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Timber Wolf
11-26-2008, 09:20

City to limit concealed weapons
Executive order coming in wake of Folklife shooting

Last updated June 6, 2008 11:50 p.m. PT


Two weeks after a shooting at Seattle's Northwest Folklife Festival, Mayor Greg Nickels reportedly plans to announce restrictions Monday on concealed weapons on city property.

Nickels' office declined to offer any details about the executive order. A news conference was scheduled at the Police Department with Nickels, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske and state legislators.

In a news release, the initiative was described as aimed at "making the city safer from guns." It follows the shooting late last month that left three people wounded at Seattle Center.

"Essentially, my understanding is that Mayor Nickels is going to announce an (executive order) pertaining to prohibiting weapons on city property. I believe it is in response to the shootings at the Folklife Festival," said one official close to the situation. The accused shooter, Clinton Grainger, 22, carried a concealed pistol license, despite a history of mental illness that didn't meet the standard for denying his license application. The Snohomish County resident has been charged in King County Superior Court with second-degree assault. Authorities say his gun fired as he tried to remove it from an ankle holster during a fight. A single bullet injured one man's nose, passed through another person's hand and lodged in a woman's leg, authorities said.

Executive orders are directives to city departments. They do not require City Council approval. They typically don't apply to the general public, but to the policies and actions of city employees, agencies and properties. For example, the mayor has issued orders requiring Seattle agencies to avoid buying bottled water and to provide job benefits to the same-sex partners of city workers.

Officials from Seattle Parks and Recreation met with Nickels' staff Friday to discuss what options might be available for improving safety in public places and city parks.

Two years ago, Nickels and Kerlikowske helped lead an unsuccessful campaign to adopt stricter state regulations requiring background checks on private sales at gun shows. The measure died in the Legislature in the face of opposition from gun rights groups. Last December, Nickels convened a summit on gun violence, bringing together local and federal police agencies with researchers and experts. Some of the presentations focused on the public health costs of gun crimes and the so-called gun show loophole.

Any attempt by a city or county to ban guns outright in public parks -- unless it exempted holders of permits to carry concealed weapons -- would be illegal under state law, which pre-empts local governments from enacting gun laws that are stricter than state codes, said Dave Workman, senior editor and Western bureau chief for Gun Week magazine.

Those carrying a concealed handgun without a license would already be illegal, he said.

State pre-emption was intended to prevent confusion over having a variety of different gun laws, depending on which city or county you were in.

"This business at Folklife is the only time I've heard of some guy with a concealed pistol license doing something like that," he said. "Usually with these shootings, if you look at them, they're 19 or 20 years old, and they're not even old enough to be licensed to carry a concealed pistol."


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Timber Wolf
11-26-2008, 09:20
Another mention:

Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels has launched an attack on law-abiding gun owners who either live in the city, or visit there, by forging ahead with a plan to ban all firearms, including those legally carried by law-abiding citizens. He is doing this in defiance of an opinion from Attorney General Rob McKenna that such a ban would be illegal under Washington State’s model preemption statute.

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms encourages Washington State residents, and citizens from across the country who regularly visit Seattle, to submit comments to the city via its website:

On December 15, 2008, a public hearing will be held in the Bertha Knight Landes room at Seattle City Hall, 600 Fourth Avenue, with sign-in beginning at 5:30 p.m.

Mayor Nickels’ proposed plan would impair the rights of citizens to bear arms, as affirmed by Article 1, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution. He would prevent citizens licensed to carry firearms in public places from exercising that right on city-owned property, including city parks and the Seattle Center.

Citizens may also e-mail Mayor Nickels directly:

You may also call the Mayor's office: (206) 684-4000.

12-01-2008, 21:29
Ok I am not an activist however I believe a right not exercised is a right lost.

Teach me how to fish on this subject!

Timber Wolf
12-06-2008, 16:53
I'm just trying to learn to fish, myself.

12-16-2008, 16:30
One of the rarest of instances. A CCL holder causing a problem. You just don't see that very often.
Wonder what exactly the condition was that made it legal for him to have the license but maybe not actually stable enough at the same time.

12-23-2008, 09:21
Were you guys at the city hall meeting last week? It certainly didn't give the Mayor a brain; he was grousing about gun shows the next morning on the Dave Ross show. But it was fun to see a room packed with pro RKBA people live and in person.

12-23-2008, 11:07
If he knowingly pushes city laws that violate state laws, can he be held personally accountable? That would be outside the duty of his office, so he shouldn't have protection in that regard, correct? I foresee a legal challenge, and a lawsuit that names him personally.

12-23-2008, 12:01
Generally politicians are well protected from the consequences of their official acts. But in terms of stopping those acts, Second Amendment Foundation is already saying they will seek court action if the Mayor erodes state pre emption. And pre emption is the keystone to Washington firearms law. So, if you haven't lately, give a visit to
and hit a donation button there. These guys are often the first in to legal action like this and I'm not just saying that because I worked there for a year. Boyd

12-23-2008, 12:02
Generally politicians are well protected from the consequences of their official acts.

generally, that protection only extends to official duties (which he could claim he is doing) and lawful activities (which he knows he is not).

12-23-2008, 12:23
generally, that protection only extends to official duties (which he could claim he is doing) and lawful activities (which he knows he is not).
Yes, clearly... is there someplace we have disagreed?

The immediate problem is that the mayor of the states largest city has made clear his intent to balkanize firearms law in our state. Stopping that threat should be our first priority. A couple in state organizations have stood up to say they will act (and CCRKBA has acted to a degree), I'm just saying we should help ourselves by helping them stop Nickles.

01-05-2009, 23:00
Man that mayor is an idiot! Sports radio has been making fun of him all day for faking like he was trying to save the Seattle Supersonics when he doesn't know a lick about basketball. He also made unqualified statements concerning the Seattle Pacific University basketball team trying to seem like a savior of the city.

He should do us a favor and keep his hands off of things he knows jack about.

Concerning the shooter. He should not be getting into fights if he is carrying. A CCW is for self-defense. I hope he doesn't mess things up for the rest of the responsibly carrying population here. Why I got my CCW was because I was accosted on a date in the city of Seattle of all things at 2 AM in the morning (after a late movie) almost to my car where a street person approached us. I don't care about myself (I took Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and Karate before) so much as protecting someone else (the girl I was with) if things got over my head. I did my best to talk the person away from us, so as to leave which we did successfully. From that day (and the 1 month waiting period) on is when I started carrying for such possible situations in the future.

Mayor Nickels... your course of action would make me and the people I am with perfectly unarmed victims of the criminals' rights you are protecting. That's right Mr. Mayor... you are protecting the health of future muggers and rapists.

01-06-2009, 07:57
He should do us a favor and keep his hands off of things he knows jack about.

This is true for all politicians.

Too bad they are incapable of such restraint.

01-06-2009, 11:16
Too bad this isn't the outpost or I would have a few choice words.

01-07-2009, 01:08
Heh, heh. So true, so true.