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Mwildt
11-11-2008, 23:47
Sadly, I don't know anybody personally in the Air Force. All my family and friends that are in the military are in the Army or Marines. So I turn to my friends here...

I'm roughly two weeks from signing my enlistment papers and am simply looking for some info from people that are currently serving or have. I've processed through MEPS and everything is in order. I'm just waiting on my recruiter to get the latest availability/bonus sheets for jobs at Wright-Patterson. My AFQT is an 82 and according to my recruiter my line scores are plenty high to qualify for virtually any job that may be open at Wright-Patterson.

Right now my recruiter is telling me to plan on picking from 2A (pretty much ruled out due to long tech school), 2F, 2T, 3E and 3M just based off the normal availability that comes up at Wright-Patterson. Does anybody have any insight into the aforementioned AFCSs?

Second, any insight as to what the deployment probablility for the aforementioned jobs are? I have no problem what so ever being called up. However, I'm currently ~2 semesters away from graduating. In all honesty, I'd like to be able to knock that out with relatively little interference from being called up. Then after that I'd look forward to going active duty. Again though, if it happens, it happens.

Thanks in advance,

Matt

MrMurphy
11-12-2008, 02:53
Not sure what those jobs are (I'm a cop, 3PO51).

Reserves/Guard, from my experience, tend to deploy "when they want to". We've had Guard and Reserve augmentees come to our unit (which counts for them as a deployment) to fill hole while our guys are downrange (augmentees who aren't cops). C-130 mechanics, personnel troops, etc, and it does count as a deployment.

Kind of varies unit by unit I guess.


For BMT advice... what's your age, any military experience, job experience etc? I went in at 27.5 and it was quite different for me than some of the 17 year olds. :)

6F0 Nick
11-12-2008, 08:11
If you go to about.com and type in the AFSC, it will give you all the info about those jobs, their tech school lengths, deployment rates (different for the reserves though), etc. Basic will be a breeze if you are in any kind of decent shape. They really set you up for success and honestly do not want to see you fail. Just stick with it, realize that you are probably going to miss your family, and that missing your family is a stupid reason to try and get out of basic training.
Good luck man!

Mwildt
11-12-2008, 08:12
Ha, that's pretty funny for I turned 27 in September. I'm working myself back into shape now before going to basic in January. I'm by no means out of shape, just not what I used to be ;)

I get questioned by virtually everybody about my age. Most people put me at 21-22 off looks alone. I'm hoping that will save me some of the "old man" stuff.

Mwildt
11-12-2008, 08:17
If you go to about.com and type in the AFSC, it will give you all the info about those jobs, their tech school lengths, deployment rates (different for the reserves though), etc. Basic will be a breeze if you are in any kind of decent shape. They really set you up for success and honestly do not want to see you fail. Just stick with it, realize that you are probably going to miss your family, and that missing your family is a stupid reason to try and get out of basic training.
Good luck man!

Yeah, I've read that site countless times about my job choice. It's just always nice to hear from those that have experience and can offer advice about certain jobs.

I look forward to basic and the welcome absence from being away from the family too :supergrin: I know I'll be back sooner than later so it wont' be that bad.

MrMurphy
11-12-2008, 09:23
I "look young" for my age (I've had estimates as low as 18 when I was 29, to mid 20s, and I'm now 31) but it didn't save me from much.

If you're a dorm chief, element leader, latrine queen, dorm guard monitor (guard captain) or any other command/leader type position, expect to get crapped all over.

Dean
11-12-2008, 09:45
Get you something high tech or medical, if you like those fields.
You're going to Iraq or Afghanistan, quite likely. You know that, don't you?
Don't be afraid of long tech schools.
Make sure you want the reserves. Sometimes active duty is the better way to go (for some people), and they don't always let you upgrade. :drillsgt:

Mwildt
11-12-2008, 10:00
Get you something high tech or medical, if you like those fields.
You're going to Iraq or Afghanistan, quite likely. You know that, don't you?
Don't be afraid of long tech schools.
Make sure you want the reserves. Sometimes active duty is the better way to go (for some people), and they don't always let you upgrade. :drillsgt:


I've pretty much been told there's nothing open within medical or security forces. Apparently there hasn't been in a long time for Wright-Patterson so I'm not holding my breath for those.

Again, I'm fine with getting called up to ship out. I would like to graduate first though. I would wait till after I've graduated to sign up, but the whole age thing is cutting it close and I'd like to get the process rolling for I'm not getting any younger.

6F0 Nick
11-13-2008, 10:20
Try to find something you could apply to your regular daily life since you won't be a full-timer. Your tech school counts as college credit so if it is a job you want to do as a career, you are already a step ahead as far as a degree goes.

afcop724
11-13-2008, 17:14
Anybody can "make it" through basic. It's not hard. At all. It is entertaining though, you'll have a good time laughing at the kids that actually cry. I'd keep your age secret if you can when you get to tech school, from what i've seen they put the old guys in charge. It might sound cool at first but all you do is babysit and get yelled at for stupid people doing what they do best. Also, if you've already got college out of the way, are you sure you want to enlist?

mortpes
11-13-2008, 17:37
Start running 10 miles a day tonight, now. Pick up rough cement block from Lowes or Home Depo. Toss it up in the air 30 times daily. Find some overhead bars or make your own and do pull ups 50 a day. Then maybe you can enjoy the training. Most folks have nooooo idea of the physical preparation needed.

Mwildt
11-13-2008, 18:43
Anybody can "make it" through basic. It's not hard. At all. It is entertaining though, you'll have a good time laughing at the kids that actually cry. I'd keep your age secret if you can when you get to tech school, from what i've seen they put the old guys in charge. It might sound cool at first but all you do is babysit and get yelled at for stupid people doing what they do best. Also, if you've already got college out of the way, are you sure you want to enlist?

Yeah, I'm really not worried about the physical aspect of basic. Just going to do what I'm told, when I'm told and keep my mouth shut. I'm just dreading the haircuts, stuff doesn't grow back as fast anymore :supergrin:

As far as why I'm going. It's something I've always wanted to do. Figured I've put it off long enough at this point. Also, I'll be heading to grad school after undergrad so the GI Bill will be nice to have to help out with that.

MrMurphy
11-14-2008, 00:02
10 miles a day is a great way to get physically screwed up.

I'm counting the days til I get out, from destroyed knees. They were fine when I got in.

If you can do 30 pushups at a time, repeated every five or ten minutes, toss in crunches and running for a mile plus, you'll be fine to start.

Stop drinking Cokes and eating sugary food now (caffeine/sugar withdrawals suck).

In my BMT flight we had a 34, 31, two 27s (me and another guy) a 25 and a herd of 21-22s and then under.

Because I had leadership experience (college ROTC) I got stuck as an element leader at first. The 34 year old was a Forrest Gump type so no luck there, the 31 year old (high school teacher) became our education monitor (making sure everyone memorized the chain of command, etc). A loud screamer type (23ish) was dorm chief.

I lasted a week (after turning down the job at the start, because I knew the TI wanted screamers, which is not how you actually lead) and the dorm guard monitor became the new dorm chief, I became the dorm guard monitor and the old dorm chief became element leader.

We ended having the youngest guys (except him) as the element leaders because at 18 they didn't know any better, yelled a lot and made fools of themselves. We pretty much just did what we had to and ignored them.

Mwildt
11-14-2008, 13:10
Thanks for everybody that has chimed in so far.

I just got done talking with my recruiter about job selection. Pretty much limited to 2T2X1 - air transportation or 3E6X1 - operations management. I'm leaning towards the 3E6X1 for it appears to be more challenging along with being somewhat related to what I want to do in the long-run.

Anybody have any personal insight to either?


Thanks again.

MrMurphy
11-14-2008, 14:50
The fact that AMC troops refer to themselves as Alcoholics Moving Cargo should tell you something. :)


Ops management can be a good career in and out of uniform. As a civvy you'll have experience handling a lot of stuff, that can get you into various other civvy jobs.

Mwildt
11-14-2008, 14:56
The fact that AMC troops refer to themselves as Alcoholics Moving Cargo should tell you something. :)


Ops management can be a good career in and out of uniform. As a civvy you'll have experience handling a lot of stuff, that can get you into various other civvy jobs.

Haha, I may stay away from transportation on that advice alone. Maybe 3 or 4 years ago, but not today. :ack:

bluelineman
11-15-2008, 07:56
Thanks for everybody that has chimed in so far.

I just got done talking with my recruiter about job selection. Pretty much limited to 2T2X1 - air transportation or 3E6X1 - operations management. I'm leaning towards the 3E6X1 for it appears to be more challenging along with being somewhat related to what I want to do in the long-run.

Anybody have any personal insight to either?


Thanks again.

GT member "grapeshad" is a USAF Reserve MSgt in Air Transportation, he can answer a lot of questions for you. He did for me. Very helpful guy. To save him a little work, I'll repost what he sent me in a PM. (I am prior service, so some of this may not apply to you. This PM was from 1.5 yrs ago)


Ok..let me see if I can help you out here..you asked the right guy because my wife is the Unit Education and Training Manager/TCO.

First I assume you have a break in service? Secondly you should not have to attend the 5 week Tech School at Lackland. Prior service more than likely attend the 2 week TPC school at Dobbins ARB in Marietta GA. Really a great class and I think better than the tech school.

Let me break down waht an APS consists of:

CARGO Section: This is the section that is responsible for pallet buildup and breakdown, using nets and straps to build the pallets, unloading of trucks, usually drive the 4K and 10K forktrucks in their duties. Being in the AF you must have seen cargo palletized on planes..someone needs to build that cargo and that would be a function of the Cargo section.

RAMP Section: After the cargo is palletized, someone needs to transport it to the aircraft. This is where the Ramp sections comes in. Driving 10K AT, 25K and 60K Tunners which transport the pallets to the aircraft. Ramp needs to load the planes, secure the cargo on the aircraft using tiedowns, cahins and devices and what not. Also will load vehicles on planes sometimes. Ramp also unloads the aircraft and brings the cargo back to the warehouse for Cargo to breakdown

SPECIAL Handling: Sort of a glorified Cargo section...you are responsible for handling just as the name says Special Cargo. This includes Human Remains, anything hazmat etc..also responsible for running a marshalling yard in order to move units for deployment etc Ammo, reg mail, explosives again all Hazmat

ATOC: This is the nerve section of the Aerial Port- all information flows in, through and down from ATOC to all the other sections. Within ATOC there is Info Control, Load Planning and Ramp Control.


You may or may not have the following sections:


FLEET: Responsible for defleeting the planes, basically scrubbing planes down(emptying the lavs, cleaning the pax seating areas, taking trash off plane) and then re-equipping the plane with meals, freash stuff and all that


Pax Service: Just waht the name says...Responsible for getting passengers on the plane, moving their luggage ...pretty much doing what you would see at a United Airlines counter

Sam White
11-17-2008, 17:30
Reserves/Guard, from my experience, tend to deploy "when they want to".

At my Air National Guard base each unit calls for volunteers during each AEF cycle. Usually there is no trouble finding volunteers, sometimes there more volunteers than slots. This is for units outside of SF, though. Most of the SF from our base have been on involuntary activations.

Iraq, Qatar, and Kyrgystan seem to be the most popular destinations.

I met some Reserve folks in Qatar who had deployed in a manner similar to ours.

Also, your unit will probably want you to be a 5 skill level before you go somewhere. So, you will have some time to finish school at home before you go somewhere.

MrMurphy
11-17-2008, 21:28
Qatar and Kyrgyzstan are considered "vacations" by cops (yeah, it sucks being there, but nobody's normally shooting at you).

Qatar is about to become a permanent post, 1 year PCS like Korea.

Sam White
11-17-2008, 23:42
My friends from my old Army unit would consider any of our trips vacations. Iraq, Qatar, and Kyrgyzstan are the places I see people in the Guard and Reserves actually go on Title 10 orders. The only time our people see Aviano is on the way to somewhere else.

We're getting settled in over in the Deid/Qatar; the OP can plan on going there if he volunteers to go somewhere.

LilCop2002
11-18-2008, 16:22
Qatar and Kyrgyzstan are considered "vacations" by cops (yeah, it sucks being there, but nobody's normally shooting at you).

Qatar is about to become a permanent post, 1 year PCS like Korea.

I absolutely loved my 6 months at Qatar. Hell, I volunteered to go back, but was told no by my Chain of Command.

use2b6L32
11-19-2008, 23:45
The 'Deid sucks, but Camp Snoopy was the shiznit! Before it closed...

CPT_CRUNCH
11-20-2008, 00:57
i can speak on the 2T side, you're roughly talking about the transportation afsc's. you need some more digits to specify, man. 2T's is the transportation field. consisting of anything from vehicle mechanics, vehicle operators (drivers), shipping and crating (fed ex), traffic management (coordinating moving peoples furniture when they switch bases), or building pallets (HOOAH). i've managed all of these afscs (as a transportation/logistics officer). it depends on what you want to do. IMO many people get the trans field cause they want to get in the af right now. theres good civilian skills learned but often times people get frustrated w/ the job. many of the mentioned afscs deploy frequently especially vehicle ops (convoys suck) and vehicle maintenance.

regarding 2T2X1, as a loggie IMO its the most gratifying job in the af. you'll be building/pushing 463L pallets and will have the sweat and satisfaction of prepping and getting the goods to those that need them. 2T2's are also an extremely tight AFSC. you'll feel the most at home at AMC bases w/ cargo planes.

hope this helps...

CPT_CRUNCH
11-20-2008, 01:04
[quote=
Qatar is about to become a permanent post, 1 year PCS like Korea.[/quote]

for the army (and some navy i believe) qatar is already a permanent post, you can even bring your family and stay off post.

CPT_CRUNCH
11-20-2008, 01:04
[quote
Qatar is about to become a permanent post, 1 year PCS like Korea.[/quote]

for the army (and some navy i believe) qatar is already a permanent post, you can even bring your family and stay off post.

Sam White
11-20-2008, 14:31
many of the mentioned afscs deploy frequently especially vehicle ops (convoys suck) and vehicle maintenance

Our 2T's go to Iraq to work with the Army doing convoys when they're deployed. Three of them came back last time with the Air Force Combat Action Medal.

I've helped them load planes a couple of times and it was a gratifying experience.

Mwildt
11-23-2008, 20:47
i can speak on the 2T side, you're roughly talking about the transportation afsc's. you need some more digits to specify, man. 2T's is the transportation field. consisting of anything from vehicle mechanics, vehicle operators (drivers), shipping and crating (fed ex), traffic management (coordinating moving peoples furniture when they switch bases), or building pallets (HOOAH). i've managed all of these afscs (as a transportation/logistics officer). it depends on what you want to do. IMO many people get the trans field cause they want to get in the af right now. theres good civilian skills learned but often times people get frustrated w/ the job. many of the mentioned afscs deploy frequently especially vehicle ops (convoys suck) and vehicle maintenance.

regarding 2T2X1, as a loggie IMO its the most gratifying job in the af. you'll be building/pushing 463L pallets and will have the sweat and satisfaction of prepping and getting the goods to those that need them. 2T2's are also an extremely tight AFSC. you'll feel the most at home at AMC bases w/ cargo planes.

hope this helps...



Thanks a bunch! You guys have been great in offering advice, I can't think you all enough.

I'm 99% certain I'll be pursuing the 2T2X1 route. You hit the nail on the head about wanting to get in right now. I'm cutting it close with the age thing and I'm wanting to be able to sit out next semester then be able to come back in time for summer classes. Also, I don't want to be in Texas in the dead of summer for basic. :wow:

question mark
11-24-2008, 08:50
Thanks a bunch! You guys have been great in offering advice, I can't think you all enough.

I'm 99% certain I'll be pursuing the 2T2X1 route. You hit the nail on the head about wanting to get in right now. I'm cutting it close with the age thing and I'm wanting to be able to sit out next semester then be able to come back in time for summer classes. Also, I don't want to be in Texas in the dead of summer for basic. :wow:

I'm a maintainer and I work with these guys. Let me sum up quick what they do. Push pallets on off planes, suck turds, take the trash of the jet, throw bags on the comercial type jets, herd passengers around. IMHO, they have a crappier job than me, I think only being a cop would be a worse pick than a "port dog".

Take the CE job, your crazy not to.

MrMurphy
11-24-2008, 09:35
Cops don't have to drive the "Crap Sucking Truck" and definitely don't think (as some have told us) that it's the "Best job in their field" because they don't have to deal with people, just do the job.

Any job where driving a SST is the highlight of the job, is not one I would do.....

Ralff
11-24-2008, 11:25
Cops don't have to drive the "Crap Sucking Truck" and definitely don't think (as some have told us) that it's the "Best job in their field" because they don't have to deal with people, just do the job.

Any job where driving a SST is the highlight of the job, is not one I would do.....


While in Kuwait, we had to escort the TCN's that were driving the honey wagon. We weren't cops ourselves but we fell under the cop chain of command. It was the best assignment to get because you got to follow them around in a 4x4 Pajero with AC. :supergrin:

6F0 Nick
11-24-2008, 12:38
While in Kuwait, we had to escort the TCN's that were driving the honey wagon. We weren't cops ourselves but we fell under the cop chain of command. It was the best assignment to get because you got to follow them around in a 4x4 Pajero with AC. :supergrin:
When I was in Kyrgyzstan, we had to ride IN the honey wagon! Ulgh!!
Don't drink the blue stuff, it is NOT minty!!:drink:

Ralff
11-24-2008, 12:57
When I was in Kyrgyzstan, we had to ride IN the honey wagon! Ulgh!!
Don't drink the blue stuff, it is NOT minty!!:drink:

So you had to ride in between two of them?

I'm not sure if the smell from the contents of the truck would be worse or ...