

crosse
10-28-2008, 02:34
everyone is a critic. I look forward to buying a lower with a nice 35 lwd upper. or when the 20/21 lower comes out a 5" LWD hunting barrel and upper. positive people. think positive!

m4arc
10-28-2008, 05:23
Very, very cool :cool:

I'll be getting one!

1999Cobra
10-28-2008, 08:20
Can't wait I'm very excited about this...

revel8
10-28-2008, 08:32
i dont see a big problem with the finger grips, they don't look as pronounced at the regular glock ones are.

coverdog
10-28-2008, 08:36
I'd take a g20/21 frame. I have no interest in any others myself. Hope to see them soon.

smoke
10-28-2008, 08:37
I meant no offence. Simply trying to indicate we will not be able to accommodate everyone. I can accept that fact.

You are positively sold on "no FG", but so were several others involved with this project. I tried to explain that this frame circumference is greatly reduced. It allows a completely different grip and the FG do not interfere. Come out to the Tulsa Show in Nov, SAR Show in Dec (Phoenix), SHOT Show in Jan (Orlando) and see for yourself.

You are correct sir. So much against FG's that I only own 1 - 3rd Gen Fullsize GLOCK and that is a G35 with the FGs removed. Believe me, I own many GLOCKs, but have to settle for 2nd Gen guns. Gaston can't sell me on FG's, so I doubt you will. BHP's, 1911's, Berettas, Rugers, S&W's, M&P's, XD's, Sigs - none of them have FG's, why would you want to add them is beyond me. I don't see anybody adding FG's to GLOCKs, only taking them off.

As I learn to do frame mods myself, I plan to get some more 3rd Gen Guns. Like I said, I hope you sell tons of these so I can get some factory frames at a reasonable price.

Good Luck in your endeavor!:cool:

Eric
10-28-2008, 08:55
Guys, if you want to ask questions or post comments in the Product Showcase forum, you need to be polite and exercise some tact. As is usually the case, the warning is unnecessary for most of you. Eric

9mmMike
10-28-2008, 09:52
Pretty cool IMHO.
And FWIW, it seems like those with a FG "issue" are in a pretty small minority.
Nice job JR & Co.!

brad27
10-28-2008, 10:08
Oh, but you see - it could be a "save all wonder frame" if you'd open the options up and not try to mandate. You may even get some M&P and XD business from people who don't buy GLOCKs because of the FG's. There's lots of money being made taking the FG's off GLOCKs.

I hope you sell tons of them because that'll put more stock frames on the market that I can buy and mod however I want.

I could comment further but it'd serve no purpose. I do think you need to remember what side of the dealer/customer relationship you're on.

Let a newbie chime in if I may...bottom line to me is if you don't like the frame or you don't like the way they've made it or you don't like his honest answer to you "the customer" then don't buy it! But don't throw down this "I don't think you need to remember which side of the dealer/customer relationship you're on" crap because you instigated the conversation hopefully with the intention of receiving an honest answer...and not some lame answer that you would receive from a programmed Wal-mart employee.

Eric
10-28-2008, 10:57
Guys, please do not let the thread get derailed by bickering. Keep posts on topic. Thanks. Eric

1999Cobra
10-28-2008, 11:11
JR thank you for the info, waiting on the reply -

1811guy
10-28-2008, 12:53
Nice frame, but, sadly, not legal for competition in IDPA.

Nice frame, and fortunately, legal for competition in USPSA.:supergrin:

JR
10-28-2008, 13:09
I talked with IDPA a few months back. I was informed the new frame qualified for ESP division
Also legal in USPSA limited and Open class

TurboRocket
10-28-2008, 15:24
Now, Lone Wolf should take their skills/connections and go design a single-stack pocket 9 that has Glock reliability, and sell it for a reasonable price. I would probably buy 2.

troy96
10-28-2008, 16:19
You are correct sir. So much against FG's that I only own 1 - 3rd Gen Fullsize GLOCK and that is a G35 with the FGs removed. Believe me, I own many GLOCKs, but have to settle for 2nd Gen guns. Gaston can't sell me on FG's, so I doubt you will. BHP's, 1911's, Berettas, Rugers, S&W's, M&P's, XD's, Sigs - none of them have FG's, why would you want to add them is beyond me. I don't see anybody adding FG's to GLOCKs, only taking them off.

As I learn to do frame mods myself, I plan to get some more 3rd Gen Guns. Like I said, I hope you sell tons of these so I can get some factory frames at a reasonable price.

Good Luck in your endeavor!:cool:

:dunno: I guess Hogue and Pachmayr didnt consult you before they started making finger groove grips. But those companies stopped making them because noone bought them...wait, no they didnt, because people do buy them.

JR, I hope they are a success and you make them for the G23 as well.

Joe D
10-28-2008, 17:36
Not so sure about that. If the CCF is legal in ESP with a G34 upper then why would this one not be.

BuckyP
10-28-2008, 17:43
Wow, just thinking about an all LWD 19/23 with built in Laser. Could the search for the "perfect carry gun" be near.

QNman
10-28-2008, 17:54
The frame is not featured on our web site because the information is not officially released. We simply figured GT has been good to us over the years so we would "privately" release the information here before anybody else seen or heard of it. LWD will be attending the Tulsa OK gun show November 7-9. If you would like to see this new replacement frame first hand we will have a couple of the rapid prototypes at this show for your inspection.

The frames will fit the G17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37. The next production will be for the G20,21. The G19,23 are last on the list.

The replacement frame use all the standard Glock parts with the exception of the magazine release, which is the new oversized "round style".

The bump on the replaceable grip is a laser activation switch. The optional laser system is integral with the frame.

The target price of the frame is under $200. I am sure we will take huge steps to offer the initial run at further discounts to GT members.

The finger grips are the best we have ever seen, they fit both large & small hands alike.

The frame is considered the firearm. It has its own serial number. It must be transferred through a FFL.

JR:

I just ordered a 21 barrel for my 21SF yesterday... it gives me warm-fuzzies when shooting reloads.

When the 21 frame comes out, if it really is under $200, I'll get in line for sure.

Thanks for providing the excellent customer service many of us have come to enjoy. My Glocks are better for it. :supergrin:

Neofyte
10-28-2008, 22:50
Ok a lot of questions

What holsters and Surefire X--- DG switch will work with your receiver

How about a ambi magazine release, always liked the Hk USP lever and it would seem to me it would be easy to make the magazine release modular to allow either button or lever, but then again I'am more qualified to critique warp core harmonics and wizards spells then the mechanics of a Glock

About the laser

1. Is it a Pulse or Steady Beam
2. How long does it run and on what kind of battery
3. is it water resistant
4. If the Diode goes will you replace it or will a new receiver be necessary
5. will it clear a suppressor

Now about the Receiver in General

1. will you offer it with stippling or golfballing on the entire grip instead of just front and rear strap(maybe also do the finger pads near the takedown lever)
2. cuts on the magwell sides for ease extracting magazine(Never had a problem or heard of any but it looks cool)
3. How pronounced is the beavertail(hard to tell from the rendering)
4. If it is possible to expand or bevel to trigger guard to help us ham hands who wear gloves

Any talk about Raven Concealment about making a Phantom Light Compatible Holster

And if you're making it from scratch maybe make it work with XD magazines so I could squeeze an extra round

Smoke
I loved the feel of the finger groves on the Walther P99(Not the Smith & Weston crap) just no the rest of the package.

-edited for spelling

hillyard
10-29-2008, 01:24
Cool I will be making a 22lr gun with one

Bodycamp13
10-29-2008, 07:45
...I'm excited about it and would really like to fondle one. I also appreciate 'JR' for watching the thread and weighing in. I'm impressed. I really think the 19/23 is the best blend for a carry gun but haven't bought one b/c the slide bites my hand due to my hand hold. The new grip angle and beavertail would be very welcomed.

And...I wouldn't have to wait weeks for an aftermarket shop to modify a factory frame that I can't sell if I ever get rid of the gun.

The next one I'd like to see is 19, then a 26!

Thanks to LWD for introducing what could be a great new product.

JR
10-29-2008, 11:11
Our frame will fit any holster designed for the Glock.
We are going with the standard MR that operates from the LH side of the frame. It seems the current factory produced ambi-MR is running into problems with several holsters currently on the market. We want to avoid the trouble

Laser Questions
1. Steady Beam
2. (2) #2032 Button Cell Batteries - about 4 hours of continuous on time.
3. Weather resistant - rain & splash proof - submergence will not damage the unit, but batteries will have to be removed and dried.
4. Diode is replaceable by the factory (or a capable gunsmith)
5. Diode is offset from the bore by just over 3/4" - will probably not clear 1.5" dia suppressors but we are working on it.

Receiver Questions
1. Stippling
2. We agree!
3. Our Beavertail will stop slide bite for sure
4. We have modified a lot of Glock frames over the years. We would not be offended if you decided to cut, grind or chop away at this frame. If your proud of the job maybe you could even share it with us. After all, that is how we got started!
5. Don't know who Raven is? Don't know their product line. If they make a Glock holster ours will fit
6. Glock mags only. If you want extra rounds we recommend Arredondo

Apocalypse_Now
10-29-2008, 12:13
Why? (scratches head) Now if they really wanted to do something worthwhile, they could make a folding stock tactical carbine that takes Glock mags

dawg23
10-29-2008, 12:17
No one (that I noticed) has commented on the indentation that seems to have been created at the rear of the trigger guard.

If that's what it is, thank you. I will buy four G19's as soon as they are offered, and the factory indentation willl save me the trouble of removing the "bump."

Eric
10-29-2008, 12:23
Why? (scratches head) Now if they really wanted to do something worthwhile, they could make a folding stock tactical carbine that takes Glock mags

Now it is my turn to scratch my head and ask why. I will never understand the fascination with pistol caliber carbines, but this is a conversation for another time (and thread). Eric

NY Glock
10-29-2008, 13:25
Why? (scratches head) Now if they really wanted to do something worthwhile, they could make a folding stock tactical carbine that takes Glock mags

look into Keltec & Olympic Arms

NY Glock
10-29-2008, 13:26
I would be interested in a full pistol version, any chance for LEO discounts?

speedracer815
10-29-2008, 13:44
So you could actually have a Lone Wolf instead of a Glock. LW frame, slide and barrel. I wonder if they'll start marketing complete guns.

Neofyte
10-29-2008, 15:57
Just two little things,
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If the laser is offset by 0.75 of a inch then it should clear most pistol silencers as the common diameter is 1.38 (AAC Evolution .45 is 1.38, SWR HEMS2 .45 is 1.375 and the Gemtech Blackside .45 is 1.37) leaving about 0.12 of a inch, which might(no experience) be enough.
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Your looking good, just some thoughts since you appear to still be in the design phase and could therefore implement changes.

MOHAA Player
10-29-2008, 17:43
It looks like a good product but I would prefer it in .45 acp, I have no probs with the G17/22 frame.

Same here,I would buy one for my G21SF if they make one.

smokey45
10-29-2008, 19:55
Thanks, JR! I might just travel to Tulsa to get my hands on one,
s45

Suburban
10-29-2008, 22:43
I was thinking that I could use another 9mm/40/.357SIG/etc. and 10mm/45ACP frame for competition use, but then I realized that none of the mag funnels would fit.

May have some use for one in the future if they work like Glock frames, and not like the metal aftermarket ones that really need to be built up into a pistol by a gunsmith.

4TS&W
10-30-2008, 08:13
I'd like to see them side by side with Glock frames...

Danimal3805
10-30-2008, 19:00
Now, Lone Wolf should take their skills/connections and go design a single-stack pocket 9 that has Glock reliability, and sell it for a reasonable price. I would probably buy 2.

That sounds like an awesome idea!!!! Single stack lower that would accept 19 or 17 slides! :rock:

glock-fan
10-30-2008, 20:06
Why...Why....make a copy from a glock for $300, ..for that money of I prefer to get the original.

Keeperofthedew
10-30-2008, 21:10
Why...Why....make a copy from a glock for $300, ..for that money of I prefer to get the original.

JR's said a couple of times that they're shooting for sub $200.


Why? (scratches head) Now if they really wanted to do something worthwhile, they could make a folding stock tactical carbine that takes Glock mags

Because if you combine this frame with a Mech-Tech CCU w/ collapsable stock it would fulfill that roll and run you about $550? Just a thought.

1999Cobra
10-31-2008, 04:50
Hey JR,

By the looks of how this thread has grown in a few short days and most if not all of the posts are +1...

I would have to say as long as your frame functions as described, you and yours will have quite a hit and turn quite a profit in a relatively short time ...

Best of luck - thanks for the info, finally got it in email yesterday ... as a matter of fact I have product incoming - It's good to be a vendor for Lone Wolf products :wavey:

BuckyP
10-31-2008, 06:20
Why...Why....make a copy from a glock for $300, ..for that money of I prefer to get the original.

There are those that really like the GLOCK deisgn, but don't believe they are perfect.


The intergal laser is appealing. The CTC's are awesome, but they do add bulk. I'm sure the Laser Max is a good unit as well, but I prefer it to be activated when I grip the gun.
Many of us that really choke up on the gun, tend to get bit by the slide. This makes the beaver tail appealing.
Some don't like the grip angle (I've come to like it).
A lot of us don't like the spacing on the finger grooves on the compact models, so we're hopeful that the compact will version will have full size finger groove spacing. (Sorry to those that don't like the grooves at all).

Broylz
10-31-2008, 11:28
i really like it.

i too am interested in a custom SN to make it more personal. with what you guys already offer, do you plan on offering a full on LWD Pistol?

Zell
10-31-2008, 11:30
I like my Glocks the way they are now.

KaPPaBaLL
11-01-2008, 01:02
subbed...

glock-fan
11-02-2008, 07:28
Why would you want one of this for..it is too expensive $299..then you have to buy the slide and the barrel..you are going to espent more than the actual cost of a new glock..for a copy, a gun without brand and a manufacturer without experiece on guns just on parts...what about the reliability..

glock-fan
11-02-2008, 07:30
Do you really feel confident shooting with one of those.?..I won´t..what if this thing explode on your face..

QNman
11-02-2008, 07:35
Do you really feel confident shooting with one of those.?..I won´t..what if this thing explode on your face..

You're KIDDING, right? This is somewhere along the lines of "don't buy one of those Glocks - they all go KABOOM!", right?

cmspeedy
11-02-2008, 08:26
It is a new design being added to a platform with arguably the best reliability record for an autoloader - people should be skeptical. It may be great or it may have issues. They may be able to resolve those issues, but Lone Wolf can have NOWHERE NEAR the R&D budget of Glock so I expect growing pains.

Some of you have an addiction and will buy it anyway and I'm sure plenty will end up in the parts drawer with all the other stuff you bought that you found to be subpar to the factory parts.

troy96
11-02-2008, 09:31
Do you really feel confident shooting with one of those.?..I won´t..what if this thing explode on your face..

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KaPPaBaLL
11-02-2008, 09:55
Why would you want one of this for..it is too expensive $299..then you have to buy the slide and the barrel..you are going to espent more than the actual cost of a new glock..for a copy, a gun without brand and a manufacturer without experiece on guns just on parts...what about the reliability..

i definitely hear what you're saying. i however also thought of this as well. I don't mind having couple parts from an aftermarket source, but having built a whole pistol with MOSTLY aftermarket parts would semi-ERK me. I still thing the new frame they're coming out is fine as long as the price isn't too much..

1999Cobra
11-02-2008, 10:49
Do you really feel confident shooting with one of those.?..I won´t..what if this thing explode on your face..

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

LongGoneDays
11-02-2008, 11:47
Why would you want one of this for..it is too expensive $299..then you have to buy the slide and the barrel..you are going to espent more than the actual cost of a new glock..for a copy, a gun without brand and a manufacturer without experiece on guns just on parts...what about the reliability..


It's been pointed out the $299 is something else. This frame will be lower than $200. You put it on an existing slide + barrel that you already have.

1811guy
11-02-2008, 12:13
I plan on getting one of his custom slides and barrels in .40 and the frame and building a nice USPSA limited gun.

Suburban
11-02-2008, 12:41
I plan on getting one of his custom slides and barrels in .40 and the frame and building a nice USPSA limited gun.

Mag funnel?

I can see competing in SSP or Production with one, if they were legal, but in Limited you'd be at a disadvantage. Beveled mag wells don't help all that much on their own.

glock-fan
11-02-2008, 14:57
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glock-fan
11-02-2008, 14:58
It's been pointed out the $299 is something else. This frame will be lower than $200. You put it on an existing slide + barrel that you already have.

see I was not wrong,,taken from their web page. $299

KaPPaBaLL
11-02-2008, 16:26
see I was not wrong,,taken from their web page. $299

you weren't wrong, but regardless of what the advertisement said the representative said it will be under $200 for sure... just an fyi... :)

JR
11-02-2008, 17:55
You are totally wrong! The frame you see in the home page advertisement is a MODIFIED GLOCK FACTORY G22 FRAME. We started with a 3rd gen G22, did a frame reduction, added a few more goodies, 3 mags, box, cleaning kit & lock. Smoking deal at $299

Our new frame is completely custom built from the magwell up! It has more features and is a full 3/8 to 1/2 inch smaller in the grip than a factory frame. They should come in under $200

"Could blow up" (are you for real). First of all.... anything can happen but you are way off base here because this is absolutely impossible! Frames don't blow up! Barrels can blow up but frames don't. Barrels sit inside slides that sit on a frame. FYI: A Lone Wolf barrel has never experienced a catastrophic failure (read "blow up"). NEVER, NOT ONE.

I guess we are lucky huh? Lucky with our barrels and maybe, hopefully just as lucky with the frames.

1811guy
11-02-2008, 19:02
Mag funnel?

I can see competing in SSP or Production with one, if they were legal, but in Limited you'd be at a disadvantage. Beveled mag wells don't help all that much on their own.

I already thought of that and already have a solution. It will make for a fine Limited gun.

texas 48
11-02-2008, 19:14
This I know, LWD and JR have always stood behind their products. JR has made excellent high quality products that perform. LWD is an innovator of the 1st order ,not just supplying Glock Parts but also making inovatting custom parts that, in my experience , are of incrdeible value at great prices.

They are a major sponsor of this website and people who know little or nothing about them should get more information rather than making stupid comments about things they know little if anything about.

Keep up the great work JR. Anyone who has dealt with you or your company pays little attention to those who just want to chime in with their 2 cents and know little or nothing about what they are talking about. Just demonstrates a level of ignorance.

1999Cobra
11-02-2008, 19:40
see I was not wrong,,taken from their web page. $299

Last I read at the beginning of this thread the topic was about a new product (If you don't like it - read and move on)

Let the rest of us share with each other and enjoy the thought of something new - now please go away...

Back on topic I hope -

Bullman
11-02-2008, 19:43
You are totally wrong! The frame you see in the home page advertisement is a MODIFIED GLOCK FACTORY G22 FRAME. We started with a 3rd gen G22, did a frame reduction, added a few more goodies, 3 mags, box, cleaning kit & lock. Smoking deal at $299

Our new frame is completely custom built from the magwell up! It has more features and is a full 3/8 to 1/2 inch smaller in the grip than a factory frame. They should come in under $200

"Could blow up" (are you for real). First of all.... anything can happen but you are way off base here because this is absolutely impossible! Frames don't blow up! Barrels can blow up but frames don't. Barrels sit inside slides that sit on a frame. FYI: A Lone Wolf barrel has never experienced a catastrophic failure (read "blow up"). NEVER, NOT ONE.

I guess we are lucky huh? Lucky with our barrels and maybe, hopefully just as lucky with the frames.

Glock certainly can't say this, I don't know what has got everyone wetting their pants over your new product. I would say that they are ill informed and should maybe let things go for a while before denouncing a product that has no track record performance. If anything, they should go on your proven track record with your other fine products.

JR
11-02-2008, 22:16
I am not offended but am scratching my head a lot on this one (blow up).

I appreciate the input received from this chat room. A lot of the products we currently provide are the result of conversations held right here on GT. When I see this stuff I seriously ask "why not", when it seems so many others ask "why". I feel I have an excellent advantage to act on an idea, considering my position. I know most all the top shooters, best machine shops and a slew of innovators dieing to present excellent products. They also ask the same questions.... "why not".

Its really not a big deal to get a bunch of guys together and make something happen, something worth while. The Glock market is huge! So huge that a small percentage of partakers will carry you a very long way. I am utterly surprised this has not happened before now? I am grateful this project falls on our plate. We will be able to take it a very long ways.

TexasPOff
11-02-2008, 22:47
Sounds like another non-informed individual spewing out non-information.

Wake County Glockman
11-02-2008, 23:18
I love the stock Gen 2 frame more.

BOGE
11-03-2008, 03:06
JR, I will buy one. :wavey: Ignore the "expert" loafers sitting around the wood stove here. Thanks for having the fortitude to do this as I truly believe that if your frame is at least as strong as the OEM Glock frame then you'll have a winner.

waktasz
11-03-2008, 14:46
Nice frame, but, sadly, not legal for competition in IDPA.

I didn't see if anyone else addressed this...but why not? Custom 1911s are legal in CDP or ESP, why wouldn't this be?

Morris
11-03-2008, 14:52
JR:

Would there be a way for an agency to T&E a unit once things are in production?

(Which usually means I buy it - ha!)

JR
11-03-2008, 15:57
You need to check with me at SHOT or shortly there after. I am sure we will have a few of them out for T&E

Total_Recoil
11-04-2008, 03:37
need one for large (G20/21) frames. and a Single stack 10mm please:D

BOGE
11-04-2008, 14:54
...and a Single stack 10mm please:D

Uhh, they're making a frame, not magazines. :wavey:

Joe D
11-07-2008, 17:15
JR, as you can see Glock Talk has it's share of morons. Put me down for a G21 frame.

Nine Shooter
11-10-2008, 01:04
I'd definitely buy one if the price was 200 or less.

copper4262
11-10-2008, 12:23
I want one too!! I haven't had time to read all of this thread yet - is there a link for more info or a phone number???? when I get a couple minutes ill go over this in depth - until them im gonna just sit and drool over the possibilities!!!

AgentM79
11-11-2008, 06:38
JR:

Am I correct in observing a LACK of thumbrests? LWD may be onto something here!!
Will G17 slides of any vintage (Gen-1, Gen-2, or Gen-3) work on this frame?

Thanks!

BOGE
11-11-2008, 23:09
JR, why is the info removed from your website? I was referring buddies there & now it's gone. :dunno:

How was the reception in Tulsa? Any reviews online from people who handled it?

Thanks.

JR
11-17-2008, 20:57
The Tulsa show was great and we talked with quite a few Glock enthusiasts. Had an excellent time with Eric and Jim (GT Big Heads). Unfortunately most the general shooters we talked with lacked the ability to see the prototypes as what they were "PROTOTYPES". We got the usual questions... why is the frame white, why not 19..... why not 21.... where is the texture..... blah, blah, blah. This taught me a valuable lesson, not everybody has the ability to see a finished project when looking at the blue prints. I will make sure to have working samples for SHOT Show.


AgentM79 Yes the thumb rests were scaled WAY back on the LH side, removed completely on the RH side. Fit seems to be superior this way.

Boge We removed the frame from the front page because the G21T slides finally arrived. The G21L (six inchers) will be here before Thanksgiving so the frame info will not be up for another couple weeks.

TexasPOff
11-19-2008, 06:38
Well im still excited about the whole prospect of the new frame. JR you can count me in on a 19/23 sized frame when they are avalible. Have money in hand and I would like one of the first ones to come out. Will give ya my CC number and go ahead and charge away...:eat:

Morris
11-20-2008, 13:59
JR, when it's ready, I'm ready to take it for a test drive. Hell, it's worth a drive to Idaho just to fondle a complete package. It's only 6-7 hours.

w2sjw
11-25-2008, 19:51
JR,

Any idea about what the average total cost would be for this & one of your full custom slide setups in 9mm (G17-type clone)?

I'm really thinking about building a custom 9MM out of this, and returning my G17 to stock (keeping my factory barrel polished, though!).

JR
11-25-2008, 21:32
Slides start at $175, internals about $80, barrels at $100, sights are your choice ?$?
Frames will be about $200, internals about $80

This is a great start for a total custom Glock.. er, Wolf... er, whatever?

smokey45
11-26-2008, 05:39
JR,
Am I correct in my assumption that factory internals will work with your upper and lower?
s45

Jake44460
11-26-2008, 06:05
I apologize if this was covered....

What are the details for the internal laser?

Also, is a price set yet for it?

JR
11-26-2008, 12:07
Yes the factory internals will work with both our slides and receivers.

The lasers we offer will be an option. Price will most likely be around $150. We will have to wait & see

smokey45
11-26-2008, 16:09
[QUOTE=JR;11725845]Yes the factory internals will work with both our slides and receivers.

Excellent! I may have to be the first kid on my block to have one--------engraved of course!!
s45

TexasPOff
11-29-2008, 08:56
I love it....just like the evolution of the 1911. Several companies started making 1911 frames slides etc etc. Then you see custom 1911 start showing up with names other than colt. Could this be the legacy of Glock?. Lets look at the simularities. Sam Browning and Colt unltimately Produce the 1911 for adoption by the US military forces. Colts patent exspires and overnight Kimber becomes a viable competitor to Colt and the 1911. Now you can get a 1911 platform pistol from just about everyone out there.
Gaston produces the G17 for local country military. Glocks patent expired allowing CCF to start producing Glock style frames. Now Lone Wolf takes it a step further with a replacement frame made of polymer and completely updated. Along with thier production of slide barrels etc etc. Could Lone Wolf become the Glocks (Kimber)?....I think possibly. I for one am very excited about the new frames and as soon as the 19/23 size is avalible I'll have one. With JR and team as members here on GT, Im shure they will definately listen to customer suggestions and complainants. Good luck LW and we will be waiting patiently. For what is it worth I have shown several local LE guys I work with and they are holding off on sending thier pistol for grip reductions untill they see your fame in person. you have quite a few customers waiting patiently for product. :nailbiting:

rkrk
01-01-2009, 21:10
another reason to hold off on getting a grip reduction for my 23. Looking forward to seeing how it roles out.

KillStick
01-01-2009, 21:15
i want it

N.D.Glock23
01-02-2009, 04:35
I'd love to try it out, but hope that LWD heeds the sentiment of several posters here who would prefer a frame without the damned finger grooves. With the advent of the factory "SF" models, the opportunity for LWD to innovate would have to entail combining the accessory rail with a Gen-1 style grip frame. Interchangeable backstraps would be good, too, since that is an oft-requested feature.

Variety is not a bad thing here.

I agree 100% + I have small hands so I want one for my G23 W/O the finger grooves and espescialy W/O the $300.00 ish price tag :wow: (OUCH!) though cause its way too pricey un less it comes w a high qaulity adjustable for point of impact built in laser which I want & changable backstraps; for that price otherwise i would go with a stainless one from someone else!

cusn
01-02-2009, 15:59
Will it be available in OD?

JR
01-03-2009, 18:41
cusn: We are looking at several colors. Black will be first I guarantee it.

ND Glock23: We will offer the LWD full sized frames first. These are the same size as current Glock production G17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37. Yes the LWD frames will feature a modified finger grip. If this is unacceptable you can and should shell out BIG BUCKS for the HEAVY WEIGHT CCF frame? Let me see... they recently sold at $319.95 but because of the recession are selling at $279.95 ? Are these guys openly saying "we nailed your friends for $50 extra bucks and now want to give you the deal" ? The CCF frame (naked) weighs in HEAVIER than ANY COMPLETE GLOCK OFFERED, it is known to pound out recoil bushings in 200 RDS or less, comes with a factory warning not to use anything but factory parts..... and my favorite.... GALLS STAINLESS PARTS? This is a better deal? Are you really serious??

Total_Recoil
01-04-2009, 23:49
where will the laser project from? The side like the crimson trace? I think a new frame makes more sense for the 45/10 frames due to their fat grips, SF = still fat, but I guess the 9/40/357/GAP frames is where most of the market is:(

TexasPOff
01-05-2009, 06:57
Im with ND...Im just waiting on the 23/19 sized frames and then im all in. Keep us posted JR.

doodi1
01-12-2009, 14:23
I'll definttely try it when it comes out. If I like the results, I'll go for the G21 and G19/23 version when they come out. Damn, I got to stock up on some more mags for these future guns!:cool:

1811guy
01-12-2009, 20:47
I just purchased 10 G22 mags. I plan on getting the lower with one of the custom G35 slides.:supergrin:

JR
01-12-2009, 21:23
The (totally optional) laser will be mounted on the upper RH side of the frame. It is very similar to the CT grip system except it is mounted directly to the frame. Yes it features a fully adjustable beam and the battery power is located in the grip.

I am out of here on my way to SHOT Show. We will be revealing 6 working prototypes of the new LWD "Timberwolf" Glock replacement frame. This is the first time they will be shown anywhere. Will return from SHOT the 20th and start working on the main production. Hopefully they will be available for delivery in April. If you are lucky enough to attend the show please stop by and check out the frames. Maybe even snap a few pics for the other GT members to enjoy? Oh yeah, and check out the rest of our line up.

Breaking news..... Did I forget to mention we will have a reduced size AR that accepts Glock mags? No blocks to mess with I am talking a true receiver built to accept Glock mags "straight up". More on that when I return!

1811guy
01-12-2009, 21:34
The laser will be mounted on the upper RH side of the frame. It is very similar to the CT grip system except it is mounted directly to the frame. Yes it features a fully adjustable beam and the battery power is located in the grip.

Please tell me you will be making the frame without the laser and button. Not having that option would definitely break the deal for me.

BOGE
01-23-2009, 12:46
Deleted as answered above.

eddief4
01-23-2009, 13:29
The (totally optional) laser will be mounted on the upper RH side of the frame. It is very similar to the CT grip system except it is mounted directly to the frame. Yes it features a fully adjustable beam and the battery power is located in the grip.

I am out of here on my way to SHOT Show. We will be revealing 6 working prototypes of the new LWD "Timberwolf" Glock replacement frame. This is the first time they will be shown anywhere. Will return from SHOT the 20th and start working on the main production. Hopefully they will be available for delivery in April. If you are lucky enough to attend the show please stop by and check out the frames. Maybe even snap a few pics for the other GT members to enjoy? Oh yeah, and check out the rest of our line up.

Breaking news..... Did I forget to mention we will have a reduced size AR that accepts Glock mags? No blocks to mess with I am talking a true receiver built to accept Glock mags "straight up". More on that when I return!




do you have any pics?:wavey:

JR
01-23-2009, 18:37
1811guy2 If you choose the "The (totally optional) laser" it would require an activation button in the grip. If you did not want the laser there would be no reason for the button.

Maybe I could get a few pics next week?

SIGSAREBETTER
01-23-2009, 19:05
Baby Jesus called, he asked me to relay that he and others (like me) REALLY want that G20 frame sooner than later. ;) The day it's avail. I'll pony up the dough.

Also, if you need beta testers....well....;)

1811guy
01-23-2009, 19:06
1811guy2 If you choose the "The (totally optional) laser" it would require an activation button in the grip. If you did not want the laser there would be no reason for the button.

Maybe I could get a few pics next week?

Optional is good, pics are even better. Thanks! Money is already set aside.

Nestor
01-25-2009, 00:41
You know JR, I'm hanging around since 2003, but if You guys will start with the new frame I may even buy G17 :supergrin:

JR
01-26-2009, 22:48
http://www.hydrabackoffice.com/images/lwdmain.jpg

crosse
01-26-2009, 22:52
http://www.hydrabackoffice.com/images/lwdmain.jpg

oh my my. Gonna get a brand new 37 with hopes that this lower is out for production soon.

tlafrance
01-27-2009, 04:57
1811guy2 If you choose the "The (totally optional) laser" it would require an activation button in the grip. If you did not want the laser there would be no reason for the button.

Maybe I could get a few pics next week?

I held the holy grail at the SAR show in PHX in Dec. Worth the wait, worth the expense, be patient. The laser is craftily integrated into the frame on the right side, so it should not require holster modification. I use sights exclusively and have no real use for a laser, however it is unique and well thought out. I'm waiting for the G20/21 frame next year so I can finally build my .38 Super Glock, the gun Gaston SHOULD have introduced years ago:supergrin: Sincere thanks to the folks at LW for all the hard work and dedication that has gone into this project:cheers:

Tom

Bullman
01-27-2009, 15:37
Interesting, I have thought about a crimson trace for my G22 but it won't fit in a safariland raptor due to the hood, I wonder if this would be any different?

oldtexan
01-27-2009, 23:42
JR,

Great info. Thanks for spending the time to share this with us.

One question about the optional laser: will it have a master on/off switch, and if so where on the frame will that switch be located?

Many thanks.

JR
01-28-2009, 09:28
The laser is optional and can be installed any time. We use the removable grip as a power source. There is a master switch located on the grip. This laser system rides high and will NOT interfere with any holster we are aware of.

Taz
01-28-2009, 20:50
Looks very promising. Would love to see a super slim 20/21 frame topped off with a 20/21T and either in 10mm or 45ACP youd have a winner.

Ghostrider_911
02-03-2009, 07:54
JR : Great job! Looking forward to seeing these.

The only thing I would like from an aesthetic point of view is some texture on the front of the trigger guard (not that it would serve much of a purpose) but keep it more in line with factory GLOCK frames.

How does the frame texture (overall) compare with a factory frame (not refering to the grip surfaces)? It looks a little smoother to me.

Otherwise - LW is answering a calling, something GLOCK didn't come to the table to do in the first place. I give it a high thumbs up!

JR
02-03-2009, 11:16
The gun in the pic is 100% Lone Wolf, frame, slide, barrel and most internal parts. It is the actual prototype we had on-hand at SHOT Show in Orlando FL. Had you attended this show you would have been able to rack the slide, feel the trigger and "take in" the gun as a whole! We made 3 small changes to this prototype. We have incorporated (subtle) texture on the front of the trigger guard, rounded the front of the frame to match the bull nose and rounded the beaver tail slightly. We are working on the regular production run now. I expect to see these frames available by April. The $200 price tag is still good to go so far. The frame texture was commented on by hundreds of dealers. Everybody agreed it provides a good gripping surface but not to aggressive to cause grip burn during extended shooting sessions.

I see this frame as a true winner for any "custom Glock enthusiast". This is living proof Lone Wolf is delivering more bang for your buck! You will be able to build a total custom Glock using Lone Wolf parts for about $595. Frame at $200, frame internals about $40, slide at $175, slide internals about $80, barrel at $100, sights are your choice $?$ ($2 to $100)

Ghostrider_911
02-05-2009, 14:39
JR : Brilliant - sounds like good stuff to me, looking forward to seeing the final product!

mikkelibob
02-08-2009, 20:02
Hmm. I might get a new receiver & internals with the idea of making it a permanent mate to the Mech Tech carbine.

Colorado4Wheel
02-08-2009, 20:23
Are you guys going to try and meet the "production" requirement for USPSA and IDPA? I would also be interested in a G20 type frame as well.

02Corvette
02-11-2009, 21:42
....so would it still be called a Glock! LOL I want one soo bad. I hope they're out soon!

KingsideRook
02-15-2009, 17:27
I see we've got a schedule for the fullsize frame, and that the 10mm/.45 frame is to follow. JR, any idea on when we might see the midsize frame? My wife's carry gun, a G19, needs this kind of grip reduction, and I intend to match mine with hers. Any idea on timeline for the G19/23 size would be appreciated.

JR
02-15-2009, 21:15
I am looking forward to building a special run of these guns to meet production for both IDPA and USPSA. It is my understanding we will need to build 2000 pistols in one year? If we are able to work it out I will be sure to take every part that is currently listed as "illegal" and incorporate them into our design. Light weight strikers, stainless guide rods, fiber optic sights, front serrations, magwells, whatever they call illegal I want it on the gun!

The 19/23 will follow right after the release of the Timber Wolf in April. I figure this compact frame should be available by Winter, just in time for Christmas

batt105
02-24-2009, 23:12
JR, I have been lurking this thread since it was started. To say that Iam very excited about the new frame would be an understatement. I have bought several lonewolf products and have always had great customer service. Keep up the good work!

KingsideRook
02-25-2009, 11:08
Another question - have you guys considered making/contracting a decal-style grip that fits the LWD frame shape? I know it's a farther out concern, but we'[re trying to think of everything. :D I'd hate to have to take a soldering iron to one of these to keep it grippy.

passive101
02-25-2009, 11:22
Have you stress tested these frames to see if they are at least as strong as the original glock frame? Does it pass the Frisbee test? What about stress sideways such as can happen in abuse situations etc?

How do you know that your polymer will stand up and last as long as other manufacturers?

I'd only be interested if it took stock parts in the frame.

BOGE
02-25-2009, 21:02
...I'd only be interested if it took stock parts in the frame.

Read the entire thread.

passive101
02-25-2009, 21:44
Read the entire thread.

I read most of it. I must have missed it somewhere. I'll care when it's been released and we find out if it breaks more often.

cbburke
02-26-2009, 20:46
This is something that I wouldnt mind purchasing in the future since i Love the glock...

but this is something different ..and i can calll it the BURKE ! cuz its customized :)

matteblack
03-02-2009, 10:22
That frame looks fantastic! A quick question, will the trigger reach be shorter on this frame?

JR
03-02-2009, 11:40
matteblack: Yes the trigger reach is shorter. A full 1/8 shorter than the smallest grip reduction offered by anyone. Its smaller than the CCF metal frame.
cbburke: The real world proves everything breaks sooner or later. If you have something that has not broke you aint playing hard enough! The truth of the matter has nothing to do with "if it breaks". What matters is how the problem is resolved. Lone Wolf lifetime guarantees everything we manufacture. No problem.

matteblack
03-02-2009, 12:36
I am looking forward to building a special run of these guns to meet production for both IDPA and USPSA. It is my understanding we will need to build 2000 pistols in one year? If we are able to work it out I will be sure to take every part that is currently listed as "illegal" and incorporate them into our design. Light weight strikers, stainless guide rods, fiber optic sights, front serrations, magwells, whatever they call illegal I want it on the gun!

The 19/23 will follow right after the release of the Timber Wolf in April. I figure this compact frame should be available by Winter, just in time for Christmas

Great to hear on the 19 size! I did a search and couldent find what the Timber Wolf is?

gont
03-08-2009, 21:24
Is this available yet?

JR
03-08-2009, 21:36
Timberwolf is what we call the frame. It is a direct replacement for Glock models 17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37.
We expect to start shipping this April. Cost will be around $200, internals run about $40.

matteblack
03-09-2009, 11:55
Are there any other photos, shot show recaps perhaps?

Beware Owner
03-09-2009, 11:57
Let me know when you have 32 and 30 frame replacements available.

gont
03-10-2009, 07:44
I would appreciate some photos of the product outside of the flyer. Thanks.

matteblack
03-10-2009, 11:17
Quick question, is the button on the backstrap only on the integrated laser option?

Thank you

PS X2 on photos!

scratchy wilson
03-16-2009, 22:21
Kind of a silly question, but I'm curious....

When a frame is bought, does it have to be received as a specific caliber or can it be 'logged in' by the FFL as a 'Multi' caliber gun(ie. like some AR15 lower receivers)?

I confess that I'm GAP curious & was thinking this might be a way to give it a try without buying an entire gun.

shooter_5
03-19-2009, 19:00
Hey JR, could you let us know when they are available to buy. I'm ready!

I know you said "April" - What date?

JR
03-19-2009, 21:35
I cant supply photos because the only ones we have are of the prototypes we built in January. A good photo of that frame is on our home page www.lonewolfdist.com

The button on the back strap is an option. If you decide to get one of our integral lasers you would use a back strap with a button to activate the laser.

All the Timberwolf frames will have to be transferred to a FFL. They will be logged in as "multi cal" good for use as a 17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37 (9/40/357/45GAP)

Unfortunately April 1st delivery is right out. The way we are running now I suspect the end of April. I will provide a delivery update mid April or sooner.

furioso2112
03-19-2009, 21:43
I'll never understand grip reductions. I need a grip about twice the size of the standard Glock grip. A ways bigger than say, an Ergo overmolded AR grip. Then I'll be interested. Looks like this is made for the market (obviously a good thing), like most of their stuff. Hope they don't get any farther behind in 9mm slides/barrels due to it...

shooter_5
03-22-2009, 17:01
Thanks JR - please keep us posted on when available. I will anticipate late April.

shooter_5
03-25-2009, 21:49
JR

Any pre-orders being accepted?

JR
03-26-2009, 11:06
As soon as we get the molds fired up I will let GT members know the frames are available. That's right, GT members get first shot at them

QNman
03-26-2009, 12:07
As soon as we get the molds fired up I will let GT members know the frames are available. That's right, GT members get first shot at them

Cool! I want one for my 21SF!