SBR AR thread -- walk me through it

[Pinki]

:wavey:

Go slow with me.

We're going to start with the pink upper and lower here:

http://www.sundevilmfg.com/pricelist.php

[Pinki]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/olava1/Sundevil%20AR/sundevil_colors.jpg

[Horror]

forget the AR.. and buy yourself a G36! or a HK416!

[Pinki]

forget the AR.. and buy yourself a G36! or a HK416!

:tongueout: We are at a point in history where I am forced to deal with an impending loss of my rights, and I have to therefore exercise them while I can.

[blueiron]

Marry someone with a few.

[Pinki]

Marry someone with a few.

:shocked: I dont want to get married again unless I am in a relationship in which I wont need to work and I will need health insurance :rofl:

For some reason, marriage kills my desire :headscratch:

[blueiron]

For some reason, marriage kills my desire :headscratch:

It kills your desire for SBRs???

You need help. :ack:

[Pinki]

It kills your desire for SBRs???

You need help. :ack:

:rofl::rofl:

No...it kills my desire for um.... intimacy

[blueiron]

Anyway, go find a dealer that specializes in SBRs, class III, etc. They will have almost everything you need and will walk you through it.

They fill out the most of the form and then have you complete your portion of it. You obtain fingerprints on the cards that they supply, a CLEO signature, and then you go and get some passport photos. After that, you have them review it for completeness and then it gets sent in. Don't forget the money order.

DO NOT buy the short barrel and upper combined, if you already have a lower until you have the tax stamp in hand. ATFE considers it an unregistered weapon and has no humor when it comes to this.

If you are buying an upper without a barrel, that's fine. Stay away from buying a barrel until the tax stamp arrives. Some places want to see the tax stamp, others aren't as picky.

If you are buying parts only, find someone who knows what they are doing to assemble them correctly or oversee your efforts. As a Colt AR/M16 armorer, I have seen too many botched parts guns by people who watch a DVD, don't buy the correct tools, use junk parts, and slap it together like a bad pizza to get out shooting. Buy the Brownells AR15 tool kit - it has all the right tools and you can't really substitute nails for punches, vise grips for barrel wrenches, etc.

[blueiron]

:rofl::rofl:

No...it kills my desire for um.... intimacy


And you are different from any other woman, how?

[Pinki]

Anyway, go find a dealer that specializes in SBRs, class III, etc. They will have almost everything you need and will walk you through it.

They fill out the most of the form and then have you complete your portion of it. You obtain fingerprints on the cards that they supply, a CLEO signature, and then you go and get some passport photos. After that, you have them review it for completeness and then it gets sent in. Don't forget the money order.

DO NOT buy the short barrel and upper combined, if you already have a lower until you have the tax stamp in hand. ATFE considers it an unregistered weapon and has no humor when it comes to this.

If you are buying an upper without a barrel, that's fine. Stay away from buying a barrel until the tax stamp arrives. Some places want to see the tax stamp, others aren't as picky.

If you are buying parts only, find someone who knows what they are doing to assemble them correctly or oversee your efforts. As a Colt AR/M16 armorer, I have seen too many botched parts guns by people who watch a DVD, don't buy the correct tools, use junk parts, and slap it together like a bad pizza to get out shooting. Buy the Brownells AR15 tool kit - it has all the right tools and you can't really substitute nails for punches, vise grips for barrel wrenches, etc.

I think the link above doesnt have the barrel combined? I'm going to start with just the stipped upper and lower.

[Pinki]

And you are different from any other woman, how?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Not saying I am... but I realize the problem and I want to avoid it in the future. :rofl::rofl:

[blueiron]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Not saying I am... but I realize the problem and I want to avoid it in the future. :rofl::rofl:


Find someone who accepts an open marriage. Don't make life too hard.

[Dragoon44]

For some reason, marriage kills my desire :headscratch:

Typical woman, they hump like bunnies when they are just a GF, soon as you marry them play time is over.

:tongueout::rofl:

[Pinki]

Find someone who accepts an open marriage. Don't make life too hard.

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I dont like that idea either. I wouldnt want to sleep around, nor for someone to sleep around on me, it's just something about the marriage contract that I dont like. It's something about being 'stuck' so to speak.

[Pinki]

Typical woman, they hump like bunnies when they are just a GF, soon as you marry them play time is over.

:tongueout::rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Pinki]

This is supposed to be a SBR thread :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[blueiron]

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I dont like that idea either. I wouldnt want to sleep around, nor for someone to sleep around on me, it's just something about the marriage contract that I dont like. It's something about being 'stuck' so to speak.


Well then, just hop on down the bunny trail to the different Cop Talkers and take your pick.

[blueiron]

This is supposed to be a SBR thread :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Many men have a SBR.

:rofl:

[blueiron]

Others have a snubbie.

[Pinki]

Well then, just hop on down the bunny trail to the different Cop Talkers and take your pick.

:shocked::shocked:

I haven't met anyone yet that seems that interested -- I'm not one to make initial advances. You cant tell how you feel about someone until you meet them. I met one that I liked a year ago this Summer...he wasnt a cop talker, he was from another board...he came here and posted a couple times but he hasn't been back as far as I know. I saw him once again this Summer. Didn't work out too well I guess. He stressed me out a lot.

There's a guy right now at the range that seems to be making some advances...We've IM'd some...but he doesn't float my boat.

[Pinki]

Many men have a SBR.

:rofl:



Others have a snubbie.

LMAO :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[blueiron]

There's a guy right now at the range that seems to be making some advances...We've IM'd some...but he doesn't float my boat.

Float your boat?

If the Tsunami isn't there, don't despair...

Grab the garden hose and get yourself wet.

[Dragoon44]

This is supposed to be a SBR thread

SBR

Sex Based Relationship.

:tongueout::rofl::rofl:

[Pinki]

Float your boat?

If the Tsunami isn't there, don't despair...

Grab the garden hose and get yourself wet.

:tongueout::rofl:

Yeah float my boat..he just doesn't interest me....doesn't make me giddy

[Pinki]

SBR

Sex Based Relationship.



:rofl::rofl: There has to be more than just sex! :rofl: But, you cant have the absence of desire either.

[GPalmer]

GP I'm going to start an AR thread in the posse. I can buy both the upper and the lower first right? Do I need a class 3 or whatever dealer for the barrel (after I get the tax stamp).
No, we need to clarify things here.

If you intend to build it yourself or by yourself with some help, then you need to apply for the Feds dispensation to build a SBR. This is the tax stamp. You only need an FFL to transfer the original receiver to you. Since at that point it is not a Class 3 weapon, any FFL can do the transfer.

If you intend to ship it to a builder and have them build it into a SBR then you probably need to get it back through a Class 3 FFL since it was changed into a Class 3 weapon and now you're receiving it back as a Class 3 weapon.

If you assemble it largely yourself and then have someone locally "check" the final build then you can get the tax stamp and not have to go through a Class 3 FFL. In this case, you built a firearm, shipped it for work and are just receiving it back.

Which of these cases are you thinking of?

[Pinki]

No, we need to clarify things here.

If you intend to build it yourself or by yourself with some help, then you need to apply for the Feds dispensation to build a SBR. This is the tax stamp. You only need an FFL to transfer the original receiver to you. Since at that point it is not a Class 3 weapon, any FFL can do the transfer.

If you intend to ship it to a builder and have them build it into a SBR then you probably need to get it back through a Class 3 FFL since it was changed into a Class 3 weapon and now you're receiving it back as a Class 3 weapon.

If you assemble it largely yourself and then have someone locally "check" the final build then you can get the tax stamp and not have to go through a Class 3 FFL. In this case, you built a firearm, shipped it for work and are just receiving it back.

Which of these cases are you thinking of?

I dont know. I wanted to keep it in parts. I cant do that? I dont have a long gun safe....I dont have anyone to help me install a long gun safe.

[GPalmer]

I dont know. I wanted to keep it in parts. I cant do that? I dont have a long gun safe....I dont have anyone to help me install a long gun safe.
The Feds can charge you with offenses based on what the parts you have laying around can be built into. In this case those parts can be built into an SBR.

To avoid that you need to be sure that you have complied with the legal requirements for owning an SBR. In this case, that means you need a permit to build an SBR. Slightly different process than buying one. Let me look up a link. AR15.com should have lots of info on it.

[GPalmer]

You're going to hate me for saying this, but you need to read and retain this thread (http://www.ar15.com/content/legal/nfaFAQ.html). Seriously!

Here is a quote from the link above outlining what you're doing:
Or you can make any NFA weapon, except for machine guns (see below), by filing a Form 1, "Application to Make and Register a Firearm", and paying the $200 making tax, which applies to all of these weapons, including AOW's. You may not make the proposed weapon until the Form 1 is returned to you approved. The law enforcement certification, photos and fingerprints also apply to Form 1's, and in fact to any transfer to an individual. Additionally the manufacturer of any NFA weapon, including an individual making one on a Form 1 must mark the receiver of the weapon with the maker's name and city and state. NFA Branch can grant exemptions from this for DD's. All types of corporations, including corporate type 01 FFL holders, need not do the certification, photo and fingerprint requirements. Any of the forms listed, and the fingerprint cards, are available for free from ATF, either in Washington, D.C. or your local office.

[Pinki]

I thought I could purchase those uppers and lowers if I just didn't buy the barrel? And then fill out the paperwork?

I just dont know what to do.

[Pinki]

Maybe I'll just stick with the 16 inch barrel then?

[GPalmer]

I thought I could purchase those uppers and lowers if I just didn't buy the barrel? And then fill out the paperwork?

I just dont know what to do.
That's exactly what you're going to do. It sounds like you're hyperventilating, so just calm down and let's go through it slowly...

1) Buy Upper and Lower Receivers and any other parts you want excluding the barrel - Get them shipped ASAP.

2) The BATFE just changed their forms so when the lower comes in it will be categorized as an Other. Lowers can either be pistols, rifles or others.

3) You will then fill in the Form One and send it off to the Feds who will take about 8 weeks to get an approval back into your hands.

4) Once you have the approved Form One and tax stamp, you can buy the barrel since the Feds waved their magic wand and transformed the receiver into a Class 3 weapon.

5) The seller of the barrel might require some sort of proof that you have the right to possess such a thing, i.e. that you either have a Class 3 or pistol lower receiver.

6) At this point you can do pretty much anything you want with the parts. You're set legally other than making sure your name, city and state are marked on them once it is assembled.

[Pinki]

That's exactly what you're going to do. It sounds like you're hyperventilating, so just calm down and let's go through it slowly...

1) Buy Upper and Lower Receivers and any other parts you want excluding the barrel - Get them shipped ASAP.

2) The BATFE just changed their forms so when the lower comes in it will be categorized as an Other. Lowers can either be pistols, rifles or others.

3) You will then fill in the Form One and send it off to the Feds who will take about 8 weeks to get an approval back into your hands.

4) Once you have the approved Form One and tax stamp, you can buy the barrel since the Feds waved their magic wand and transformed the receiver into a Class 3 weapon.

5) The seller of the barrel might require some sort of proof that you have the right to possess such a thing, i.e. that you either have a Class 3 or pistol lower receiver.

6) At this point you can do pretty much anything you want with the parts. You're set legally other than making sure your name, city and state are marked on them once it is assembled.


Ok :phew: thanks GP! :hugs: :hugs:

Do I have to get a Form One from a Class 3 dealer or is there somewhere else I can obtain one?

[Pinki]

And how do I put my name, city and state on them? Just on the assembled weapon or on each of the parts?

[GPalmer]

Ok :phew: thanks GP! :hugs: :hugs:

Do I have to get a Form One from a Class 3 dealer or is there somewhere else I can obtain one?
There will be one on the gubmmint's web site, let me look it up.

[Pinki]

There will be one on the gubmmint's web site, let me look it up.

Thanks GP!!! :hugs: :hearts:

[GPalmer]

I've attached it to this post.

[Pinki]

Thank you GP!!!! :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hearts:

I'll print it out at work.

Oh yeah. I assume when I do a Living Trust, I have to do something about who it goes to if I pass away? What do I do about that? My family in California couldnt take possession of it.

[GPalmer]

You can also go here (http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm) to have them mail you forms.

[GPalmer]

Thank you GP!!!!

I'll print it out at work.

Oh yeah. I assume when I do a Living Trust, I have to do something about who it goes to if I pass away? What do I do about that? My family in California couldnt take possession of it.
Well, someone who helped a lot with the application process would be a natural! :supergrin::rofl: Seriously, you'll need someone for ownership to pass to but they don't necessarily have to take possession. They could have it transferred to a class 3 dealer in your state for sale.

[Pinki]

You can also go here (http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm) to have them mail you forms.

Ok thanks again GP!!!!

[Pinki]

Well, someone who helped a lot with the application process would be a natural! Seriously, you'll need someone for ownership to pass to but they don't necessarily have to take possession. They could have it transferred to a class 3 dealer in your state for sale.

:tongueout::tongueout::tongueout:

Ah ok well that would be good. My Dad would not need the small amount of money from the sale of the gun. My brothers could find something to do with the money, but wouldnt need it. I suppose if I dont have anyone particular in my life anytime soon, I could leave it to you. Just dont go off me eh? :tongueout: But, it's going to be pink you know!

[GPalmer]

Ah ok well that would be good. My Dad would not need the small amount of money from the sale of the gun. My brothers could find something to do with the money, but wouldnt need it. I suppose if I dont have anyone particular in my life anytime soon, I could leave it to you. Just dont go off me eh? :tongueout: But, it's going to be pink you know!
LOL, would I have to join Pink Pistols to take possession? :shocked::faint:

[Pinki]

LOL, would I have to join Pink Pistols to take possession?


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

No...just find some LEO gym room to spread my ashes in :rofl: :rofl:

[GPalmer]

No...just find some LEO gym room to spread my ashes in
Don't know if that's required, seems to be a lot of interest from the law enforcement community in spreading you without me getting involved... :whistling:

[Pinki]

Don't know if that's required, seems to be a lot of interest from the law enforcement community in spreading you without me getting involved... :whistling:

OMGLMAO :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[GPalmer]

One other things P, the last AWB mandated that the weapon had to be assembled before the date the bill became law so keep that in mind.

[Pinki]

One other things P, the last AWB mandated that the weapon had to be assembled before the date the bill became law so keep that in mind.

I may just have to invite y'all over for a AR building party and a long gun safe installing party :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Free beer and drinks and I'll pick up food! :rofl:

[Pinki]

Well the food is free too I just meant I wont be cooking it :rofl:

[GPalmer]

Free beer and drinks and I'll pick up food! :rofl:
Well the food is free too I just meant I wont be cooking it :rofl:
Hmmm, if I'm remembering correctly, in North Caroline that means roadkill right? :shocked: Come on, at least cook it to kill the germs! :faint::tongueout:

[Pinki]

Hmmm, if I'm remembering correctly, in North Caroline that means roadkill right? :shocked: Come on, at least cook it to kill the germs!

:puking:

All the meat I eat is made in petri dishes!!!! :rofl: :tongueout: :notlistening:

[blueiron]

Maybe I'll just stick with the 16 inch barrel then?

You can buy everything, EXCEPT the short barrel. Do NOT buy it until you have the tax stamp.

[blueiron]

Well the food is free too I just meant I wont be cooking it :rofl:



As long as you are hot and ready, I may fly out there and build it for you.

[Pinki]

You can buy everything, EXCEPT the short barrel. Do NOT buy it until you have the tax stamp.

Ok :thumbsup: :wavey:

[Pinki]

As long as you are hot and ready, I may fly out there and build it for you.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: :tongueout:

[4949shooter]

I know this is slightly off topic, but I am looking at one of these (Remington R15).

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/rem_R15.jpg

This weapon is being marketed as a hunting rifle, but has obvious military roots. It is the best of both worlds for me. The price from my FFL is $899.

I think I'm gonna go for it.

Thanks for listening. :cool:

[Pinki]

I know this is slightly off topic, but I am looking at one of these (Remington R15).

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/rem_R15.jpg

This weapon is being marketed as a hunting rifle, but has obvious military roots. It is the best of both worlds for me. The price from my FFL is $899.

I think I'm gonna go for it.

Thanks for listening. :cool:

4949 that is a nice rifle :thumbsup: It's not off topic at all, and even if it was, that doesnt matter in here. Let us know when it arrives!!! :cheerleader:

[4949shooter]

Thanks.I 'll have to scrounge up some Bday and Christmas money in order to get it.

[GPalmer]

I know this is slightly off topic, but I am looking at one of these (Remington R15).

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/rem_R15.jpg

This weapon is being marketed as a hunting rifle, but has obvious military roots. It is the best of both worlds for me. The price from my FFL is $899.

I think I'm gonna go for it.

Thanks for listening. :cool:
Very nice, what caliber, 308?

[4949shooter]

They make it in 223, 204 Ruger, and 308.

I am looking at the 223 version. The 308 is about $150 more.

Plus I have a healthy stock of 223 ammo.

[Pinki]

GP, I'm hyperventilating again :sad: In the NFA forum on the carolina shooters forum, it said one should have an attorney draft a "legitimate" living trust, as if using the computer program wont be legit :crying:

Also, do I purchase the stripped upper and lower from Sun Devil directly or through a dealer? I used the contact form and no one there has contacted me yet.

[blueiron]

GP, I'm hyperventilating again :sad: In the NFA forum on the carolina shooters forum, it said one should have an attorney draft a "legitimate" living trust, as if using the computer program wont be legit :crying:

Also, do I purchase the stripped upper and lower from Sun Devil directly or through a dealer? I used the contact form and no one there has contacted me yet.



Be careful about using one size fits all legal forms, like trusts for NFA purchases. Have it reviewed by an attorney before you finalize them.

Sun Devil Mfg? I live in Arizona and have never heard of them.

[GPalmer]

GP, I'm hyperventilating again :sad: In the NFA forum on the carolina shooters forum, it said one should have an attorney draft a "legitimate" living trust, as if using the computer program wont be legit :crying:

Also, do I purchase the stripped upper and lower from Sun Devil directly or through a dealer? I used the contact form and no one there has contacted me yet.
Many folks, I'd venture to say the majority of the folks, use the WillMaker software and seem to do fine. I would use the software personally. Do you have the software now? If not, you might want to double check it's good to go in NC. There are either one or two states that require Lawyers to get involved, even if it's rubber stamping what Quicken turns out.

I would try SunDevil directly given the buying craze that's on now. Plus, I'm not sure how many of their dealers stock pink! :supergrin:

[GPalmer]

Be careful about using one size fits all legal forms, like trusts for NFA purchases. Have it reviewed by an attorney before you finalize them.
It's software so it's somewhat tailored to the person. The lawyer is always the safest bet but is more expensive.

[GPalmer]

Sun Devil Mfg? I live in Arizona and have never heard of them.
I reviewed the mentions of them on arfcom and they seem to be well regarded.

[blueiron]

It's software so it's somewhat tailored to the person. The lawyer is always the safest bet but is more expensive.


Software tailored to an invidual person's specific circumstances and family situation?

I'd still have it reviewed by an attorney. Being careless with NFA firearms isn't prudent.

[Pinki]

Darn it. How am I going to find a good attorney? And, how much is that going to cost and would it be just the same for him to look over it as to do the whole thing?

[Dragoon44]

I can't see why anyone would waste their money on an SBR to begin with.

Buy a regular M4 type model and spend the money you saved on ammo to learn how to shoot it effectively.

Or if you want something lightweight, handy and packs a decent close to mid range punch get a auto ordinance M1 carbine and stoke it with softpoint ammo.

[GPalmer]

Software tailored to an invidual person's specific circumstances and family situation?
I wouldn't use it to put all my possessions in like our houses, it worked well for the NFA type stuff for me. I have simple provisions, the stuff isn't all being split different ways just distributed equitably between my sons. Simple is what the software does well. If it were my estate, I wouldn't go near it! :shocked:

I'd still have it reviewed by an attorney. Being careless with NFA firearms isn't prudent.
+1, you are less likely to go wrong with a human professional working on it but then again, I can regale you with stories of an ex-accountant of mine who called me up one day when he was working on my taxes to tell me he had made a mistake a year before and I owed $100K in taxes for the previous year... :whistling::faint

[GPalmer]

I can't see why anyone would waste their money on an SBR to begin with.

Buy a regular M4 type model and spend the money you saved on ammo to learn how to shoot it effectively.

Or if you want something lightweight, handy and packs a decent close to mid range punch get a auto ordinance M1 carbine and stoke it with softpoint ammo.
SBR's are very nice with a suppressor or in areas with limited maneuverability.

[GPalmer]

They make it in 223, 204 Ruger, and 308.

I am looking at the 223 version. The 308 is about $150 more.

Plus I have a healthy stock of 223 ammo.
No limitations on what you can hunt with a 223 there in NJ? I'm surprised, I thought they had ALL the regulations! :supergrin: Are you planning on using that for hunting? I have that one image of you out hunting that you posted way back when stuck in my mind and that plus the rifle finish makes me think of hunting.

I don't love the 223 but I haven't heard of any 308's that feed reliably. I haven't heard anything about the 204, I tend to nod off when calibers that don't start with a 3 or greater are mentioned! :supergrin: (Sorry, I'm old enough that I have the ingrained "Men use .30 caliber" thing happening. :supergrin:)

[Pinki]

I can't see why anyone would waste their money on an SBR to begin with.

Buy a regular M4 type model and spend the money you saved on ammo to learn how to shoot it effectively.

Or if you want something lightweight, handy and packs a decent close to mid range punch get a auto ordinance M1 carbine and stoke it with softpoint ammo.

I'm REALLY little :tongueout: Most of rifles I've seen are taller than me. :crying: What is an auto Ordinance M1 carbine?

[Pinki]

I wouldn't use it to put all my possessions in like our houses, it worked well for the NFA type stuff for me. I have simple provisions, the stuff isn't all being split different ways just distributed equitably between my sons. Simple is what the software does well. If it were my estate, I wouldn't go near it! :shocked:


+1, you are less likely to go wrong with a human professional working on it but then again, I can regale you with stories of an ex-accountant of mine who called me up one day when he was working on my taxes to tell me he had made a mistake a year before and I owed $100K in taxes for the previous year... :whistling::faint

My property isn't worth much and my family wouldn't cry over losing it. I was only planning on putting the AR in there, and down the line if I still wanted one, a suppressor for the Glock (not the AR). I have no children and I do not plan to have any. But, I dont want to end up in trouble if I do it wrong. I dont look good in stripes and I dont want a gf in jail, and I bet I'd be unlucky enough to only have women jailors :rofl: :rofl:

[4949shooter]

No limitations on what you can hunt with a 223 there in NJ? I'm surprised, I thought they had ALL the regulations! :supergrin: Are you planning on using that for hunting? I have that one image of you out hunting that you posted way back when stuck in my mind and that plus the rifle finish makes me think of hunting.

I don't love the 223 but I haven't heard of any 308's that feed reliably. I haven't heard anything about the 204, I tend to nod off when calibers that don't start with a 3 or greater are mentioned! :supergrin: (Sorry, I'm old enough that I have the ingrained "Men use .30 caliber" thing happening. :supergrin:)
The rifle is definately not for hunting in NJ. There are exceptions for hunting groundhogs with a centerfire, but I don't get involved. I use the shotgun in Jersey, and a bolt action in PA. The camoed up AR type rifle will be for going out of state when I make my move to the southwest.

Oh yeah, it's another one of those evil assault rifles that I can add to my collection....albeit dressed up for hunting predators. Sort of two rifles in one...

[GPalmer]

But, I dont want to end up in trouble if I do it wrong. I dont look good in stripes and I dont want a gf in jail, and I bet I'd be unlucky enough to only have women jailors
:needspics:

:whistling::rofl:

The camoed up AR type rifle will be for going out of state when I make my move to the southwest.
Seems to be a suboptimal caliber for the longer ranges they have down there for hunting, depending on the type of hunting you mean to do... :whistling:

Oh yeah, it's another one of those evil assault rifles that I can add to my collection....albeit dressed up for hunting predators. Sort of two rifles in one...
It's rather late at this point but every AR that is aimed at hunting is a win for our side. It's too late now I think, but the image of the AR as something for war is instead of sport is one of the things that will help out the wrong side when and if they try for AWB v2.

[GPalmer]

Darn it. How am I going to find a good attorney? And, how much is that going to cost and would it be just the same for him to look over it as to do the whole thing?
I would ask on that forum you mentioned. They don't have to be that expensive, I know there was one here in Florida who would do it for $400. If the lawyer does a lot of these they will have prepared templates that they jsut customize a little for you and they'll be cheap. If not, then the software would give them something to start from and cut the price way down. Usually they just want to tweak a few things to earn their pay and it's on it's way.

[Pinki]

:needspics:

:whistling::rofl:



:tongueout:

[GPalmer]

:tongueout:
Yup, we want to see LOTS of tongue action... :rofl:

[Pinki]

I would ask on that forum you mentioned. They don't have to be that expensive, I know there was one here in Florida who would do it for $400. If the lawyer does a lot of these they will have prepared templates that they jsut customize a little for you and they'll be cheap. If not, then the software would give them something to start from and cut the price way down. Usually they just want to tweak a few things to earn their pay and it's on it's way.

Maybe I'll just get a normal one like Dragoon says :crying: :crying: :crying:

I cant decide what to do

[Pinki]

Yup, we want to see LOTS of tongue action... :rofl:

You hush! :rofl::rofl:

[GPalmer]

Maybe I'll just get a normal one like Dragoon says :crying: :crying: :crying:

I cant decide what to do
Well, you're going about it wrong. State what you want this machine to do for you, what needs it will fulfill. Look cool is valid if that is one of the things you want. Once you state exactly what you want it to do for you, then we can figure out pros and cons.

[Pinki]

Well, you're going about it wrong. State what you want this machine to do for you, what needs it will fulfill. Look cool is valid if that is one of the things you want. Once you state exactly what you want it to do for you, then we can figure out pros and cons.

Look cool is one thing :supergrin: I dont know because this is earlier than I had planned on getting one. I dont think I'm rifle ready yet, but this AWB has me scared :crying: I just want a cool rifle that I can play with that is high quality (I've learned the hard way about buying things of lesser quality just because they are less expensive).

[GPalmer]

Look cool is one thing :supergrin: I dont know because this is earlier than I had planned on getting one. I dont think I'm rifle ready yet, but this AWB has me scared :crying: I just want a cool rifle that I can play with that is high quality (I've learned the hard way about buying things of lesser quality just because they are less expensive).OK, well AR's are definitely cool and I would think a good match for you since they are light and have low recoil. So let's go with the idea of an AR-15 as granted.

If you're going to practice with this weapon you'll want cheap ammo for plinking and effective loads when it's needed. 223 is the king right now for ammo selection because of its use by the military.

OK, so we have a AR-15 in 223 selected so far.

Do you want to use a suppressor?

Will you be using it in close quarters?

If you have to use it for self defense, what's the longest range you feel you'd need?

Have you seen both short and long barreled AR's and does one appeal to you more than the other? (I have to admit, the idea of a short barrel seem like it would go with a pink AR :supergrin:)

Have you tried carrying a normal AR slung, did it cause you any discomfort that a shorter model might help with?

The longer barrel will give you better ballistics. This means better range and more damage inflicted when the bullet hits. Have we discovered any uses in the questions above that make it worth the extra money and regulation?

[Pinki]

.

Do you want to use a suppressor?
I dont think so...I wanted the suppressor for my Glock.

Will you be using it in close quarters?

If you have to use it for self defense, what's the longest range you feel you'd need?

I dont think so...it would probably be mostly for playing around at the range. I would probably stick to pistols for self defense..but then again, one never knows...

Have you seen both short and long barreled AR's and does one appeal to you more than the other? (I have to admit, the idea of a short barrel seem like it would go with a pink AR :supergrin:)

No..I only played with ARs once and they were Glockmasters and that was a year ago. :sad: I just think short would fit me better and then there's the coolness factor. You are bad GP! :tongueout:

Have you tried carrying a normal AR slung, did it cause you any discomfort that a shorter model might help with?

The ones I tried that were Glockmasters were very heavy, one I could only shoot when he held it for me. But then again, he put all those gadgets on them...

The longer barrel will give you better ballistics. This means better range and more damage inflicted when the bullet hits. Have we discovered any uses in the questions above that make it worth the extra money and regulation?
I dont know!!! :crying: :crying:

[Dragoon44]

I'm REALLY little :tongueout: Most of rifles I've seen are taller than me. :crying: What is an auto Ordinance M1 carbine?

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

The M1 carbine is light, compact, and low recoil, it was a favorite of the NYC stakeout squad back in the 70's.

You should be able to find one cheaper than the MSRP.

[GPalmer]

Well the only thing I see above arguing for the SBR is:
1) Looks cool

In order to get those, you have to:
1) Pay to set up the trust.
2) File the paperwork and pay the tax.
3) File paperwork if you take it out of state.
4) May move to a state that wouldn't let you keep it.

Is that a worthwhile tradeoff for you?

[4949shooter]

Seems to be a suboptimal caliber for the longer ranges they have down there for hunting, depending on the type of hunting you mean to do... :whistling:
I plan to hunt coyotes with the .223, which will be fine out to 200 yards. I also have a camoed Remington model 700 in .243 I plan to use for predators, and a model 700 BDL in 7mm magnum for reaching out and touching the big stuff.

It's rather late at this point but every AR that is aimed at hunting is a win for our side. It's too late now I think, but the image of the AR as something for war is instead of sport is one of the things that will help out the wrong side when and if they try for AWB v2.
I think the gun companies are trying to market the AR as a hunting rifle both to expand the target market in order to sell more guns and also give them a way to offset the warlike image.

[GPalmer]

I plan to hunt coyotes with the .223, which will be fine out to 200 yards. I also have a camoed Remington model 700 in .243 I plan to use for predators, and a model 700 BDL in 7mm magnum for reaching out and touching the big stuff.
Sounds like a plan. I've never gotten a crack at the 7mm but I have often drooled over its ballistics. That's a nice round! I've never seen any terminal ballistics on it, but given its size, it should be stellar.

[Pinki]

These posts require more thought, I'll respond later tonight :)

[4949shooter]

Sounds like a plan. I've never gotten a crack at the 7mm but I have often drooled over its ballistics. That's a nice round! I've never seen any terminal ballistics on it, but given its size, it should be stellar.
The ballistics are great, and it doesn't beat up your shoulder all that much.

I purchased it with the move out west in mind. With 150 grain bullets it should be nice for long range antelope and deer. For hunting in PA I use a 160 grain bullet.

[Dragoon44]

Real men use 416 rem magnum rifles.

:tongueout::rofl:

we hosted a LE shoot one time and had some vendors come and set up booths one of them was a Body armor manufacturer, he set up a level III vest wrapped around a concrete block and invited anyone who wanted to try and shoot thru the vest. the guy that did had brought a .426 rem magnum. It went thru the first panel disintegrated the concrete. block and out the back panel.

:rofl:

[4949shooter]

Real men use 416 rem magnum rifles.

:tongueout::rofl:

we hosted a LE shoot one time and had some vendors come and set up booths one of them was a Body armor manufacturer, he set up a level III vest wrapped around a concrete block and invited anyone who wanted to try and shoot thru the vest. the guy that did had brought a .426 rem magnum. It went thru the first panel disintegrated the concrete. block and out the back panel.

:rofl:
I bet that ended the test. :supergrin:

[Dragoon44]

I bet that ended the test. :supergrin:

Yep, the body armor guy conceded defeat.

:rofl::rofl:

[Pinki]

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

The M1 carbine is light, compact, and low recoil, it was a favorite of the NYC stakeout squad back in the 70's.

You should be able to find one cheaper than the MSRP.

They arent bad looking but of course the wood ones are not my style. That said, don't forget this is going to be a pink weapon :supergrin:

I called attorneys all over town today and finally found one that I believe does the Revocable trusts. His secretary was out today so I guess I'll hopefully get a call back tomorrow.

[Pinki]

Well the only thing I see above arguing for the SBR is:
1) Looks cool

In order to get those, you have to:
1) Pay to set up the trust.
2) File the paperwork and pay the tax.
3) File paperwork if you take it out of state.
4) May move to a state that wouldn't let you keep it.

Is that a worthwhile tradeoff for you?



also
2). Maybe impossible to get soon
3). More my size

:tongueout:

I looked at the paperwork today and :crying: I will need someone to go over it with me. I dont want to go to Raleigh to fill it out.

[Pinki]

I purchased it with the move out west in mind. With 150 grain bullets it should be nice for long range antelope and deer. For hunting in PA I use a 160 grain bullet.

I'm surprised you're not already packed :tongueout::tongueout::tongueout:

[Pinki]

Real men use 416 rem magnum rifles.

:tongueout::rofl:

we hosted a LE shoot one time and had some vendors come and set up booths one of them was a Body armor manufacturer, he set up a level III vest wrapped around a concrete block and invited anyone who wanted to try and shoot thru the vest. the guy that did had brought a .426 rem magnum. It went thru the first panel disintegrated the concrete. block and out the back panel.

:rofl:

:shocked: What is a 416 rem magnum rifle?

[Pinki]

I bet that ended the test. :supergrin:




Yep, the body armor guy conceded defeat.

:rofl::rofl:

:shocked: I imagine so :rofl:

[Pinki]

Ok peoples...I done did the thing. I ordered the Pink Anodized stripped upper and lower receiver set. There is a 4 to 6 week lead time :crying:

Anyway, so the first step is done.
Next step is getting the Living Revocable Trust set up but I need the upper and lower serial numbers first.
I also need some help with the forms :crying:

[Bogey]

:tongueout::rofl:

Yeah float my boat..he just doesn't interest me....doesn't make me giddy


:sadangel:

[Pinki]

:sadangel:

I'm not referring to you, Bogey :tongueout: :hugs:

I'm referring to someone else. I'll PM you. Although he hasn't sent me any IMs this week. I guess he got my drift :dunno:

[GPalmer]

The ballistics are great, and it doesn't beat up your shoulder all that much.

I purchased it with the move out west in mind. With 150 grain bullets it should be nice for long range antelope and deer. For hunting in PA I use a 160 grain bullet.
God yes, that would be the caliber I would choose if that's what I was doing. How hard is it to get ammo? Pretty rare?

also
2). Maybe impossible to get soon
3). More my size

That impossible to get soon might be a consideration. Reading the last attempt at an AWB from this June, the phrasing for the weapons that were grandfathered in were those which the owner was "In posession of" at the time of the ban. I didn't read the whole thing so I'm not sure if you could transfer them under it or not. Anyway, that COULD be read to mean that a weapon you had purchased but were waiting on ATF approval for was illegal. While you are the owner, you are not in possession of them, the FFL is.

The size question is more ambiguous for me to address since I can't tell you what feels right to you. I think the most critical measurement is the pull of the stock which is how long the stock is. Given an adjustable stock, I'm not sure if a longer weapon would bother you or not.


I looked at the paperwork today and :crying: I will need someone to go over it with me. I dont want to go to Raleigh to fill it out.
Yes dear, I'll hold your hand (and whatever other parts I can) through the process! :tongueout::rofl:

Ok peoples...I done did the thing. I ordered the Pink Anodized stripped upper and lower receiver set. There is a 4 to 6 week lead time
Blame the Obama Onslaught of buying for that one. It's crushed everyone! :supergrin:


Next step is getting the Living Revocable Trust set up but I need the upper and lower serial numbers first.
No you don't! A basic point of a revokable trust is that you can move things into it and out of it at will. I'm sure that it could be setup with something of negligible value for instance a dollar. You might be able to set it up with nothing, if you're using a lawyer ask him. You do need the serial numbers for the Form 1 though and you need the trust setup before you can send it.

[GPalmer]

I'm not referring to you, Bogey :tongueout: :hugs:

I'm referring to someone else. I'll PM you. Although he hasn't sent me any IMs this week. I guess he got my drift :dunno:
Oh, THAT's why you haven't been replying??!? :rofl::tongueout:

[Pinki]

That impossible to get soon might be a consideration. Reading the last attempt at an AWB from this June, the phrasing for the weapons that were grandfathered in were those which the owner was "In posession of" at the time of the ban. I didn't read the whole thing so I'm not sure if you could transfer them under it or not. Anyway, that COULD be read to mean that a weapon you had purchased but were waiting on ATF approval for was illegal. While you are the owner, you are not in possession of them, the FFL is.

:sad:

Will I have to go through an FFL for the short barrel? How will I get that?



The size question is more ambiguous for me to address since I can't tell you what feels right to you. I think the most critical measurement is the pull of the stock which is how long the stock is. Given an adjustable stock, I'm not sure if a longer weapon would bother you or not.

Well I dont need something that will make me topple over when I shoot it :rofl: The one AR I shot was very hard for me to shoot, and the other one I couldn't shoot without Glockmaster holding it up for me. But then again, he had all sorts of gadgets on them. I have not had the chance to shoot one without gadgets.



Yes dear, I'll hold your hand (and whatever other parts I can) through the process!

:rofl: :hugs:


Blame the Obama Onslaught of buying for that one. It's crushed everyone!

GRRRRRRR This is going to be a miserable four years (and I hope that's as long as it will be!)

No you don't! A basic point of a revokable trust is that you can move things into it and out of it at will. I'm sure that it could be setup with something of negligible value for instance a dollar. You might be able to set it up with nothing, if you're using a lawyer ask him. You do need the serial numbers for the Form 1 though and you need the trust setup before you can send it

Ok...well I'll ask the attorney if I can get one for a reasonable cost. I just wasnt sure how that works if the Attorney drafts it...will I have to pay him to rewrite it every time I move something in or out? Is it a document?

[Pinki]

Oh, THAT's why you haven't been replying??!?

:rofl::rofl:

I try not to be rude...I'll always reply...I just try to be more straight to the point...not as bubbly as I usually am.

[GPalmer]

Will I have to go through an FFL for the short barrel? How will I get that?
Nope, the barrel is not regulated. You will probably have to provide some documentation that you are in possession of either a AR lower registered as a pistol or SBR. I've never ordered them, the couple times I looked into it, the people selling them had a statement you had to sign and return stating you met the requirements.

Well I dont need something that will make me topple over when I shoot it
It's a pretty light rifle but you're pretty small also. Maybe you could take a trip to a local gun seller and try out some of their rifles or try some at the range to get a feel.

The one AR I shot was very hard for me to shoot, and the other one I couldn't shoot without Glockmaster holding it up for me.
Ahhh, but the one Glockmaster was holding up was easy to shoot? I think we've found another answer. You need a "gun boy"! :rofl:

Ok...well I'll ask the attorney if I can get one for a reasonable cost. I just wasnt sure how that works if the Attorney drafts it...
Well, if this attorney does them, he'll have a template setup and then tweak it to meet your needs. If he doesn't, the cost would be outrageous!

will I have to pay him to rewrite it every time I move something in or out? Is it a document?
No, as an example, with my trust it refers to a Schedule A. On that page is a listing of everything owned by the trust. To move stuff in and out of the trust all you have to do is change that page. The trust document is only changed when the terms of the trust change.

[GPalmer]

:rofl::rofl:

I try not to be rude...I'll always reply...I just try to be more straight to the point...not as bubbly as I usually am.
Yeah, you have nice bubbles! :aod:

[Pinki]

Nope, the barrel is not regulated. You will probably have to provide some documentation that you are in possession of either a AR lower registered as a pistol or SBR. I've never ordered them, the couple times I looked into it, the people selling them had a statement you had to sign and return stating you met the requirements.

Oh ok :thumbsup:


It's a pretty light rifle but you're pretty small also. Maybe you could take a trip to a local gun seller and try out some of their rifles or try some at the range to get a feel.

My range is a private range...there aren't any weapons to try unless it's someone's personal ones and I ask or they offer to let me shoot them.

Ahhh, but the one Glockmaster was holding up was easy to shoot? I think we've found another answer. You need a "gun boy"! :rofl:
:rofl: Yes, that would be ideal...but I cant seem to find the right one.

Well, if this attorney does them, he'll have a template setup and then tweak it to meet your needs. If he doesn't, the cost would be outrageous!


No, as an example, with my trust it refers to a Schedule A. On that page is a listing of everything owned by the trust. To move stuff in and out of the trust all you have to do is change that page. The trust document is only changed when the terms of the trust change.

Oh ok. :thumbsup:

[Pinki]

Yeah, you have nice bubbles! :aod:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Dragoon44]

:shocked: What is a 416 rem magnum rifle?

A Rifle primarily used to hunt big dangerous game.


4949 prefers guns to shoot chihuahuas with.

Snicker

[Pinki]

A Rifle primarily used to hunt big dangerous game.

:shocked: :sad:

[4949shooter]

I'm surprised you're not already packed :tongueout::tongueout::tongueout:
I'm working on it!

We're just biding out time until I can retire with bennies, and letting the kids finish high school.

FTW is moving out there also, but he will have to stay in Jersey longer unless he decides to retire in 20. I would like to get him to post more, but he goes on GNG and gets himself in trouble so I don't push it.

[4949shooter]

Ok peoples...I done did the thing. I ordered the Pink Anodized stripped upper and lower receiver set.

Congrats!!

[4949shooter]

A Rifle primarily used to hunt big dangerous game.


4949 prefers guns to shoot chihuahuas with.

Snicker
:rofl: :tongueout:

I'll buy a .416 mag if you come to Alaska with me to hunt brown bear with it!

i'll buy the plane tickets if you pay for the hunt. :supergrin:

[Pinki]

I'm working on it!

We're just biding out time until I can retire with bennies, and letting the kids finish high school.

:rofl: Yeah I can see :thumbsup:

FTW is moving out there also, but he will have to stay in Jersey longer unless he decides to retire in 20. I would like to get him to post more, but he goes on GNG and gets himself in trouble so I don't push it.
That's really cool. I still think we all need to move in some sort of proximity to each other. I dont blame you for not pushing FTW to post in GNG :rofl: Let me know if he would like an invite for the Posse. We dont post as much in here, but it's almost impossible for y'all to get in trouble in here :)

[Pinki]

Congrats!!

Thanks 4949! :hugs:

I dont know what I'm doing, but I'm going to do it :rofl:

[4949shooter]

That's really cool. I still think we all need to move in some sort of proximity to each other. I dont blame you for not pushing FTW to post in GNG :rofl: Let me know if he would like an invite for the Posse. We dont post as much in here, but it's almost impossible for y'all to get in trouble in here :)

FTW might want an invite but he probably won't post much. I'll see him tomorrow night.

We could have our own GT/CT compound out in AZ. We might even invite Dragoon if he could stand the dry heat. :supergrin:

[Pinki]

FTW might want an invite but he probably won't post much. I'll see him tomorrow night.

Lurking is perfectly fine, I sent him an invite and a friendship request too.



We could have our own GT/CT compound out in AZ. We might even invite Dragoon if he could stand the dry heat. :supergrin:

:rofl: :thumbsup: :cheerleader:

[Pinki]

I made an appointment to talk to an attorney on Thursday. I sure hope he is gun friendly and doesnt think I'm a looney bin. I shouldnt think he would, but it feels like guns are becoming a taboo thing. :sad: Wouldnt you know, I was trying to find a younger, maybe cheaper attorney but after calls all around town, was directed to him and he I think was the city attorney earlier in his carrier. I just remember seeing his name in the paper a lot. :dunno:

[GPalmer]

FTW might want an invite but he probably won't post much. I'll see him tomorrow night.

We could have our own GT/CT compound out in AZ. We might even invite Dragoon if he could stand the dry heat. :supergrin:
That was always where I wanted to retire to. Let the market recover a bit so I can sell off the house in California and I'm there. Florida, Bahhhh! :supergrin: Any restrictions on toys out there?

[GPalmer]

:rofl: :tongueout:

I'll buy a .416 mag if you come to Alaska with me to hunt brown bear with it!

i'll buy the plane tickets if you pay for the hunt. :supergrin:
If he were a man he would have at least mentioned a 458 Weatherby Magnum, not sure I'd want to hunt bear with someone with limp wrists. You might have to go Deliverance on his butt! :rofl::rofl:

[4949shooter]

Any restrictions on toys out there?
I don't think so....

But you gotta remember I'm coming from NJ, so just about anything will seem a whole lot better to me.

[4949shooter]

If he were a man he would have at least mentioned a 458 Weatherby Magnum, not sure I'd want to hunt bear with someone with limp wrists. You might have to go Deliverance on his butt! :rofl::rofl:
:animlol: :faint:

[4949shooter]

If all goes well I should be picking up the new AR tomorrow....

[Pinki]

If all goes well I should be picking up the new AR tomorrow....

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

[GPalmer]

:animlol: :faint:
Something to practice with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE)

[GPalmer]

If all goes well I should be picking up the new AR tomorrow....
Congrats!

[4949shooter]

Something to practice with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE)
That's one of my favorite all time movie scenes. :thumbsup:

[4949shooter]

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Congrats!

Thanks! Hopefully I'll be hitching a ride with one of the guys from work today. He's picking up an M4. :cool:

[Pinki]

Thanks! Hopefully I'll be hitching a ride with one of the guys from work today. He's picking up an M4. :cool:

:thumbsup: Very cool! But, that wouldn't happen to be Mike would it? :supergrin: :rofl:

[4949shooter]

:thumbsup: Very cool! But, that wouldn't happen to be Mike would it? :supergrin: :rofl:
Not this time!

[Pinki]

Not this time!

:sadangel: :rofl:

[4949shooter]

I hope everyone is having a good weekend. Here are some pics of the new AR (Remington R15):

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/R15Pics008.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/R15Pics003.jpg

[4949shooter]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/R15Pics004.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/R15Pics002.jpg

And here is Cooper (and my son's leg):

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/R15Pics001.jpg

[GPalmer]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/4949shooter/R15Pics004.jpg
Very nice! I'm bumming, my Form 4's got approved 13 days ago and they still haven't arrived at the FFL so no Saiga's for me! :crying:

[Pinki]

Very nice looking rifle, 49! And of course very nice doggie! :hearts: (not looking at the Coyote!)

[4949shooter]

Very nice! I'm bumming, my Form 4's got approved 13 days ago and they still haven't arrived at the FFL so no Saiga's for me! :crying:

Bummer. They'll be in soon I'm sure.

[4949shooter]

Very nice looking rifle, 49! And of course very nice doggie! :hearts: (not looking at the Coyote!)
Thanks!

Actually, Cooper thinks the coyote is his friend. I can't bring it down off the cabinet anymore because Cooper tries to play rough and he might knock the tail off. :rofl:

[GPalmer]

Thanks!

Actually, Cooper thinks the coyote is his friend. I can't bring it down off the cabinet anymore because Cooper tries to play rough and he might knock the tail off. :rofl:
LOL, but Cooper's a cutie! Looks like he'd be a lot of fun to roughhouse with. Haven't had a dog big enough to do that in years here! :crying: Looks like he's smart AND full of the devil! :rofl:

[Pinki]

Thanks!

Actually, Cooper thinks the coyote is his friend. I can't bring it down off the cabinet anymore because Cooper tries to play rough and he might knock the tail off. :rofl:

That's funny! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[GPalmer]

Well, tax stamp one of two is in hand and so is one of two Saigas! :supergrin: Gotta go, off to the range! :supergrin::wavey:

[4949shooter]

Well, tax stamp one of two is in hand and so is one of two Saigas! :supergrin: Gotta go, off to the range! :supergrin::wavey:

Awesome!

[Pinki]

Well, tax stamp one of two is in hand and so is one of two Saigas! :supergrin: Gotta go, off to the range! :supergrin::wavey:

:cheerleader: :cheerleader:

[blueiron]

The heck with coyotes.... they will attack and eat dogs and cats, ya know.

[4949shooter]

Welcome back!

[Pinki]

The heck with coyotes.... they will attack and eat dogs and cats, ya know.

I know...I try not to think about it :notlistening:

[GPalmer]

Well, let me say happiness is... A new Tromix! I had a great time ran through about 150 rounds of mixed slugs and buckshot, high power, low power, 3", 2 3/4", in short, all over the place. Tony and Bob had warned me the Door Breacher / Muzzle Break would be a interesting in an 8" and it was. Hand got real black from the powder. Not that that was so bad but all the powder flakes it drove into my arm is interesting. Looks like I was attacked by a cat. :rofl:

Strangely enough, the guy next to me had a stock Saiga-12. First other person I've run into at the range with one. He was telling me he felt like feeling pretty proud of having one until I pulled up next to him with mine... :whistling::rofl:

[Pinki]

He was telling me he felt like feeling pretty proud of having one until I pulled up next to him with mine...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:thumbsup:

[GPalmer]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
He also thought I could kill them at 10 yards with the sound alone. He wouldn't give it a try. Must have been an interesting sight from the side where he was watching... I noticed I burned some hair off my forearm from the back blast... :whistling:

[4949shooter]

Well, let me say happiness is... A new Tromix! I had a great time ran through about 150 rounds of mixed slugs and buckshot, high power, low power, 3", 2 3/4", in short, all over the place. Tony and Bob had warned me the Door Breacher / Muzzle Break would be a interesting in an 8" and it was. Hand got real black from the powder. Not that that was so bad but all the powder flakes it drove into my arm is interesting. Looks like I was attacked by a cat. :rofl:

Strangely enough, the guy next to me had a stock Saiga-12. First other person I've run into at the range with one. He was telling me he felt like feeling pretty proud of having one until I pulled up next to him with mine... :whistling::rofl:
Got pics?

[Pinki]

I noticed I burned some hair off my forearm from the back blast... :whistling:

:shocked::shocked:

[Pinki]

Got pics?

+ 1 :thumbsup:

[GPalmer]

Got pics?
Can't take any right now, my son wandered off with the camera last night right before I picked up the Tromix. With any luck I should be getting the other one tonight. One kinda messed up thing though. I actually managed to shoot the muzzle brake off the end of the gun.

Now when I try threading the muzzle break on it's not quite right, sorta sloppy. It looks like I rounded the top of some of the threads on the barrel and probably stripped them on the muzzle break. D'Oh!!! And Tromix is closed down until November 24th. Still works nice with the flash hider though, it's a nice tight threading.

[Pinki]

I spoke to the attorney today and he wasn't very helpful. He said he's not familiar with NFA trusts and that he would want an example. I'm not sure I like the idea of doing the whole thing for him and then still having to pay $350.00. So, I'm going to try one more avenue...that is asking a coworker to ask her Dad (a Deputy) :rofl: if our Sheriff signs off on them. If not, I think I'm going to go ahead and stick with a 16 inch barrel and forget the short barrel. What's a few inches anyway? :whistling: :rofl: I have some other expenses I'm anticipating anyway...

[GPalmer]

I spoke to the attorney today and he wasn't very helpful. He said he's not familiar with NFA trusts and that he would want an example.
Jesus, what a lazy ****, he wants to charge you money for doing his research? Only positive thing I could suggest about that is that it really is a basic revocable living trust and maybe he didn't know that... :whistling: Hey, it's not like you're paying the money for his knowledge and experience is it? :embarassed: Oops, I guess it is... :rofl:

So, I'm going to try one more avenue...that is asking a coworker to ask her Dad (a Deputy) :rofl: if our Sheriff signs off on them. If not, I think I'm going to go ahead and stick with a 16 inch barrel and forget the short barrel. What's a few inches anyway? I have some other expenses I'm anticipating anyway...
Let me know if I can help!

[Pinki]

Jesus, what a lazy ****, he wants to charge you money for doing his research? Only positive thing I could suggest about that is that it really is a basic revocable living trust and maybe he didn't know that... :whistling: Hey, it's not like you're paying the money for his knowledge and experience is it? :embarassed: Oops, I guess it is...

:rofl: He was I guess trying to make it more complicated than it is...


Let me know if I can help!
With the expenses? :supergrin::tongueout:

Actually I called the Sheriff's Department today and I spoke to the secretary who I thought was going to retire when the current Sheriff took office but it looks like she stuck around. She's a very nice older lady so I'm glad she didnt retire. Anyway, she didn't know if he signs, so she said bring the forms in. What I'll do is wait until the upper and lower come, then I will fill out the forms as if he's going to sign and bring them in. If he refuses...no big deal..I'll just go with a 16 inch barrel....

[GPalmer]

Well, I'm a happy man, the second tax stamp finally showed up and I picked up the second saiga today. I tried calling the ATF to see where it had gone earlier in the week and they routed me to the wrong examiner. He just ignored my questions and wouldn't call back...

[SPDSNYPR]

Congrats GP. Now post pics you rat bastard so I can be jealous.

[Pinki]

Well, I'm a happy man, the second tax stamp finally showed up and I picked up the second saiga today. I tried calling the ATF to see where it had gone earlier in the week and they routed me to the wrong examiner. He just ignored my questions and wouldn't call back...

I'm glad you got the other tax stamp now GP :cheerleader: :cheerleader:


I dont think I would want to bug a an ATF examiner.... :shocked:

[volsbear]

Am I the only one concerned about the prospect of Pinki owning a rifle capable of 300 yard accuracy? Or... 300 yard INaccuracy.

[Pinki]

Am I the only one concerned about the prospect of Pinki owning a rifle capable of 300 yard accuracy? Or... 300 yard INaccuracy.

:tongueout: I think you are. So there.

[Pinki]

My purchases from the gun show today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Piscesgirl/ARparts.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Piscesgirl/pinkknife.jpg

Luckily it just so happened that a guy who was one of my ROs from the GSSF match last week was at the AR booth and so he helped me pick out the things I needed and gave me some suggestions for what else to get. :thumbsup:

[4949shooter]

My purchases from the gun show today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Piscesgirl/ARparts.jpg


Looks good. :thumbsup:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Piscesgirl/pinkknife.jpg


Awww......:hearts:

[Pinki]

Looks good. :thumbsup:

Thanks 4949!!! :)



Awww......:hearts:

:hugs:

It's my first knife. :) Knives give me the eeebie jeebies so I'm starting with a small one, LOL.