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Giggity-Giggity
11-02-2008, 12:32
I, for one, have only .40S&W Glocks because I love the caliber.

I've already did the 9mm and .45ACP gig, and felt that the 40 is more fun to shoot. I laugh at the "snappiness".

So please tell me, with most giving up on the .40S&W, why do you still love it?

G26S239
11-02-2008, 16:50
I don't believe most people have given up on the 40. There is a vocal minority of people who don't like the 40 but when Springfield Armorery brought out the XDM recently it was a 40 caliber, likewise the Px4 was developed in 40 before 45 as was the FNP. This suggests to me that the respective marketing depts of those companies thought the 40 should come out first.

Edit: the 32 and 27 listed below are not my only 40s, I also own the SIG 229 and 239 and will be picking up a slightly used USPc in 40 later this month. I don't care what the detractors of the 40 say.

mesteve2
11-02-2008, 17:05
More felt recoil than a .45 acp.

Not as effective as a .45 acp.

So there is your answer.

I have one because I have to for the SO.

WWII
11-02-2008, 17:09
I liked it. Still do. But I picked up a 10mm and have a .45acp, also. I really have no need for the .40S&W now since I grabbed the 10mm. So I'm converting mine to a 9mm.

Dean
11-02-2008, 17:10
A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety. Is it dangerous? Absolutely.

'You want a .45 for free? Get 180 grain bullets for your forty. There's your .45.
Get a Milt Sparks HN-55 holster and Speer Golddot hollow point bullets. Make the rest of it up yourself. Just remember that the minute you disrespect that Glock pistol it kills you, maims you, or kills an innocent. :drillsgt:

DonGlock26
11-03-2008, 11:16
A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety.


Word.......

bnitch
11-03-2008, 16:45
I traded a 21 for a 23 I just like the way it feels. Now if hey start making a compact 45 I may go back till then the 40 does a good job.

hokieglock
11-03-2008, 17:04
there's lotsa love for the .40 in LE arenas. Also, just because not all on GT bows to the .40cal pistol god doesn't mean squat. It's very popular with competition shooters also. Gimmie my family of 4 any day of the week.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l257/hokiephoto/IMG_0017.jpg

rrog
11-03-2008, 19:36
...Not as effective as a .45 acp...


Okay, I guess I'll be the one to open Pandora'a Box...

Do you have any real data to back that up or is that simply your opinion based on your experiences and preferences?

Rick

Dandapani
11-03-2008, 19:36
went from 40 to 9mm. many more lead injection options with 9mm than with 40.

trigger45
11-03-2008, 20:45
I like mine.

mongo356
11-03-2008, 21:38
I'm currently selling my .357Sig Glocks and moving to .40
The .40 has a good range of bullets to pick from 135gr-180gr.

G26S239
11-03-2008, 22:05
I'm currently selling my .357Sig Glocks and moving to .40
The .40 has a good range of bullets to pick from 135gr-180gr.
Why are you selling them mongo356? All you need to do is buy the corresponding size 40 barrel for $129 + shipping in most cases.

Boxerglocker
11-04-2008, 09:55
A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety. Is it dangerous? Absolutely.

In addition a G27 is 9+1 shots is an even smaller/lighter package. Carried with a G23 mag with or without Glock +2 extension and A&G grip sleeve as a backup magazine you have IMO an even more concealable but just as effective CCW package. :upeyes:

RED64CJ5
11-04-2008, 10:09
Cost. I get a lot more range time with my 9mm. More range time improves my skills and therefore the added benefits of .40 SW are negated overall.

I also own .45 ACP pistols, so why introduce something in between? Just for fun?

I own a G22 but I rarely shoot in in .40 SW as it is my 9mm threaded barrel host. Compared to other rounds in which I keep ammo stocked, I have 100 rounds of 9mm to every single round of .40 at home.

mongo356
11-04-2008, 11:24
Why are you selling them mongo356? All you need to do is buy the corresponding size 40 barrel for $129 + shipping in most cases.

They are for LE use (serial #'s) and just incase an attorney might make stink out of a different barrel in wrong gun.

DHart
11-04-2008, 13:01
All calibers and all guns are a compromise of one factor or another of competing objectives.

Forty is not known for being a very enjoyable caliber to shoot because it is very "snappy" in feel (as compared to forty-five, for example). A lot of folks don't particularly like the snappy feel of forty.

Most who consider .40 will be comparing it to the "gold standard" pistol defense caliber, .45 acp. Compared to .45acp, guns chambered in forty tend to have a little better capacity without a huge loss in stopping power, and forty can be a little less costly to shoot than .45. These can be good reasons to choose forty, if you can find a platform that you like shooting forty caliber with. But I still find .45acp more enjoyable to shoot and would prefer to defend myself with a .45 than with a .40. I do like high capacity, however. Now we get even deeper into the world of compromise... capacity vs. potency.

I can see both 9mm and .45 acp as somewhat better choices, but for different reasons.

A G19 with 15 rounds of hot 9mm on board is an excellent defense gun, great capacity for it's size, relatively economical to shoot, and very enjoyable to shoot. But potency really isn't up to .45 acp! Still, well placed 9mm +P defense bullets can be very effective indeed.

A G21 with 14 rounds of .45 acp on board is also an excellent defense gun and very enjoyable to shoot. Excellent potency, very good capacity, but not great as a CCW gun, though do-able for some people.

My G23 is not so enjoyable to shoot and has been ever so slightly less reliable than my 19, 30, and 21SF, but it does have good capacity and stopping power for it's size. Not a bad choice, not great either. Numerous compromises involved here.

Forty can be viewed as having better capacity and a little less expensive to shoot than .45, and better power than .9mm.

Forty can also be viewed as worse capacity than 9mm, more costly to shoot than 9mm, and less power than .45!

Is the glass half full or half empty? You decide that.

That said, it is a reasonable choice in caliber, if you can find a platform which you enjoy shooting it in.

For forty, I've got a couple of Browning Hi-Powers in .40, an M&P 40 Compact, a G23, and most recent acquisition, an STI Edge in .40. Of them all, the G23 is the least enjoyable to shoot, I really don't like shooting it at all - compared to other choices. My G29 and G23 are my least favorite Glocks simply because they are not as enjoyable to shoot as my G19, G30, and G21SF.

The Hi-Power forty, M&P 40C, and Edge all handle .40 surprisingly comfortably. But the Edge is by far the nicest shooting .40 I can imagine, due to it's size, weight and build quality... so smooth, so stable, and great capacity (17-rnds in the standard mag, 20-rnds in slightly extended mag).

Competition shooters typically choose the Edge in 40 and shoot the lightest loadings they can get by with that still qualify as major. Light .40 loadings are more enjoyable to shoot for most people than full power forties... especially in a luxury gun like the Edge. I choose my Edge for defense duty, however.

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Edge.jpg

RED64CJ5
11-04-2008, 13:32
All calibers and all guns are a compromise of one factor or another of competing objectives.

Great post. :thumbsup:

Giggity-Giggity
11-04-2008, 20:12
Thanks for all your input. I feel very narrow minded in just owning Glocks in .40S&W. Maybe later down the line, I'll end up with a G17 or G21SF. But so far the .40S&W adds a little spice to my shooting sessions.

I guess I'm that guy with the one gun.

Thanks again! Please continue on your thoughts on the caliber.

Glock Kommando
11-05-2008, 00:32
Also depends on where you live. Here in Tulsa the .40 is popular cause you can find plethora of ammo in various types and flavors. Also there is a strong 9mm following, but when I go to my local gun store .40's are being bought almost all the time. I know my local police supply sells M&P .40's 5 to 1 over the M&P 9.

G26S239
11-05-2008, 19:20
At the BATFE web site their stats show the Glock 22s and 23s as being Glock's #1 and 2 sellers respectively for the year 2006. That is not all Police sales either, I owned a 22 that I traded for a 357/40 SIG P239 and still own a G27 and a 32 with a 23 barrel. Two of my brothers own G22s and 40 pistols and ammunition are very easy to find at any gun shop or gun show.

SDGlock23
11-06-2008, 10:57
I've also wondered why so many, at least on GT, dislike the .40 for some reason. If I had to pick just one caliber, it would be the .40 since you get 9mm like capacity with better than .45 performance. I like to think of it as a flatter shooting, more "spicy" .45.

I own three, a G27, G23 and G35. I wouldn't mind a G22, but the G35 is essentially the same except it has a longer slide. I do have a LoneWolf Glock 24 barrel for the 35 and via reloading, it can put out some very impressive numbers.

Some guys say the .40 isn't as effective as the .45, but practically nobody argues that the .45 is better than the 10mm. Well, the .40 can easily get 10mm like performance when you reload, so likewise, it's a no brainer that the .40 is definitely a step above the .45.

Also, I've got thousands and thousands of pieces of .40 cal brass, so to me it's also very cheap to shoot.

Officer's Match
11-07-2008, 10:47
An aspect of the 40 I appreciate is that I'm more confident in the 40's performance in shorter barreled ccw pistols. I carry a P2000SK loaded with 155gr JHP Rangers. I am not entirely comfortable with 45acp in lengths under commander size. Ditto 9mm as the velocity advantages it has are mitigated by shorter barrels IMO.

1006
11-09-2008, 07:17
I think a lot of good stuff has been posted here. So, here is my 2 cents worth.

The forty domintes in two arena's Law Enforcement and IPSC/USPSA Limited catagory sport shooting. For all other IPSC/USPSA catagories, general plinking, IDPA, PPC, Steel Shooting, and from a reloadiing perpective -- the 9mm and 45 offer the advantage of being easier to score points and being more forgiving.

ramblinoak
11-09-2008, 09:04
i will stick with my 40 calibers............

G22 G35 Baby Eagle..............

ramblin

FLAHOTROD
11-09-2008, 11:14
Okay, I guess I'll be the one to open Pandora'a Box...

Do you have any real data to back that up or is that simply your opinion based on your experiences and preferences?

Rick

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I like the .40. I have two guns chambered for it and am looking for a G22 to add to my collection. I see no reason to move "up" to a .45 or "down" to a 9mm. Nothing against those rounds, but I am happy with the .40 and plan to stay with it.

G33
11-09-2008, 11:34
:supergrin::supergrin:I have .40 barrels fro my glocks and Sigs.
Why?
So I can steal ammo from the Trooper next to me.

:supergrin::supergrin:

kirgi08
11-09-2008, 12:50
I like the .40sw.It's my EDC.I have 9mm/.45acp,the .40sw is the best of both worlds.'08.

jbremount
11-11-2008, 07:44
The .40 is very popular around my location. At the shooting range, .40 range brass is about as plentiful as 9mm range brass, therefore someone must be shooting a lot of .40 guns. The .40 is a great police cartridge and is a excellent self defense round.

Glockdude1
11-11-2008, 07:55
.40, .40, .40!!!!

:thumbsup:

Giddyupgo55
11-12-2008, 17:46
I have both a glock 23 and a 21sf The first thing I noticed is the 21 is easier to control. Does that mean I'll get rid of my 23 NOPE I have no problems with the recoil at all and I have had the 23 about 8 years or so. Its a keeper.

HogGlocker
11-13-2008, 18:34
Originally Posted by Dean
A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety.


Word.......
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word...word

Been shooting the forty since I had my 4006...have never stopped...

DRT
11-13-2008, 19:00
Most .40 haters just aren't good enough shooters to employ it effectively. Rather than admit that their skills aren't adequate to master a .40, they talk it down due to their bruised egos, and then choose a round with lesser capability that they can handle.

trigger45
11-13-2008, 19:06
just got back from hunting. took my g23 with. great woods gun. was shooting 25 and 50 yards at the range. befor i left. but wanted a deer. thought .270 for deer and .40 for any thing that might pop up. lots of coyotes and hogs.

lilc
11-13-2008, 19:11
I love .40, and I think the G23 is the best all-around Glock. :cool:

DHart
11-13-2008, 19:15
The G23 with it's tidy-compact G19 size, .40 cal potency, and near amazing 14-round capacity makes the G23 a very remarkable CCW choice - possibly the best all-around choice one can make!

Edited to add... I just pulled my G23 out of the safe to shoot a bit and while it really is the ideal size, capacity, and good potency, for a carry gun, it's definitely not the most "enjoyable" platform to shoot .40 defense load from - for me anyway. I've come to really only enjoy .40 caliber in a heavier gun, like the Hi-Power or, especially, the Edge. Surprisingly, my M&P40 Compact is definitely more enjoyable to shoot than my G23, but unfortunately, the capacity on the M&P40 Compact is 11 vs. the G23's 14.

No single choice is perfect in every way!

kirgi08
11-13-2008, 19:20
In the .40sw format,The G23 is the best EDC/CCW pistol out there.'08.

SergeantC
11-16-2008, 16:31
It seems to me that .40 is a caliber you either love or you hate.

I started shooting with .40 caliber in a G22, and have never had a problem with it. I very quickly decided after only a couple of shots that the recoil was nothing I couldn't handle. I like the gun, I plan to keep it, and I may add more guns in .40 if I can (I wouldn't mind a SiG P229, for example.) I also have a G23 that I like a great deal. It may be the ideal Glock, at least for me.

Those who love the .40 like that it is more effective than a 9mm, and holds more ammunition than a .45, all in a package the size of a 9mm handgun.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and risk getting flamed, by saying that, so far, I've noticed that it seems to be two main groups who don't like the .40. These groups are people who have staked out a side in the 9mm vs. .45acp debate, and fans of the 10mm.

The first group don't like it because it is a decent compromise between their two calibers, and is thus and intruder and a red-headed stepchild to them.

And fans of the 10mm don't seem to like .40 because they regard it as a watered-down version of the 10mm for wusses.

All I can say is, if you like it, good, and if you don't like it, fine. You probably won't convince anyone either way. We all have to decide for ourselves what makes, models, and calibers we like.

G26S239
11-16-2008, 18:25
Get the 229 SergeantC, not only is it a great 40 but it is ideal for the 357 Sig.

sheepman
11-18-2008, 06:20
I must be living in a cave! the 40 S&W is not popular? I thought that the 41 mag and the 10mm were not popular but not the 40, well you learn something every day. Personally the 40 is not all that different than the 9mm or 45 for my needs and I have all three. Not being an LE or going in harms way my shooting is for target and most of my ammo is hand loads. The guns in 40 that I have had were all a little more accurate off the bench than the same guns in 9mm and about equal to to my 45. Also for me there is little difference in recoil between the 40 and 45 with the same bullet weight, the 9mm has less as the bullets are lighter. I like all three. --Bill :upeyes:

redhawk500
01-24-2009, 18:30
I for one don't love the .40 S&W, but have come to appreciate it's virtues. My wife has tried various carry guns. Two inch .38 Spl not accurate enough, too short sight radius. Next was S&W model 66 3" .357 S&W Magnum, too heavy. She left it in the car. Springfield Arms XD45, too big, poor accuracy in her hands. Finally she tried Kahr 40 which she carries, 7 shots, adequately low recoil, adequate accuracy in her hands. Now we see me, first I tried 10mm Glock 20. Powerful, high capacity compared to single stack Kimber Target II. Ammo is an issue. If I leave home, I carry a supply, 200 grain WFNGC Double Tap or 180 grain Georgia Arms Speer Gold Dots. The 40 S&W is availabe. The Glock 20 grip is too fat. My fingers are short but hands normal. What to do? I visited the local gun shop looking for a Glock 22. I had no luck but they did have a longer barreled, adjustable sight version, the Model 35. 180 grain from 900 to 1000 fps. Not as powerful as the 10 mm, not a .45 ACP, but a match for the wife's Kahr in caliber. It works in the Glock well enough. The adjustable sight and long sight radius may make it a hunting pistol. Slightly lighter trigger pull too. Packaging can tip the scales despite somewhat reduced performance. We are a .40 S&W family.

Rusty Guns
01-25-2009, 11:41
I have two 23's, and a 24, and soon will be getting another 22, and like all of them.
I also have a 17L, and a 19.
I have two 21's, and several 1911's.
I like all three callibers, each in its own way, and for its own reason.
Yes ammo is cheaper in 9mm, and on up to 45cal.
And I need to start reloading my own but just havn't got there yet.

I like all of my Glocks, in all of the callibers.
I also look forward to getting 9mm, and 40 cal on a 1911 platform.
I tend to shoot the best with my Glocks, but I'm no slouch with the 1911's either.

Rusty

fastbolt
01-25-2009, 13:26
Why is the .40S&W unpopular?

Unpopular with whom?

LE has been adopting it to a pretty significant degree.

The military? A subject unto itself. Not really relevant.

If you're talking about the regular commercial firearm buying public, then it might be fair to postulate that the amount of felt recoil is likely involved to a significant degree. The cost of ammunition might be relevant, too.

Having been witness to watching LE users transition from 9mm platforms to .40 S&W and .45 ACP platforms, I've had the opportunity to both watch some recoil sensitivity and listen to it being expressed by LE shooters, so it does seem the increased felt recoil found in the .40 S&W cartridge may make an impression on the 'average' person who isn't necessarily an ardent firearms enthusiast. Not surprising. If folks couldn't shoot .38 Special out of revolvers chambered in .357 Magnum it might make for a bit less interest in revolvers chambered in the Magnum cartridge.

Anyway, .40 S&W has made significant inroads among LE users.

I was one of those folks who tried a couple of early production G22/23 pistols in 1990 and just didn't feel the cartridge had much to offer over the 9mm and .45 ACP. I knew the CHP had just adopted it, and I thought I'd wait and see how it fared with them after being in-service a while.

Approx 10 years later I got around to deciding it was time to re-evaluate the cartridge and its performance within the LE field. It had done rather well, overall. I decided it was time to try one.

Not quite 10 years later I've carried a couple of issued service weapons chambered in the cartridge, and I just ordered my 5th personally-owned pistol chambered in it. Guess it grew on me. ;)

I still prefer the 9mm and .45 ACP cartridges, overall, but there are some inherent qualities I like about the .40 S&W.

Now, getting back to the 'average' handgun owner who doesn't enjoy leisure or sport shooting, weekend informal competitive shooting venues and who probably won't fire more than a box or two of ammunition a year, if that, or may not fire his/her pistol at all except as required for a concealed carry license (if applicable, depending on state law) ... then the felt recoil issue may be enough to cause some folks to either avoid the .40 S&W, or try one and then trade it in for a lesser recoiling (less pronounced muzzle whip/snap) caliber.

I've certainly seen some folks who fall into one or another of those categories who exhibited noticeable flinch, hesitation or reduced accuracy when shooting a .40 S&W pistol compared to one chambered in a lesser recoiling caliber.

40 Cal Joe
04-27-2009, 17:23
As a life long .45 shooter, I will tell you I have jumped head long into the 40 cal.

I prefer the 40 for weight, mag capacity and size. Although 45's come in a variety of sizes as does the 40, I do not like the recoil of the compaact or subcompacts in 45. The 40 is more manageable in the smaller weapon.

I find the recoil in the full size 40 comparable to a full size 45.

The 45 has been around for 100 + years and has billions of devotee's. The 40 has been around for 20 years. The 10 mm will die before the 40 does.

SDGlock23
04-27-2009, 20:14
I'm definitely a fan of the .40 and I don't think the .40 is generally unpopular at all. Some complain about the recoil, which is beyond me. Also people generally tend to boast about what they own. A lot of people buy 9's, and that's what they defend. Many still think the .45 is the undisputed king, and nothing else can compare. I like what the .40 offers. I don't just own .40's, but I still like the .40 the best.

scoose
04-27-2009, 20:40
I didn't know the 40 was UNPOPULAR...

In the family we have the G22, two G23's, G27, G35, Baby Eagle, 4006 Smith and a Para Ordinance. ( I think thats it ) We enjoy every one of them!!

My dad reloads all of our ammo, and with the right load, every one of these pistols is a dream to shoot ALL DAY LONG. Granted, with factory ammo they are a little "snappier" but not nearly the monster some of the 9mm folks like to make them out to be :upeyes:

I guess it's all in what you get used to :dunno:

The accuracy of the .40 cal glocks IMHO is amazing. My first glock was the 27 and my first day on the range I was hammering a 12" gong at 50yds over and over and over. All I could do was laugh :wow: I honestly couldn't believe that "little pistol" was capable of such a thing.

Anyway I laugh at the haters. The .40 is a very versatile round that has a wide range of reloading data for everything from daily plinking to GREAT SD rounds. :cool:

voyager4520
04-28-2009, 06:59
40 is unpopular because people hear so many bad things about it without trying it. Only thing that comes close to beating 40 in autos is the 357 sig, which is a 9mm in a 40 casing.

Edit: Yeah there are gonna be the 45 shooters hating all over that comment, but in terms of combined capacity, stopping power, penetration, accuracy, and range, you just can't beat 40 in auto, except like I said maybe the sig.

Edit2: Forgot velocity.

Blitzer
04-28-2009, 07:27
More felt recoil than a .45 acp.

Not as effective as a .45 acp.

So there is your answer.

I have one because I have to for the SO.


Please provide links to substantiate your claims? :dunno:

As far as the other posters' claims of "FELT RECOIL" it handles just fine in my HK P2000sk?

:whistling:

voyager4520
04-28-2009, 08:29
"More felt recoil"

No, not really. Just more snap.

"Not as effective"

Again, different loads are better for different situations. 45 is better up close and better against light body armor. Overall though, like I said, 40 or 357 sig.

G23c
04-28-2009, 12:45
Thanks for all your input. I feel very narrow minded in just owning Glocks in .40S&W. Maybe later down the line, I'll end up with a G17 or G21SF. But so far the .40S&W adds a little spice to my shooting sessions.

I guess I'm that guy with the one gun.

Thanks again! Please continue on your thoughts on the caliber.

I love the .40. while some say its a compromise, I see it as the best of both worlds, caliber and capacity. every Glock I have is .40. my favorite shooting is my G23c (actually a G23 mag-na-ported back in the day). fun to shoot, no significant difference to me (subjective) than the .45, but more recoil than 9mm.

just glad that we have choices and live in a great country that lets us enjoy the shooting sports. :wavey:

G23c
04-28-2009, 12:48
40 is unpopular because people hear so many bad things about it without trying it. Only thing that comes close to beating 40 in autos is the 357 sig, which is a 9mm in a 40 casing.

Edit: Yeah there are gonna be the 45 shooters hating all over that comment, but in terms of combined capacity, stopping power, penetration, accuracy, and range, you just can't beat 40 in auto, except like I said maybe the sig.

Edit2: Forgot velocity.

that is a good point, the .45 is a classic and the 9mm is everywhere. they need to shoot one, the .40 is sporty.

plasticslap
04-28-2009, 12:50
I've also wondered why so many, at least on GT, dislike the .40 for some reason. If I had to pick just one caliber, it would be the .40 since you get 9mm like capacity with better than .45 performance. I like to think of it as a flatter shooting, more "spicy" .45.

I own three, a G27, G23 and G35. I wouldn't mind a G22, but the G35 is essentially the same except it has a longer slide. I do have a LoneWolf Glock 24 barrel for the 35 and via reloading, it can put out some very impressive numbers.

Some guys say the .40 isn't as effective as the .45, but practically nobody argues that the .45 is better than the 10mm. Well, the .40 can easily get 10mm like performance when you reload, so likewise, it's a no brainer that the .40 is definitely a step above the .45.

Also, I've got thousands and thousands of pieces of .40 cal brass, so to me it's also very cheap to shoot.

My thoughts exactly. I love my .40 's

DriBak
04-29-2009, 20:59
I drank the kool aid years ago and own a pair of 23's a 27 and a 22. I'm not a racist so I also own a 17 and a 30 :)
The kool aid I speak of is that when the .40 hit the market the selling points were "the capacity of a 9mm with the power of a .45ACP"

rrog
04-30-2009, 07:33
I'm not a racist so I also own a 17 and a 30 :)



I think that speaks very highly of your upbringing since you're so willing to show good will and acceptance towards all. The world would be a better place if there were more like you.

:rofl:

(sometimes I crack myself up)

rrog

BManoftheyear
04-30-2009, 18:18
Wow I haven't thought about this much but I will tell ya what I have heard from other shooters.

The round is inaccurate.
The recoil is too snappy
Uncontrolable
Ammo costs
weaker then a 45
wont do anything my 9mm wont do

I have heard a few others but I think this about sums it up.Some people just cant handle the recoil.Yes the 40 is snappy but I like it very much.
Plus 40 is the only ammo ever available at my local walmart

johnsonabq
04-30-2009, 18:52
Ya know... I've heard people say that the .40 doesn't perform as well as the .45, but every time I look at stats it out performs. What's up with that?

BManoftheyear
04-30-2009, 19:04
I think that .40 is the ebst caliber.It can be loaded very light or it can be loaded heavy.
I think there is a reason why so many PD's have their leo's using the .40.

Everytime i go to Giant eagle I see the leo with his 40. cal glock.Makes me happy to see the .40 getting the love it deserves.

rrog
04-30-2009, 19:27
The round is inaccurate.
The recoil is too snappy
Uncontrolable
Ammo costs
weaker then a 45
wont do anything my 9mm wont do
Plus 40 is the only ammo ever available at my local walmart


I've said this before (maybe even in this thread - it's been around a while), but I'll say it again. All but two of the above-mentioned points are subjective, meaning they're basically personal preference and opinion. With that said, let me add my thoughts as well.

"The round is inaccurate" I've won trophies with the round, using a Glock 23 with a Federal barrel, shooting against $1200-$1500 1911 .45's.

"The recoil is snappy/uncontrollable" That's largely a personal opinion issue. I have no problem with it.

"Weaker than a 45 and won't do anything my 9/mm won't do" Just a few years ago I read an article by Massad Ayoob which documented three of the top four performing rounds for police on a national scale were .40's. The fourth one (which I believe came in at #3) was a .45. Those numbers may be different now, but still, I'm not buying into the belief that it's not as good as the .45 and not any better than a 9mm.

"Ammo costs and Plus 40 is the only ammo ever available at my local walmart" Here in the Knoxville area, that is mostly true. And it's more expensive than 9mm and less expensive than the .45. The price seems to illustrate the premise that the .40 round is a good "compromise" between the 9mm and .45.

Just my 2 cents. YMMV.

Edited to add: I'm with you, BMOTY.

rrog

BEARDOGGER
05-03-2009, 16:56
I really enjoy my .40 in the 23c .. The recoil is very manageable(i dont think much more than the 9mm I shot today) , ammo is very comparable to the 9mm (around here anyways) , and is more accurate (in my hands anyways) than my .45 ..
I also like the 9mm but ammo is hard to come by now days around here ..
As was said you either love the .40 or hate the .40 .lol

BuckyP
05-03-2009, 18:24
The forty domintes in two arena's Law Enforcement and IPSC/USPSA Limited catagory sport shooting. For all other IPSC/USPSA catagories, general plinking, IDPA, PPC, Steel Shooting, and from a reloadiing perpective -- the 9mm and 45 offer the advantage of being easier to score points and being more forgiving.

I have a 34 and a 35. With proper reloads, the 35 shoots softer in my opinion. I really love the 35. I shoot production / IDPA SSP most of the time. Recently I went to a last minute 3 gun match. Since there was no time to dust off the STI and get used to it, I put a heavier spring in my G35, grabbed 3 19 round magazines (2 hold 20 if you really need it), and ta'da instant limited gun with the exact same feel as my production gun (being it IS the same gun), albeit with a little more recoil (using major ammo instead of minor).

G23c
05-03-2009, 21:58
I really enjoy my .40 in the 23c .. The recoil is very manageable(i dont think much more than the 9mm I shot today) , ammo is very comparable to the 9mm (around here anyways) , and is more accurate (in my hands anyways) than my .45 ..
I also like the 9mm but ammo is hard to come by now days around here ..
As was said you either love the .40 or hate the .40 .lol

I love the .40, I have the G22c, G23c and the G27. they get along great :smootchie:

ChordsBail
06-08-2009, 12:49
HATRED TOWARDS .40'S??? Not I!! I own nothing but .40's and also laugh at the more recoil than a .45 or snapiness of a .40 .They have not shot both calibers in the same model, i.e. regular,sub,and compact. I have shot the following G 17,17c,19,20,21,22,23,26,27,30,36 and I own the 23 and 27 one time I owned a 19 only to trade it for a 23 :) sorry LEO around the states speak for the round their self it is the most owned round for LEO in the U.S. fact.I Carry a G-23 and on really good days a BHP in .40 and a 27 as my B.U.G.....The 23 is worn 80% of the time (DO NOT like the idea of sleeping with it on lol) and has saved it 3 times and been in a gun on gun situation will not say anymore ;) . It is almost as accurate as my 2k BHP so yeah its a beast and an excellent buy!!!

Tattau
06-08-2009, 16:08
When I agonized over my first handgun purchase, I read all that I could about the 9mm/40sw/45acp debate. I settled on the 40, mainly following the LEO trend. I'm s glad that I made the right decision.

What has me laughing all the way to range now is when I g to Wally World to pick up some blazer brass, I'm in line with people wanting 45's, 9mm's, and even 22LR's... I'm the only one leaving with an arm-load of ammo.

No 45 acp shipping in soon. 9mm is bought up within a day of arrival, 22LR stock wont be in until September!?!?! (which sux cause that;s my second favorite round) But I am loaded down with range feed for months.

X-Phile336
06-16-2009, 16:36
My department has issued G22’s for the past 13 years, and we’ve stuck with 180gr. Speer Gold Dots and have had zero problems with them. I did hear a guy who used to work for my department trash-talk the .40 on one occasion and said while others consider it to be a compromise round, he considers it to be a ‘sellout’ round because it doesn’t have the weight of the .45 or the capacity / penetration ability of the 9mm. I personally love the .40 and routinely carry either my G23C or G27 off duty. Due to cost reasons I will permit myself to own autoloaders in only 9mm (as I own a G19) or .40, as I simply cannot afford to stockpile a third or fourth cartridge right now (at least until I get my kids raised and moved out). A couple of years ago I did acquire a .45 Springfield Armory, which I absolutely despised and quickly traded off for another .40. The .45 may arguably be a good round, but I feel the technology of the 1911 design is too old and cumbersome in this age of modern double action autos. I don’t find the felt recoil of the .40 to be a problem at all and actually rather enjoy it, as I can’t help but to think that if I can feel it at my end, then by Newton’s 3<SUP>rd</SUP> law of physics, the threat I’m shooting at should also more-or-less feel the same thing.

Giggity-Giggity
06-16-2009, 17:40
Too much .40S&W love here.

Nytemare
06-16-2009, 17:46
Im not all technical or anything, but i love the .40. I have no problem firing it and have had no malfunctions out of the G22. I think too many people try to shoot throught recoil and can't thats why they hate. I have a lot of theories but i just wanted to say. I LOVE THE .40 S&W!!!

Maine1
06-16-2009, 20:24
While i do not love the 40, i see its purpose. I carry and shoot glock 20/21's.
I carry a 10mm full time. (whoever said the 40 can be loaded to 10mm specs is wrong, sorry!). I also have a LW 40 conversion barrel that allows me to use the REAMS of 40 brass i picked of our department range after qual time.

The round works, offfers good capacity and power over a 9mm. Its efficient at what it does.

IME, I see law enforcement laving the 9mm camp heading more for 40 or 45, based on the brass i pick up and the guns i see. LOTS of 40 in law enforcement, and many officers shoot it well.

I will say the 40 exists because the 10mm was not given a full day in court. I let petite women fire my G-20 with full powe loads and they are glowing afterwards. Recoil-at least in the G-20- is not as bad as a hot 45 in a G-21, the way i see it.

I am seeing more 357 sig, too.

jonm61
06-16-2009, 20:56
When I agonized over my first handgun purchase, I read all that I could about the 9mm/40sw/45acp debate. I settled on the 40, mainly following the LEO trend. I'm s glad that I made the right decision.

Same here. It was the beginning of the trend when I bought my first G23. I had read too many stories of 9mms bouncing off windshields and I wanted something that came in a smaller package than a .45 auto and held more rounds, so the .40 was the natural choice.

Most of the agencies I see carry .40s now. One of my friends works for an agency that issues Glock 22s and will allow them to carry, off duty, anything they qualify with.....as long as it's no larger than a .40. Naturally, he carries a 27 on his ankle & as his off duty gun.

His first Glock, which was a G30 because he was ALWAYS a .45/1911 guy, only gets to go to the range, or gets carried by his wife! :rofl:

BigFelipe
06-17-2009, 15:48
I love the .40 round. My Glock 23 is a wonderful pistol. I also have a .40 Ruger pistol & carbine, as well as an Astra sig clone and a Taurus 24/7c. You can't beat the round.

Good ballistics(up there with the 45),

Good capacity(up there with 9mm),

Reasonable ammo cost(about halfway between 45 and 9mm)

Ammo is more readily available(compared to 9mm and .45acp lately)

What's not to like?

As far as recoil, perceived(whatever that means) or otherwise, it's BS. A 5" .40 doesn't kick harder than a 5" .45 and it seems more comfortable in smaller guns. Yes it's more than a 9mm. So what? So is everything else that's bigger than a 9mm. Why should a round have the same kick as a 9mm? It's bigger and stronger. Of course it will kick harder, but it's not much more.

It's quite accurate if you can shoot, especially at longer ranges. Flatter and faster than the .45 giving it an advantage the farther out you go. people who don't think they are accurate just need to learn to shoot better.

I don't believe you could call it an unpopular round. It's a NATO caliber. In fact, I would be surprised if it hasn't surpassed the .45acp in popularity although it would be hard to find a solid source as to which is more widely used. All the LEAs around here still use it and while some have traded in there Glock 22s they adopted other brands(M&P,Sig) in the same .40 caliber.

My 1st Glock was a 23. I've had many different pistols of many different calibers over the years, but nothing covers all the bases as well as the .40.

nitrowolf_67
06-19-2009, 18:02
I love my Glock 22 RTF (.40 s&w) so much I bought two.Ive got the G 31 (357 sig) barrel and the Lone Wolf 9mm conversion and will be getting the 22 conversion soon.like having four guns in one.!!!!

Alta
06-20-2009, 03:39
Just remember that the minute you disrespect that Glock pistol it kills you, maims you, or kills an innocent. :drillsgt:

True of any gun so kind of irrelevent......

bac1023
06-25-2009, 20:49
I like the 40S&W, but like the 9mm and 45ACP much more.

cmcinc
06-25-2009, 21:44
Not unpopular for me. G23 was my first gun back in 1994 and then got the G27 in 1996. I have since added a few 9mm's, but for me I still prefer everything about the .40

sigcalcatrant
06-27-2009, 15:04
I wasn't a fan until I bought an H&K USP40f, in a deal too good to pass up. I now have three USP40f's, all different, a G22, and a P229. It's a very versatile round, handling almost as wide a variety of bullet weights as the .38 Special/.357 Magnum. Anyone that thinks the .40 S&W is too snappy should try a USP40f. This gun was originally designed for the round, and shoots unbelievably mild.

sigcalcatrant
06-27-2009, 15:27
It's a NATO caliber.
I have searched everywhere for official confirmation to support this. I couldn't find any. The only military organization that uses it is the U.S. Coast Guard. It would seem that it IS NOT a NATO caliber.

automan
06-29-2009, 13:11
I have searched everywhere for official confirmation to support this. I couldn't find any. The only military organization that uses it is the U.S. Coast Guard. It would seem that it IS NOT a NATO caliber.

I would say its an American caliber just like the 45 auto is an American caliber.

nitrowolf_67
06-30-2009, 10:34
there's lotsa love for the .40 in LE arenas. Also, just because not all on GT bows to the .40cal pistol god doesn't mean squat. It's very popular with competition shooters also. Gimmie my family of 4 any day of the week.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l257/hokiephoto/IMG_0017.jpg
VERY NICE COLLECTION!!!I'm GOING AFTER THE g23 NEXT.:cool:

LoadedTech
06-30-2009, 16:02
Being fairly new to the handgun world, I did 2 months of research on caliper, capacity, ballistics and ammo costs. I read many caliper war threads. Like most have said here, people will defend what they have/like. I wasn't even sure what my first gun was going to be in Feb. of this year. With all that in mind, I rented a few .40's and 2 different 9mm's from the range. A friend of mine had his .45 Taurus. Shot them all and I went with the G27. I like the glock safety's, and the .40's snappy-ness. The .40 is only a tad more then 9mm ammo. It seems to jump quite a bit to .45 and good luck finding 10mm. The ballistics were close between some 9mm and .40, I preferred the wound channels of the .40. So, IMO, after my research the .40 was the choice for me, and I couldn't be happier with it.

Alta
06-30-2009, 16:35
As a point of clarification, the 27 is snappy because it's so small - short grip, short barrel. I hear a lot about how "snappy" .40 is, but try shooting it out of a 35 or a 24. No snappiness - Hmmm. Perhaps because of more muzzle weight? Bigger grip? Better two handed shooting? I admit that the 27 is snappier than the 26, but not by much. So if you are looking towards concealment, I'd go with a smaller caliber (although a .41 mag with a 2" barrel looks pretty convincing). But as far as snappiness goes, my 35 behaves admirably, my 22 is perfectly controllable, 23 is acceptable, and my 27 makes my wrist sore after less than 100 rounds - that's a difference I can feel.

automan
07-01-2009, 06:10
Sevigny used a G23 for quite a while as his GSSF competition Glock. And .40 is caliber of choice in USPSC. In addition, a .40 out of a <4" barrel is harder hitting than 9mm or .45 except for maybe 185+P .45 auto. Can't really tell the difference in recoil in most .40s as compared to the .45 autos. But, I think 9mm is still best for competition because of low recoil.

sigcalcatrant
07-01-2009, 19:45
I would say its an American caliber just like the 45 auto is an American caliber.I agree. I DISagree that it is an official NATO cartridge. The only Glocks with NATO stock numbers are the G17 & and G19.

sigcalcatrant
07-01-2009, 19:48
But, I think 9mm is still best for competition because of low recoil.It's biggest advantage for competition is that it makes major caliber.

BuckyP
07-02-2009, 06:21
But, I think 9mm is still best for competition because of low recoil.

I shoot a G35 in Production because my down loaded .40s shoot softer than any 9mm load I could come up with.

automan
07-02-2009, 07:44
I shoot a G35 in Production because my down loaded .40s shoot softer than any 9mm load I could come up with.

In USPSC? But, if you reload 9mm then you'd shoot softer than 40. I'm assuming your reloading your .40 rather than buying factory .40?

If I could buy factory .40 that shoots softer than 9mm for target practice/competition, I'd be a happy camper.

BuckyP
07-02-2009, 07:53
In USPSC? But, if you reload 9mm then you'd shoot softer than 40. I'm assuming your reloading your .40 rather than buying factory .40?

If I could buy factory .40 that shoots softer than 9mm for target practice/competition, I'd be a happy camper.

Do you mean USPSA? I am reloading both .40 and 9mm. My .40 minor load shoots softer than any 9mm load that I have come up with, and belive me I've tried many. It's probably due to the fact that the 180 grain bullet can travel much slower to make the same PF as a 147.

automan
07-02-2009, 07:57
Do you mean USPSA? I am reloading both .40 and 9mm. My .40 minor load shoots softer than any 9mm load that I have come up with, and belive me I've tried many. It's probably due to the fact that the 180 grain bullet can travel much slower to make the same PF as a 147.

Yes, USPSA. Thanks.

jsm190
07-02-2009, 18:03
I like .40 as a good comprimise SD round. I have a 23 and 27 for defense and recently added a 19 for the range because it is cheaper to shoot and still has same trigger pull etc. as my others. If I need to conceal smaller I go to my Kahr MK40.

doctorxring
07-04-2009, 14:23
.

I think people just have prejudices on different calibers.


The 40 S&W can deliver a 135 grain bullet at 1350 fps.

A 357 Magnum revolver can deliver a 125 grain bullet at roughly the same
speed.

Any difference in performance between the two will be a function of bullet
construction.

Yet the 357 Mag load is defined as the standard "lightning round" against
which all others are compared, and some, like the 357 Sig seek to emulate.

My $0.02 is that the 40 S&W, loaded with proper bullets for the task at hand,
is more or less ideal for the defensive pistol with current pistol design.


i.e. A person that says that the 9mm and the 45 ACP are better than the
40 S&W has trapped themselves in a ballistic box.

.

fastbolt
07-04-2009, 15:07
Thread still going, huh?
I think people just have prejudices on different calibers.

I somewhat agree. People often seem to choose calibers for reasons which differ from those expressed by other folks. I'm sure if different ammunition color themes were available it would also influence the choice of some folks. ;)

Well, I received my M&P 40c ... which is my 5th pistol chambered in .40 S&W ... and have since decided that while it's a fine compact-size pistol, it isn't going to completely replace my G27 for those times I decide to carry a .40 S&W.

It's not specifically a felt recoil issue, either. I grew up shooting Magnum revolvers and being an avid handloader.

It's more of a recoil management, recovery & controllability issue for my specific desires under certain potential circumstances which may (or may not) occur when I carry guns as dedicated defensive weapons ... especially when shooting under more difficult conditions (cover/barricade, shooting while moving and shooting at a moving threat target, as well as incorporating 1-handed shooting - both strong & off-side - under these conditions).

I spent some years carrying and training with pistols chambered in all 3 major calibers - 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP - and I had a couple of issued .40 S&W pistols I liked quite a bit. However, I could always wring some level of increased potential controllability and practical accuracy under the more difficult training circumstances out of the 9mm & .45 ACP guns compared to the .40 S&W guns. Not noticeable sometimes ... but noticeable at some times.

Just depends what an owner/user expects and thinks will be acceptable under their anticipated circumstances.

Standing on the firing line in a controlled range environment doing timed fire is a bit different than engaging multiple threat targets while moving, seeking & using cover and having to change hands. Some extreme conditions and circumstances may allow some folks to experience an advantage with one or another caliber and/or design handgun. Some folks might even realize an advantage under not-so-extreme conditions, too. Just depends.

There are some folks who simply like to feel more recoil and experience a lot of muzzle blast.

Just depends.

LE is adopting the .40 S&W increasingly faster. The reasons may vary.

Ordinary non-LE owners will have their own reasons for buying whatever they choose.

Just depends. ;)

I'll keep my various full-size, compact & subcompact pistols, and even carry one or another of them upon occasion (and continue to train/practice with them as I feel appropriate).

I'll just choose to carry one of my compact/subcompact 9mm pistols for my retirement CCW needs more often ... maybe sometimes even one of my many .45 pistols ... when I'm not carrying a J-frame.

doctorxring
07-05-2009, 14:34
.

If prejudice increases confidence, I'm all for it !


:cool:

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mikeyglock
07-11-2009, 15:44
I've seen many caliber wars here and it never ceases to amaze me when I hear that the .40 sucks, is an inherently inaccurate round etc... In this thread however, no one has mentioned the tired old ,"Glock unsupported chamber, Ka-Boom therum." Nice to see that perhaps we have all move past that unfortunate(and for the most part inaccurate) part of .40 history. BTW people still spout that crap on other boards, just not as much here.

The .40 is here to stay. In my hands it's an excellent choice. For some, maybe not. May I suggest finding another less stressful activity? Macrame or professional pollow-fluffing?;)

Take Care Everyone,

mikey

AJSully421
08-05-2009, 00:36
I have had all sizes of the .40 glock but the 24... I really hated it in the 27, didn't like it in the 23, but love it in the 22 and 35.

My G22 RTF is a great shooter, and I can honestly tell you that the extra grab of the RTF frame keeps the gun settled in my hand for better double taps with high power SD ammo.

I have been back and forth with the .40... I started with it, went to 9mm, came back to .40, went to .45, dropped back to 9mm, and now I am coming back to .40 again.

THE PUNISHER
08-14-2009, 12:06
OK answer me this if the 40sw is "short and weak" then why all the "snappy recoil. Shoot a 20 gauge then a 12... more recoil right but who has more power. I know they will be somebody in here will have something to say,but the 44 mag have more recoil than a 44spl. All I`m saying is with power comes recoil and the 40sw isnt "short and weak"

fastbolt
08-14-2009, 14:48
Talked to a friend of mine who had just bought a couple more 9mm Glocks at a local cop shop's annual sale event.

He said that he was told by the Glock LE dealer that of late the Glocks chambered in .40 S&W weren't selling very well but that the 9mm and .45 ACP Glocks were doing fine. (Bear in mind that they don't sell to the regular commercial public.)

On that note, my friend told me that he's going to get rid of his G23 and trade it in on yet another G17.

His reason?

He carries a .45 ACP on-duty (not a Glock) and enjoys shooting his new G21SF. He likes his G19, G26 and his G17's.

He said he's able to experience better recoil management and controllability, overall, with his 9mm & .45 ACP guns than with his G23 (using 180gr loads, too).

He apparently just decided he has no use for the G23 and doesn't like it as well simply because of how the increased recoil costs him fractions of a second when addressing various range training/qual courses-of-fire involving multiple targets, spread fire, etc.

One more used G23 will be up for sale, it seems.

I can't fault his reasoning. He understands his capabilities, skills and how effectively he can use his different service caliber weapons.

I thought of this thread when he told me this ...

trigger45
08-14-2009, 16:44
just went to the range with my son(and DQ after bought him an ice cream cone. the grin from my 21 year old son is just as cool as when he was younger) he shot just as well with either the .40 or the 9mm. but perfered the 9mm. i did the same but ill take the .40.

Taterhead
08-17-2009, 11:36
[quote=DHart;11647143]I've come to really only enjoy .40 caliber in a heavier gun,quote]

That is why I prefer to shoot .40 cal bullets in 10mm auto. The super heavy slide and the wide grip of the G20 really eats up recoil. For the performance, recoil is insignificant in the G20 platform. The G20 with cartidges loaded down to mid-level .40 S&W velocities is a *****cat compared to the G22. 10mm auto factory ammo is expensive. If you re-load, however, the ammo price between 10mm auto and .40 S&W is negligible.

G26S239
08-17-2009, 14:48
OK answer me this if the 40sw is "short and weak" then why all the "snappy recoil. Shoot a 20 gauge then a 12... more recoil right but who has more power. I know they will be somebody in here will have something to say,but the 44 mag have more recoil than a 44spl. All I`m saying is with power comes recoil and the 40sw isnt "short and weak"A friend of mine likes to say short and weak. He is a 1911 enthusiast who bought my Delta Elite. Autumn of last year we were shooting together and I handed him my G27 loaded with hot 155 grain loads, after he shot about three rounds out of it he set it down. I then asked him how short and weak the cartridge felt to him, he grudgingly acknowledged that it did not feel that weak. :supergrin:

Blitzer
08-17-2009, 14:49
More felt recoil than a .45 acp.

Not as effective as a .45 acp.

So there is your answer.

I have one because I have to for the SO.


Your resources please? :dunno:

SDGlock23
08-17-2009, 16:14
If you re-load, however, the ammo price between 10mm auto and .40 S&W is negligible.

Maybe for some, but I think most people will agree the .40 brass is a bit cheaper. Not much cheaper if you buy new, but you can at least buy once fired brass if you want. Even better, when I go to the range, I pick up all the .40 (and 9mm and .45, etc.) brass that I can find. For this reason, free brass, the .40 is definitely cheaper to reload for.

nickE10mm
08-23-2009, 22:11
So, the only active thread in the ".40 Cal" forum is called "Why is the .40S&W unpopular?" ???

Alta
08-24-2009, 00:06
Which is funny since it's not unpopular

Gun Shark
08-24-2009, 00:08
.40 is fine I like the 9mm better because I shoot better with 9mm but I am still combat accurate with .22,9mm,.40,.45, .357 magnum.

nickE10mm
08-24-2009, 00:19
Yea, a bit funny because it IS, in fact, quite popular.

I've personally never been a .40 guy since I predominantly shoot 10mm (hehehe) but I just recently got a 10-40 conversion barrel for my G29 so I can plink for a lot cheaper and I found it quite nice.... and a soft shooter, too.

G26S239
08-24-2009, 00:44
On Saturday I just bought another 40. This one is a barely used AE date code HK P2000SK with night sights, only 550 rounds through it and comes with 4 magazines for $650. I live in the PRK so with the crap laws here I can't pick up my pistol until Sept 1st. This will bring my 40s up to six, a G32 (I shoot way more 40s than 357s in it), G27, SIGs P229 and P239 and an HK USPc 40.

txglocker23
08-25-2009, 20:23
i used to have a 9mm, but im happier now that i have my .40 cal

pennlineman
08-25-2009, 20:38
I just got a good deal on my first 40 a month or so ago (G23). I've shot since the late 70's thinking if I want a small one I'd get a 9mm or a .45 if I wanted a big one. When the 40 came along I just looked at it as something someone would choose if they couldn't make up thier mind between the two. I have no problem with the 40, but I don't see myself accumulating a lot of them. Maybe a G22.

glockluver
08-25-2009, 20:51
Imo why bother with the 40 just get a 10mm.

sigcalcatrant
08-30-2009, 18:46
Imo why bother with the 40 just get a 10mm.Because HK doesn't make a 10mm, ammo availability, variety, and price are poor, and no decent guns are available for the caliber. Yes, I have a G29.

sigcalcatrant
08-30-2009, 18:56
More felt recoil than a .45 acp.

Not as effective as a .45 acp.

So there is your answer.

I have one because I have to for the SO.

Your resources please? :dunno:He can't answer that because there are none.

Wodduk
09-01-2009, 18:08
I have a G22 that I've had for about 2 years. It is the most accurate and dependable Glock I have ever shot.
I've owned several in the past, but this G22 is a keeper.
Picked up a G17 RTF last week and hope it shoots as good. Range time next week.

Uomu
09-04-2009, 08:49
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First is the must accurate. Second is the easiest to access. Personally, after I studied a lot of ballistic material like Marshal, Shadow, Falcker etc (kinetic energy versus momentum, bullet shape vs bullet size, caliber vs techniques, bullet placement….. I found that .40 is the best choice for personal defense. But no one of is worth something in balance with mind set and willing to survive in a gun fight. If you a have a 44 mag in you hands and the predator is 3 yard from you, only mind set and willing to inflict damage to your opponent will count something. 40, 45, 9, 45 super, neither 50 AE will not stop the predator momentum, with the exception of brain hit or spine. <o:p></o:p>

sigcalcatrant
09-04-2009, 19:23
Five pages, still going, no name calling: very cool. I didn't realize that I was a .40 S&W guy, but after taking inventory today, I must be: three USP40f's, one P2000SK, one P229, one G22, and an XD40 that I won in a Friends of the NRA raffle and forgot I had. I had a G23, but hated shooting it, and sold it. I own more 9mm handguns, but I really enjoy shooting the .40's. I don't find the recoil uncomfortable at all, on any of them, except for the G23. It was more the recoil characteristics than the recoil itself. After about 200 rounds or so, my trigger finger would get sore from being pinched between the tip of the trigger and the trigger guard. My G32 doesn't bother me like that, so I tried the G23 barrel in it: same problem, so I sold it. If the G23 had been my first .40, I might not have bought anymore. Fortunately, my first one was a USP40f. Anyone that thinks the .40 kicks too much, or is too snappy, should try one. The 'Recoil Reduction System' works great. Shooting it side by side with my G22 really made me realize it's effectiveness, and the G22 is by no means harsh, it's very pleasant to shoot. Some claim high bore axis increases muzzle rise, or flip. I haven't found this to be the case at all. My USP's, or my P229, for that matter, exhibit no more rise than my G22. This isn't just my impression, observers from the side notice no difference either.

As for accuracy, they are as accurate as any SD round. Most .40 S&W handguns are more accurate than those doing the shooting. As for effectiveness against humans, they're as good as any, and better than others. As over used an expression as there is, and I cringe to use it, but it's more the indian than the arrow. While they may or may not be more effective than the best 9mm rounds against humans, and it is debatable, for use in stomping around the woods where mountain lions, black bear, or feral hogs may be encountered, I would rather have a .40 S&W (if those are the only two choices).
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writwing
09-05-2009, 13:39
When the 40 first appeared it was inaccurate, according to gun rags, and dont forget the (alleged?) kb problems with Glock and the 40.

Both of these issues have been satisfactory addressed IMHO.

As far as recoil I have found the 40 in a 229 to be very snappy, causing my wrist to torgue up. The 9 recoil is straight back and the 45 rolls. YMMV

I carry a 9 because it reminds me that tactics wins a fight NOT ballistics. IMHO

Steve in Az
09-23-2009, 15:37
The .40 isn't going anywhere. It was in the top 4 based on sales last year:

.357 Magnum
9mm
.40S&W
.45ACP

Customtle
09-25-2009, 14:39
No Bashing. Just a question to anyone saying a .40 isnt as effective as a .45.... Are you brave enough to stand in front of a loaded .40 cal handgun and take a shot???... and then say its not an effective round??? :tongueout:

BuckyP
09-25-2009, 14:56
No Bashing. Just a question to anyone saying a .40 isnt as effective as a .45.... Are you brave enough to stand in front of a loaded .40 cal handgun and take a shot???... and then say its not an effective round??? :tongueout:

While I do think that the .40 is more than adequate, this is such a ridiculous and overused argument. Admittedly, I believe you meant it as tongue and cheek with the :tongueout:, but seriously I would not stand in front of a .22 short, doesn't mean I consider it an effective means of self defense. :upeyes:

sigcalcatrant
09-28-2009, 19:56
If you take the top performing JHP in 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP you won't find a bit of difference in effectiveness between the three. The problem is, there is no way to prove one is superior.

kirgi08
09-28-2009, 21:09
Tomatoes/Tomatos.'08.

I prefer the .40sw/cap/pop and the 9mm may expand but the .40sw don't shrink.'08.

Yellowfin
09-28-2009, 21:19
I was a .40 user, now have that on suspension because I'm a hostage of the state of New York and have await my pistol license to resume with any caliber :steamed:

nolt
09-28-2009, 21:44
it wears last years clothes and gets shy around girls

kirgi08
09-28-2009, 22:44
Still defends when needed,though.'08.

TWS G26
10-04-2009, 11:04
I am late to this party; found the thread on a search.

Since 1991, I've owned Glocks in 9mm, .357 SIG, .40, .45 ACP, and 10mm. Currently, I have only a stash of G19's, but planning to aquire a G23 (or two) sooner rather than later. The info in this thread alone reinforces my decision to get the G23, which I would use for CCW, target practice, and ballistic testing purposes. There is a ton of great info and perspectives here, let's keep it going.

rrog
10-05-2009, 08:30
At the present time, one reason FOR using the .40 is that it ammo for it can be found more readily than both 9mm and .45 right now. I can usually find a few boxes of .40, but finding 9's and .45's is a lot harder.

rrog

MacG22
10-27-2009, 22:34
Wow. I love resurrected threads.

Anyone who says the .40 isn't a good round is just doing some "home cooking". Most will know what that means. But they have some other preference and want to try and make others look bad so their choices look good in comparison. Basic human behavior.

Back to the land of the rational, though, the .40 is a good round and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It's a bit bigger and more powerful than the 9mm, and a bit faster than the .45. So it has it's place.

Personally, I carry 9mm, .38spl, .40SW, and .45. I feel comfortable with all of them, and I know what they are all good for and what their limitations are. When I carry a .45, I know that it is a bigger but heavier round. It responds differently than the 9mm to things like wallboards, clothing, and windshield glass (see boxoftruth.com). In general I tend to like the .40SW the best, because in my experience, it's a good compromise between the two other rounds.

But as with most things... to each his own.

dances with guns
11-02-2009, 14:24
I, for one, have only .40S&W Glocks because I love the caliber.

I've already did the 9mm and .45ACP gig, and felt that the 40 is more fun to shoot. I laugh at the "snappiness".

So please tell me, with most giving up on the .40S&W, why do you still love it?


i'm thinkin of selling my 40cals as i can no longer get the ammo a lot cheaper than 45acp (which i like better anyway)

LEAD
11-02-2009, 14:47
http://hickorycovemusic.com/images/FortiesBig.jpg

den888
11-02-2009, 22:33
S&W .40 is not as popular internationally as it is in the US, that's one reason.

kirgi08
11-02-2009, 23:13
Most places outside the US ya can't get a bb gun.'08.

G23c
11-03-2009, 15:43
S&W .40 is not as popular internationally as it is in the US, that's one reason.

this is a good point. the 9mm is the king outside the US.

whenmonkeysfly
11-04-2009, 06:00
My CCW is a Glock 23 and it's probably my favorite gun of the herd. That being said, my favorites to shoot are the Glock 20 and the Glock 29. I like the 10MM because of it's versatility and it's what I like to reload the most. The .45ACP is a fine caliber. The 9MM is a fine caliber. I prefer the .40 S&W for defensive carry over the .45ACP, 9MM and/or 10MM. Law Enforcement around here carry .40 S&W - makes sense to carry what the GG's carry - availability of ammunition.

They're all good calibers, but if I had to choose one, I'd go with the .40 S&W. It's all about personal preference.

FarmerJoe
11-05-2009, 14:33
I just bought a .40s&w Kel Tec Sub 2000 and LOVE the damn thing. Dots the mark every time! I've been drilling holes clean through an 18" tree with 180gr Winchester JHPs consistantly. The increased range from having a 16 inch barrell, and the concealability have cause me to fall madly in love with this little carbine. I live in Maine and the way our conceal carry law reads, this rifle is not a concealed firearm in its folded state ... that's another thing that gives me the warm fuzzies.

zbysiu23
11-05-2009, 20:32
I am carrying my G27 for backpacking and G29 for car camping both with 200gr FMJ bullets for extra penetration.. for home protection I am sticking with 9mm and .45 both perfect for soft skinned predators and for extra controlability with safety slugs or HP.

dances with guns
11-06-2009, 02:02
i'm thinkin of selling my 40's because it's almost the same cost as 45acp now (and i like 45 better).

why should i pay the same $$ for a smaller round??

Centinul1911
11-06-2009, 03:01
Why is 40 SW so unpopular?

Couldn't prove that by me. All I see is people new to guns wanting to buy 40SW when they have never fired one and have no clue what it is or how much kick it has. All they know is that "No caliber is any good unless it has a 4 in the first number" and they run out and spend hundreds on a new pistol only to find that the 40SW has too much snap for them. They sell the gun at a loss shortly after they buy it only to have to add more money to their loss and buy a smaller caliber gun.

Also, 40SW is friggen hi in price. Where I live in Saint Louis, at WalMart the cheapest 40SW ammo is 23.00 for 50 rounds, and WM has the lowest prices that I can find.
For 23.00 I can buy two boxes of 9mm. 45 acp is almost as bad. 21.00 a box.
I loved shooting my XD40 when I had it, but the cost of ammo was killing me.

zbysiu23
11-06-2009, 17:31
$13.99 for 50 Federals at WalMart in Illinois..

dances with guns
11-06-2009, 18:58
Why is 40 SW so unpopular?

Couldn't prove that by me. All I see is people new to guns wanting to buy 40SW when they have never fired one and have no clue what it is or how much kick it has. All they know is that "No caliber is any good unless it has a 4 in the first number" and they run out and spend hundreds on a new pistol only to find that the 40SW has too much snap for them. They sell the gun at a loss shortly after they buy it only to have to add more money to their loss and buy a smaller caliber gun.

Also, 40SW is friggen hi in price. Where I live in Saint Louis, at WalMart the cheapest 40SW ammo is 23.00 for 50 rounds, and WM has the lowest prices that I can find.
For 23.00 I can buy two boxes of 9mm. 45 acp is almost as bad. 21.00 a box.
I loved shooting my XD40 when I had it, but the cost of ammo was killing me.

holy crap-there's no way i would pay more for 40 than 45!

Onegoodshot
11-07-2009, 20:25
The .40S&W took some getting used to for me. In my G23, I never really had fun shooting the .40. When .45 started getting hard to come by, and expensive, I started shooting my Sig 226R in .40. Then I bought a Sig 229 Gen 2, SAS. in .40. Now I really love shooting the .40S&W. The Sig Sauer pistols tame the snap better for me. The DA/SA action feels safe to carry.
I like having choices in ballistics that .40S&W offers. Took me awhile to come around to it, but now I'm a believer.

sigcalcatrant
11-08-2009, 01:14
Also, 40SW is friggen hi in price. Where I live in Saint Louis, at WalMart the cheapest 40SW ammo is 23.00 for 50 rounds, and WM has the lowest prices that I can find.
For 23.00 I can buy two boxes of 9mm. 45 acp is almost as bad. 21.00 a box.
I loved shooting my XD40 when I had it, but the cost of ammo was killing me.Come on, now. I just bought three fifty round boxes of Blazer Brass at the Wal-Mart by the JB bridge for $13.99 a box. At another Wal-Mart across the river in Cahokia I bought four 100 round WWB value packs for around $30 a box. You need to try a different Wal-Mart.

Scorpio3
11-09-2009, 20:50
most .40 haters just aren't good enough shooters to employ it effectively. Rather than admit that their skills aren't adequate to master a .40, they talk it down due to their bruised egos, and then choose a round with lesser capability that they can handle.

amen !!!!!!!!!

whenmonkeysfly
11-09-2009, 21:05
I really didn't know the .40 S&W was unpopular? It seems more popular now than ever and getting a bigger following everyday.

maynardwix
11-10-2009, 19:07
My G23 is the first handgun I bought, I have shot 9mm, .45's, but I love my .40.

PATRICE
11-14-2009, 06:58
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gunsmoke92
11-15-2009, 10:57
I don't think the .40 is unpopular, it just sets in one of the categories listed in these post. Folks either prefer another caliber more than the .40, focus on the price differences from one caliber to another, inter-nationally the 9mm would be the preferable round primarily due to availability, or find the .40 to"snappy" and haven't found a platform that they feel comfortable shooting it in. Of course, these same arguments could be applied to just about any caliber, just fill in the blank.

I fit in the last category, don't dislike the caliber, just took a while to find the right platform. I've had a number of G22s, 23s, and 27s, and after a short time let them go. I now have a S&W 4053 DAO, and for me, it is the platform that makes the .40 work. It has transformed the snappy feel to more of a push, has a great trigger, and is more accurate than I am.

Over half a million Law Enforcement Officers can't be wrong, although many use it by design, not by choice. With that exception, I'd say shoot whatever blows your skirt up.:whistling:

luv2brode
11-15-2009, 11:16
i have parted with all but 1 of my 40's and went to nines (i do have a 1911 45acp for playing with)
the ballistics of the nine have improved to where i feel just as comfortable with the nine now as with the others.

soulless
11-15-2009, 12:40
i think the 40 is good.. i own one...

45reloader
11-15-2009, 13:30
My G23 is the first handgun I bought, I have shot 9mm, .45's, but I love my .40.
+1 love the 40

whenmonkeysfly
11-15-2009, 15:18
Love all my 40's - G22, G23, G24C, G35 and two XD 40's. My G23 is my favorite of the 40's. Big fan of the G20 and G29 too - same bullet, just a magnum 40 - 10mm/.40 S&W reloader. G22 seems to be a favorite of law enforcement around these parts.

srice425
11-20-2009, 07:25
when it all comes down to it, the .40 is just as good as any other. you can compare all damn day long but the .40 can kill just like a .45 or a 9mm. there isnt a thing wrong with it and if anyone says that there is, let them get shot in the ass and tell you the same thing afterwards... haha. i mean really?

the .40 cal is a great round hands down. any half assed educated person cannot disagree.

srice425
11-20-2009, 07:28
$13.99 for 50 Federals at WalMart in Illinois..


same here in OK.

DarwinOSX
11-21-2009, 09:12
I love .45's but that is a silly thing to say.

More felt recoil than a .45 acp.

Not as effective as a .45 acp.

So there is your answer.

I have one because I have to for the SO.

sarge133
11-21-2009, 23:14
We too have $13.99 Federals here in Michigan. Just bought two boxes. Not because I wanted to leave some for other people, but thats all I had money for.

.40SW is my preferred round above all others. First shot it out of an XD40 three years ago, bought an XDM .40, shot that at competitions, sold it, bought a G22. I've found the G22 is perfect for me, very accurate in my hands.

G26S239
11-22-2009, 03:49
The .40 isn't going anywhere. It was in the top 4 based on sales last year:

.357 Magnum
9mm
.40S&W
.45ACPBecause a lot of us misguided souls don't know any better. :wavey: Personally I don't believe it splits the difference in power between the 9mm and 45 ACP, I believe it is closer to the ACP.

sigcalcatrant
11-23-2009, 16:09
Because a lot of us misguided souls don't know any better. :wavey: Personally I don't believe it splits the difference in power between the 9mm and 45 ACP, I believe it is closer to the ACP.I have an old Guns and Ammo Annual that lists velocity and energy figures for many common rounds. In terms of foot-pounds of energy, all three are fairly close, depending on load, of course. The smaller bullets achieve the energy with higher velocity.

G26S239
11-23-2009, 19:46
I have an old Guns and Ammo Annual that lists velocity and energy figures for many common rounds. In terms of foot-pounds of energy, all three are fairly close, depending on load, of course. The smaller bullets achieve the energy with higher velocity.
I have a pretty good idea where the energy figures are at. Initial surface area and mass contribute to hitting power.

c5 Erick
12-02-2009, 02:40
I recently switched from a G19 to a G23 for the simple fact of ammo availability. 9mm is really hard to find and if you can its priced as much as .40. Our Walmart also has Federal priced at 13.99 for 50. The ammo case has next nothing in it but had nearly 40-50 boxes of .40.

Brucev
01-08-2010, 20:33
If someone likes the 9mm, fine. I prefer a larger, heavier bullet in a pistol that offers good capacity and portability. The .45 ACP is a wonderful round. In the 1911 pistol it offers good power. But the capacity is limited to at best 8 rounds. The .40 S&W offers and excellent combination of bullet weight, velocity, magazine capacity (G-22 = 15 rds.), portability and practical accuracy. I will continue to use a variety of handgun calibers, but for SD/HD, I will use the .40 S&W with 180 gr. JHP bullets.

As far as why the .40 is so much more popular among LEO than the 9mm or the .45 ACP, it boils down to power, capacity, portability and practical accuracy. The .40 is available in pistols with grips that can be easily grasped by persons with small, medium and large hands. This is not true of the .45 ACP. Sincerely. Brucev.

Fire_Medic
01-08-2010, 22:12
Looking at the 2010 Glock annual it would seem like it's the most popular.

By the way shot my new G22 OD today and loved it. And a G24c followed me home afterwards.

:supergrin:

TangoFoxtrot
01-31-2010, 06:44
I have a G23 as a carry gun. I think I'll be getting a 40-9 converson barrel for 9mm practice. The .40 is a snappy round to shoot but is a man stopper.

PATRICE
01-31-2010, 07:16
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picturethis
01-31-2010, 07:19
The first Glock I ever shot was a friend's G22. He was talking up the recoil like it was a Desert Eagle, telling me to "hold on tight" and things like that. The .40S&W is not nearly as bad in terms of recoil as some would have you believe. A 9mm is an easier round to shoot, but it's not night and day. I love the .40 round and if I could only have a 9mm or a .40 I would take the .40 10 times out of 10.

whenmonkeysfly
01-31-2010, 08:00
Looking at the 2010 Glock annual it would seem like it's the most popular.

I agree! I believe the .40 is a very popular round.

Roering
02-01-2010, 10:56
I wouldn't say it's unpopular (But who knows???)
It does seem that people who don't like the .40 really don't like it. Or at least are rather vocal about it. I dig it for self defense, and like popping in a 40-9 barrell in it for variety. I only own 1 handgun so for me it's the best way to shoot different calibers.

Perhaps I should see about a .357 barrell next?

got_metal
02-01-2010, 16:44
I wouldn't say it's unpopular (But who knows???)
It does seem that people who don't like the .40 really don't like it. Or at least are rather vocal about it. I dig it for self defense, and like popping in a 40-9 barrell in it for variety. I only own 1 handgun so for me it's the best way to shoot different calibers.

Perhaps I should see about a .357 barrell next?

I too have a 40-9 barrel (LW) for my G22, nice variety to have and even a little cheaper, I am also considering a .357 SIG barrel next, but damn the ammo is expensive, so someday...

Opie 1 Kenopie
02-02-2010, 22:36
Hey boys, I just happen to have a .357 SIG Glock factory barrel that I have used only once. Either of you intersted in the barrell and 50 rounds of Cor-Bon SD ammo for $80.00? I'm in central California and can have it out to you in the mail same day. E-mail me. I dont check PM's too often.

G23c
02-03-2010, 11:23
I wouldn't say it's unpopular (But who knows???)
It does seem that people who don't like the .40 really don't like it. Or at least are rather vocal about it. I dig it for self defense, and like popping in a 40-9 barrell in it for variety. I only own 1 handgun so for me it's the best way to shoot different calibers.

Perhaps I should see about a .357 barrell next?

I think you are onto something, for some reason, the ones that dont like the .40 are very vocal about it. maybe they are feeling defensive about the 9mm or .45?

JETHRO29
02-03-2010, 12:11
A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety. Is it dangerous? Absolutely.

'You want a .45 for free? Get 180 grain bullets for your forty. There's your .45.
Get a Milt Sparks HN-55 holster and Speer Golddot hollow point bullets. Make the rest of it up yourself. Just remember that the minute you disrespect that Glock pistol it kills you, maims you, or kills an innocent. :drillsgt:


You said my brother!!!!!!!!!!

JETHRO29
02-03-2010, 12:13
wHO EVEN STARTED THIS thread?:dunno:
tHE .40 IS NOT unpopular!:shocked:
What planet is this guy living on?

jammer45
02-08-2010, 00:16
Those who say the 40 S&W is less than a 45acp I suggest all to Read Evan Marshall's ballistic testing on the comparison of calibers. I remember when the 40 was being released and I was looking at the 10mm cause all the FBI had them and all this and that hipe and bull crap. I bought a Glock 22 and loved it and all I can say is Don't shoot a deer with it @ 20yrds with black talons in the pipe, I might have gotten 30lbs of meat that was eatable LOL. That Black Talon tore it up and knocked it off its feet so I know I would not want to be shot with it.

Just a little history the 40 came from the 10mm when Evan Marshall was doing the study for the FBI on the 10mm round it seemed to be way to violent and untainable to to control good tight groupings and rapid fire. Then manufacture's started down loading them and calling them 10mm lite. Then S&W stepped in and said hey why we need all this brass if we and down loading why not shorten the casing and make it to where we can get more rounds into the magazine and bamm out came the 40S&W.

whenmonkeysfly
02-08-2010, 08:09
wHO EVEN STARTED THIS thread?:dunno:
tHE .40 IS NOT unpopular!:shocked:
What planet is this guy living on?

Totally Agree!

whenmonkeysfly
02-08-2010, 08:31
Those who say the 40 S&W is less than a 45acp I suggest all to Read Evan Marshall's ballistic testing on the comparison of calibers. I remember when the 40 was being released and I was looking at the 10mm cause all the FBI had them and all this and that hipe and bull crap. I bought a Glock 22 and loved it and all I can say is Don't shoot a deer with it @ 20yrds with black talons in the pipe, I might have gotten 30lbs of meat that was eatable LOL. That Black Talon tore it up and knocked it off its feet so I know I would not want to be shot with it.

Just a little history the 40 came from the 10mm when Evan Marshall was doing the study for the FBI on the 10mm round it seemed to be way to violent and untainable to to control good tight groupings and rapid fire. Then manufacture's started down loading them and calling them 10mm lite. Then S&W stepped in and said hey why we need all this brass if we and down loading why not shorten the casing and make it to where we can get more rounds into the magazine and bamm out came the 40S&W.

+1 I hope the guy who started this thread is still reading it. My primary carry is a G23 with Federal HST2 rounds. No question in my mind that my .40 will stop anything I run into out there with two legs. (And, some four-legged too!) :)

jammer45
02-10-2010, 16:02
Nothing like a Black Talon @ max. expansion and penetration, wow the aftermath is gruesome LOL. I shot and killed a Wild Boar today with the Glock 22 40cal with a black talon in the pipe WOW I wish I could have got that on Video. Brains Blood and Ect. was a big explosion of red when it hit the skull LOL.

Glock30 Guy
02-10-2010, 16:14
I love mine. Just takes getting used to the difference. I dumped all of my 9mm's and went with 40 and 45 for main carry guns. I like the G27 for it's ease of concealment, 9+1 capacity, stopping power. Sounds like the perfect combo but it's not for everyone.

SST2055
02-13-2010, 16:54
I own one Glock, a model 31. It is my carry weapon. The first accessory I bought for it was a .40 barrel which I use for all of my range shooting. The cost of .40 S&W saves a lot of money and has more than paid for the cost of the barrel.
When it comes time to carry, the .357 SIG barrel goes back in place.

mteagle1
02-14-2010, 19:07
Just a little history the 40 came from the 10mm when Evan Marshall was doing the study for the FBI on the 10mm round it seemed to be way to violent and untainable to to control good tight groupings and rapid fire. Then manufacture's started down loading them and calling them 10mm lite. Then S&W stepped in and said hey why we need all this brass if we and down loading why not shorten the casing and make it to where we can get more rounds into the magazine and bamm out came the 40S&W.

The story is almost true only the FBI went to the ammo companies to download the 10mm because agents were having trouble qualifying. They also contacted the gun manufacturers to see if the gun couldn't be made smaller because agents couldn't hold onto the big 10mm and they wanted something the size of a 9mm. Thus the 40 Short & Weak came about.

I have nothing against the 40 except as an old time 45 ACP shooter I think it has a snapper recoil. Something they are trying to solve with the new Gen 4.

DHart
02-16-2010, 01:47
The .40 UNpopular? NAH! Crazy talk!

The .40 is a very commonly used caliber which is here to stay. I'm a big fan of .45acp in 1911 and my G30. But when it comes to defense, I think the .40 is sweet because you get stopping power fairly close to .45 acp but a heck of a lot more capacity... and I am one who believes that while good shot placement with a defense caliber (9, 40, 45) is paramount, capacity before a reload can easily be equal to, if not more important, than caliber as a critically important factor. For this reason, I prefer to carry my G23 with 14 rounds (180 gr. HST) on tap before a reload over my G30 with 11 rounds of .45 (230 gr. HST) on tap.

I must admit, though, that the G30 with 11 rounds of .45acp is arguably the BEST carry gun on the planet. Compact. Very Potent. Uber-reliable. Reasonably decent capacity. Very accurate. Very soft shooting. The G30 is S-W-E-E-T!

patman
03-24-2010, 21:17
As far as calibers go the 40 is my second favorite.The 45 ACP is tops for me,but I currently don't own a 45 because of ammo cost.The 9mm is like shooting a 22.Not that that's a problem,I own 9mm's and like them.I hear the 357 Sig has a LOT of recoil,I've never fired one,and don't want to.I got a G31 in a trade once and quickly converted it to 9mm without shooting a single 357 round through it.The 45 GAP.....what a lead balloon.You can buy a brand new Glock in 45 GAP for $400.00 shipped.Tells me all I need to know.I just got a G27 (my third) and carry it all the time.It replaced the G19 I used to carry.I do not find the 40 snappy at all.Plenty of punch,very accurate,and very controllable.What else can you ask for?

rscottk90
03-24-2010, 21:23
As far as calibers go the 40 is my second favorite.The 45 ACP is tops for me,but I currently don't own a 45 because of ammo cost.The 9mm is like shooting a 22.Not that that's a problem,I own 9mm's and like them.I hear the 357 Sig has a LOT of recoil,I've never fired one,and don't want to.I got a G31 in a trade once and quickly converted it to 9mm without shooting a single 357 round through it.The 45 GAP.....what a lead balloon.You can buy a brand new Glock in 45 GAP for $400.00 shipped.Tells me all I need to know.I just got a G27 (my third) and carry it all the time.It replaced the G19 I used to carry.I do not find the 40 snappy at all.Plenty of punch,very accurate,and very controllable.What else can you ask for?
not sure why you think its unpopular. Its one of the most widely used rounds for police and such. I have a g23, which is 40 and its my favorite to shoot. I think alot of people who carry like 40 cause its got the punch. 9mm is a good carry round too, but it lacks alittle in the punch department.

never shot a 357 glock, have shot a s and w stainless 357 revolver and it has next to no recoil, probly kick alot more in a light weight gun though.

patman
03-24-2010, 21:35
"never shot a 357 glock, have shot a s and w stainless 357 revolver and it has next to no recoil, probly kick alot more in a light weight gun though."

I'm not sure how the 357 Sig compares to a 357 Magnum.Two different rounds altogether as far as I know (One is a rimmed cartridge,one is not).The Magnum can be a little snappy.Depends on what kind of revolver you are shooting.Even my 2 1/4" five shot revolver isn't too bad,but it is all stainless steel and has good grips.If I'm not mistaken the Magnum is much more powerful than the Sig.I could be mistaken.:dunno:

automan
03-25-2010, 05:34
"never shot a 357 glock, have shot a s and w stainless 357 revolver and it has next to no recoil, probly kick alot more in a light weight gun though."

I'm not sure how the 357 Sig compares to a 357 Magnum.Two different rounds altogether as far as I know (One is a rimmed cartridge,one is not).The Magnum can be a little snappy.Depends on what kind of revolver you are shooting.Even my 2 1/4" five shot revolver isn't too bad,but it is all stainless steel and has good grips.If I'm not mistaken the Magnum is much more powerful than the Sig.I could be mistaken.:dunno:

357 S&W Magnum has more punch using different grains (110-200) than the 357 SIG which really only equals the 357 S&W Magnum using 125 grain bullets. The 357 Sig is a .40 necked down to .356 caliber, while a 357 S&W magnum is a straight case .357 caliber.

radial77
03-25-2010, 06:00
Love my G23 .40.

BuckyP
03-25-2010, 07:09
357 S&W Magnum has more punch using different grains (110-200) than the 357 SIG which really only equals the 357 S&W Magnum using 125 grain bullets. The 357 Sig is a .40 necked down to .356 caliber, while a 357 S&W magnum is a straight case .357 caliber.

The .357 Sig uses 9mm bullets, which .355. .356 is typically for .38 super, though some do load them in 9mm and perhaps .357 Sig.

automan
03-25-2010, 08:23
The .357 Sig uses 9mm bullets, which .355. .356 is typically for .38 super, though some do load them in 9mm and perhaps .357 Sig.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. A 9mm bullet is actually 9.03mm = .356 inch diameter.

easyg
03-25-2010, 09:06
The .40S&W will go down in firearms history as one of the best and most successful calibers ever created.

The "snappy recoil" claim is greatly exaggerated in my opinion.
Sure, it is a little more pronounced than the recoil of the weaker 9mm caliber, just as the .357 Magnum has a more pronounced recoil than a .38 Special.
There's no such thing as a free lunch....more power equals more felt recoil.
But the additional recoil is not so much as to be uncontrollable or painful or even unpleasant.

There's a very good reason that most law enforcement has moved away from the 9mm in favor of the .40S&W:
They get a more effective caliber in the same size platform with only a modest loss in capacity.

Bill Lumberg
03-25-2010, 09:12
Where did you get the idea that "most" were giving up on .40? That couldn't be further from reality. It's the dominant round for LE in the U.S., by a wide margin, and doesn't appear to be decreasing in popularity.


So please tell me, with most giving up on the .40S&W, why do you still love it?

mteagle1
03-25-2010, 11:03
The .40S&W will go down in firearms history as one of the best and most successful calibers ever created.
Far from a proven fact let's see if it is still aroud a hundred years from now.
There's a very good reason that most law enforcement has moved away from the 9mm in favor of the .40S&W:
Wrong, the FBI decided the 9mm lacked incapacitation ability after an agent shot a bad guy through the heart in the Miami shootout and the BG shot several other agents. The FBI decided a 10mm was needed but agents were having trouble qualifing because of the large grip. It is called 40 S&W because S&W was the first company to build a gun with a shorter cartridge size based on the 10mm bullet.
They get a more effective caliber in the same size platform with only a modest loss in capacity.

Rumor has it that a major Florida LE agency is asking Glock for a Gen4 G37.

Fire_Medic
03-25-2010, 17:05
Rumor has it that a major Florida LE agency is asking Glock for a Gen4 G37.

Done deal, they're awaiting the order to come in. A few more months is the word on the street.

Atraeu
03-25-2010, 20:33
i like the 40, but love the capacity on some 9s >.>

Gs Up
03-29-2010, 14:21
I think .40S&W is the ideal caliber for a pistol. Great capacity and great stopping power.

Seawolf
04-15-2010, 08:47
I just bought my Wife a used G23 and have not shot it yet, but have experience with the M&P40c and other full size .40 cal pistols in the past.

I love shooting 45acp and I have a nice 1911 that I will never get rid of because I love the 45acp so much, but I cannot find affordable 45acp ammo to shoot anywhere in my area unless I order in bulk online. One day I hope the current political climate changes and ammo availability goes back to what it was a few years ago, but for right now I just hate scrounging for ammo all the time. This lead me to look at the .40 S&W for daily carry and competition.

Last night the Wife and I went to our super Wal Mart to get some fishing stuff for the weekend and as I always do I made a trip past the ammo case. The top two shelves were full of .40S&W ball ammo from different companies. If I had to guess I would say there was easily 4,000-5,000 rounds of .40 in that case. Boxes of .40 were crammed in behind other ammunition because they didn't have space for it.
The practice ammo was going for around $13 a box for 50 rounds. Next to all this .40 was 3 boxes of Swiss 9mm ball ammo selling for $16 for 50 rounds.

There was no 45acp as usual, and a little bit of .32 cal stuck in there. The rest was .223 and other assorted hunting ammo.

Now I'm not mathematician, but looking at that gun case the choice was clear. Stick with 45acp and never get to shoot, choose 9mm and rarely get to shoot, OR get yourself a .40cal and never run out of ammo to have fun with.
On top of that pay less per box than the 9mm. Now I realize that the Winchester WWB 9mm stuff was listed at around $9 a box, but as with the 45acp, good luck finding that. I can also go to a gun shop and get plenty of 45acp and 9mm, but again at what cost? Last gun shop I went into wanted $20 for a box of 50 Fiochii 9mm. That's just freakin insane.

Sometimes we have to adjust and adapt to our surroundings. Right now all I see available is .40S&W in my area at a decent price. When I start seeing stockpiles of 9mm and 45acp showing up again then I'll certainly switch to that caliber, but for right now I shoot .40S&W for nothing else but because I can find ammo for it.

BTW- I hope everyone continues to hate the .40S&W because it's simple supply and demand. That keeps .40S&W cheaper and available for me to shoot.

Glock30 Guy
04-15-2010, 09:02
I love the 40 S&W caliber. It has the right amount of punch for me.

sdrnavy
04-22-2010, 20:31
I am a police officer, most departments demand that you carry their issued gun, the .40 for most departments. I can carry anything I want in my department. I carry a 9mm. Alot of S.W.A.T. teams carry the 9mm, they usaully have a higher capacity, and one shot of a +P bonded hollow point does the job 95 % of the time. I have seen a hispanic male shot with a 9mm 115 fmj, shot 3 times through a car window. He jumped out, shot blood and hit 3 cars away ( projectile bled), and collapsed. He had no fight in him at all ! That was Wal - Mart Winchester 115 fmj. He was just as dead as a man shot in the head with a Howitzer. Have you ever heard of the British S.A.S. and the Navy SEALS complain about the 9mm ? I have two .40`s, a .45 acp,and a 9mm. Velocity for penetration is essential for shooting through objects, but you never know what you are going to face. I am neutral to caliber choice, because I have seen diffeferent situations with all calibers.

FM12
04-23-2010, 20:00
As a state police officer, Ideal with various agencies in the SW area of Alabama. Almost all use the 40S&W in the Glock platform. We use the 40 also, but in the Sig platform. No officer involved shootings with ours yet.

sdrnavy
05-01-2010, 17:27
I have won a few with my .40 as well.

DHart
05-01-2010, 21:42
.40 weapons haven't been sold for nearly as long as 9 and 45 models have. So there are just fewer owners with guns in that caliber due to the time frame of caliber availability.

SO, I really don't think that .40 IS unpopular.... there are just quite a few more 9mm and .45 acp pistols extant... therefore, simply more people have guns chambered in those calibers, but not due to "popularity".

And I also think a lot of people in recent years just bought 9mm because they didn't know much about .40 caliber, .45 seemed to some of them to be "too powerful", and thought that 9mm would be cheaper and easier to shoot.

As for .45 sales, the average gun buyer probably has no idea how comfortable it is to shoot .45acp as compared to .40. And 9mm just seems "easy" to get into and to shoot.

packinaglock
05-02-2010, 14:41
I just bought a Glock 27 about two weeks ago, I still love my 9's and .45gap but I thought I needed a .40 as well. :supergrin:

chemboy
05-05-2010, 15:57
I, for one, have only .40S&W Glocks because I love the caliber.

I've already did the 9mm and .45ACP gig, and felt that the 40 is more fun to shoot. I laugh at the "snappiness".

So please tell me, with most giving up on the .40S&W, why do you still love it?

I have always liked the 40 SW, seems like a good compromise between size and power.
I especially like the fact that it fits into a 9mm size 'platform'.

The only(slight) negative for me concerning the 40 is the recoil; it does seem snappier than the 45 ACP and certainly a step abov that of the 9X19.

My only current 40 cal is a G35, but I hope to purchase a Gen 4 G23 and another G27 at some point.

I personally feel that the 40 SW is here to stay.

hasselbach
05-06-2010, 17:46
The 9mm will always blow away a 40SW. I'm not sure why you all deny the superiority of the wonder 9. It will be around for years. The 40 is a dead round. I'll gladly stand in front of a 40SW to prove my point. I won't do the same with a 9 however, that would be stupid!


(I'm kidding before the flames start. I love my G23, and carry it daily. I have a 19C that I compete with, just easier to follow up on, but its not for SD use)

FLSlim
05-08-2010, 14:40
I am happy with my G23 although I'm getting the itch for a G30. Regardless, I think this topic has run its course. 'bout time for something new for the 40 Club!

nedfolks
05-18-2010, 05:35
I'm currently selling my .357Sig Glocks and moving to .40
The .40 has a good range of bullets to pick from 135gr-180gr.
more like 135gr - 200gr

nedfolks
05-18-2010, 05:46
A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety. Is it dangerous? Absolutely.

'You want a .45 for free? Get 180 grain bullets for your forty. There's your .45.
Get a Milt Sparks HN-55 holster and Speer Golddot hollow point bullets. Make the rest of it up yourself. Just remember that the minute you disrespect that Glock pistol it kills you, maims you, or kills an innocent. :drillsgt:
Not true at all!!

Troy106
05-22-2010, 01:10
Where did you get the idea that "most" were giving up on .40? That couldn't be further from reality. It's the dominant round for LE in the U.S., by a wide margin, and doesn't appear to be decreasing in popularity.

Yep, many LE's are carrying this, and its probably not as popular in some areas like the op's thats why he asked this question

LaserMax22RTF2
05-29-2010, 19:42
more like 135gr - 200gr
Yep .40 is 135-200gr.

Scream_N_Demon
06-05-2010, 21:04
I love mine. Fine shooting guns.

GlockNewbie1234
06-11-2010, 21:47
I think that speaks very highly of your upbringing since you're so willing to show good will and acceptance towards all. The world would be a better place if there were more like you.

:rofl:

(sometimes I crack myself up)

rrog

And the world would be a far more better place if you have a G22 added to your collection :tongueout:

GlockNewbie1234
06-11-2010, 21:53
I like .40 as a good comprimise SD round. I have a 23 and 27 for defense and recently added a 19 for the range because it is cheaper to shoot and still has same trigger pull etc. as my others. If I need to conceal smaller I go to my Kahr MK40.

Since you've already got a 23, why not just get the 9mm conversion barrel & 9mm mags then you're GTG? :supergrin: That's just saving you a lot of money for the ammo.:tongueout:

GlockNewbie1234
06-11-2010, 22:01
Imo why bother with the 40 just get a 10mm.

Because CZ does not make a 10mm.:crying:. Therefore, I had to get a 10mm conversion kit for my EAA Witness P frame(in .45acp) then I'm good to go! Still dont have the fund for the G20 or G29 yet, so this is a temporary easy fix!:cool:

JimBobTX
06-13-2010, 18:56
I love my .40's. I bought 10mm's first, then started reloading again and then got into .40's because I could use the same bullets and dies.

whenmonkeysfly
06-13-2010, 21:09
I love my .40's. I bought 10mm's first, then started reloading again and then got into .40's because I could use the same bullets and dies.

Ditto! Lord knows I love my 10mm and my G20 is my first choice in CCW. My .40 S&W Glock 23 brings a lot of firepower in a much smaller/lighter package - great for summer packing in the North Central Florida heat and humidity! Hot, weighted .40 caliber bullets will stop anything threatening me or my family... just gotta shoot in the right spot. :)

Vdoc
06-20-2010, 19:57
As the ammo shortagge intensified I converter my 32 to 40 cal with an after market barrel so not only did I pick up a second caliber ($129.00) but got standard rifleling incase the oppertunity arose to shoot some lead 40 re-loads.. Best of both Worlds now. 357 sig ammo costs alot more than 40cal and it uses the same ammo as my Kahr CW40's.

EDGERYDR
06-25-2010, 12:32
I was able to find and buy my weapon six months ago.i decided before that it was what i wanted. i like the size, weight,feel, firepower+ease of pulling on target. acc.=hogue grips,pearce+0 grip extension on both mags.

Glocknut101
06-29-2010, 15:36
It's too bad we can't get .380 Glocks for all the people who cry about how snappy the .40 is :crying:

ZIG-ZAG
07-05-2010, 20:48
I love my .40!

I've had 3 new shooters use my g23 and all of them did just fine with the recoil, including my wife. She says the difference between her g19 and my g23 is minor. That said, she does prefer her g19.

So that settles it... the g19 is a woman's gun and the g23 is for men! :tongueout:

Daryl in Az
07-10-2010, 15:37
I'm really not sure why some folks don't like the .40 S&W. I can understand liking something else better, or not choosing a particular cartridge for your own use, but badmouthing it is unnecessary IMO.

What's not to like? The .40 S&W has power to equal or exceed .45 ACP loads with same-weight bullets, and fits into a 9mm sized package with higher capacity than most full sized .45' ACP's.

Regarding the claims that it "kicks harder but doesn't hit as hard as a .45"? Newton's law says that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. That means that if everything else is equal, and the .40 kicks harder, then it'd have to hit harder too.

I suspect that the reason it's judged to "kick harder" is because folks are comparing larger .45's to 9mm sized .40's. I just looked up some loading data, and the top loads for 155 gr bullets in the .40 S&W topped 1250 fps, while only one top load for the same weight bullet barely topped 1100 fps with the .45 ACP, and the smaller diameter bullet will penetrate deeper.

With 180 grain bullets, top loads for the two cartridges were, for all intents and purposes, identical in velocity. The advantage to the .40 would come in penetration (depending on bullet construction), and the advantage to the .45 is that you can use heavier bullets (230 grain). Recoil from same size, same weight pistols should be identical with top loads being very similar in velocities.

And the fact that a .40 S&W can be chambered in a 9mm sized handgun, with a fairly high magazine capacity, while offering performance that matches .45 ACP performance is a large part of what makes the cartridge appeal to me.

I bought my first .40 S&W chambered pistol in 1995, and I bought the third one a week ago today. I've never owned a 9mm, and really don't want one, although I may buy a 9mm LW barrel to fit my new G23. Would be fun at the range.

In a comparison of the three cartridges, not all of the advantages go to the .45 and/or 9mm, unless you somehow combine the best features of each into one cartridge.

Oh yeah, but then you'd have a .40 S&W.

Daryl

Daryl in Az
07-10-2010, 16:04
Originally Posted by glockluver
Imo why bother with the 40 just get a 10mm.

Because a 10mm is a whole lot harder to chamber in a 9mm sized gun, and the extra recoil and blast wouldn't be necessary for most SD purposes.

I carried a G20 for a short time. Nice pistol, no doubt, but sorta large for my smaller stature on an all-day, every-day basis. A .40 S&W is easier for me to carry, both open and concealed, and ammo is far easier and cheaper to get.

There's always something bigger and better, but it usually comes with a price paid in the size and weight of the gun, and the cost of ammo.

A G23 fits me an d my needs nicely. YMMV.

Daryl