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Carbonfly
11-28-2008, 18:43
I'm looking for clarification on how the target is scored so that I can practice before I got to get my South Carolina CWP in January. I think we have to shoot at 5,10,15,20, and 25 yards (10 rounds each).

1. What is the time limit?
2. How is the target scored? I hear that you need to get 70%, is that just 70% of shots in the silhouette target?

Thanks a bunch. I just wanna practice as much as possible before hand.

sc1911cwp
11-30-2008, 13:28
Gee you should be able to find out by asking the instructor. Be that as it may, I remember you having to shoot at a B-12 target and just hit it in the black. My instructor encouraged us to spread them out to make it easier to count. BTW, if you can't hit this target you have no reason EVER to have a gun for CWP:)

Carbonfly
11-30-2008, 16:00
Thanks. I figured it was as long it was in the black the shot would count, but I wanted to be sure.

The Pontificator
11-30-2008, 18:09
There is no firing from 25 yards.

JohnHoliday
12-03-2008, 08:29
The state requires 30 shots I think, for 3-5-7 years. Most places will get you to shoot a little more, and from a little further away, but even if you have never shot a pistol before, you should have no problem.

Carbonfly
12-03-2008, 08:42
Thanks. I talked to a friend last night that got his SC CWP a few years ago and this is what he said.....

1. Shoot targets at 5, 10, 15, & 20 yards
2. Only get to load 5 rounds at a time, but you shoot 2x5 at each target distance.
3. First 5 rounds, you have to draw from holster and fire shots within something like 3-5 seconds.
4. Second 5 rounds, normal standing with gun already drawn and fire the 5 rounds at the target.

When the wife and I go to the range, I will ask the instructor to see if this is correct and then hopefully get to practice some before the test day. My wife is sorta nervous about the shooting test, even though last time at the range she outshot me. haha

MaximaDrvr
12-03-2008, 09:08
The state requires 30 shots I think, for 3-5-7 yards. Most places will get you to shoot a little more, and from a little further away, but even if you have never shot a pistol before, you should have no problem.


I took the CHP class a few months ago and this is what happened.
Also, there is no drawing from a holster. Weapon is already in your hands and the instructor says when to fire. There is a time limit associated with the shots as well.
5 shots in 6 seconds....

JohnHoliday
12-03-2008, 10:44
I took the CHP class a few months ago and this is what happened.
Also, there is no drawing from a holster. Weapon is already in your hands and the instructor says when to fire. There is a time limit associated with the shots as well.
5 shots in 6 seconds....

I think 30 rounds in the minimum by state, but each teacher can set his/her own guidelines.

When I took it he said 30 rounds, 3-5-7yards was required by the state, but we shot more then 2x that, and at different ranges.

We had no time limit on any shots, but we did do a couple one handed shots, and abuot 1/2 where drawn from the holster. Like "Load 6 rounds, on my whistle draw and fire 4 at the target". The after everyone did that, "on my whistle shoot the remaining 2 shots at the target.

Carbonfly
12-03-2008, 10:46
I think 30 rounds in the minimum by state, but each teacher can set his/her own guidelines.

When I took it he said 30 rounds, 3-5-7yards was required by the state, but we shot more then 2x that, and at different ranges.

We had no time limit on any shots, but we did do a couple one handed shots, and abuot 1/2 where drawn from the holster. Like "Load 6 rounds, on my whistle draw and fire 4 at the target". The after everyone did that, "on my whistle shoot the remaining 2 shots at the target.

Is that a NC or SC requirement? Thanks for all your help!

MaximaDrvr
12-03-2008, 12:13
Apparently it varies based on instructor.

JohnHoliday
12-03-2008, 12:34
Wow, sorry, mine was a NC.

I'm really sorry, I completely mis looked that you where looking for a SC permit.

Best of luck!

LAURAPDG26
12-03-2008, 15:27
Going to take mine tonight for NC. I believe it is supposed to be 50 rounds at a fixed 7 yard target. I will find out very shortly.

NC Bullseye
12-03-2008, 23:54
Going to take mine tonight for NC. I believe it is supposed to be 50 rounds at a fixed 7 yard target. I will find out very shortly.

Let us know when you get finished. I've never heard of an instructor doing 50 rounds at 7 yards. Should be divided up among 3, 5, and 7 yards for North Carolina. The state required min is 30 rounds into a b27 type or bullseye type target with 21 of 30 hitting the target. 10 each at 3, 5, and 7 yards.

LAURAPDG26
12-04-2008, 10:15
I guess every instructor varies as long as they fulfill the minimum for state requirements. Ours was 50 rds live fire, b-27, must hit within target area 40/50 times, 7 yds away. We didn't do any 3 or 5 yd shooting nor any holster pull or timed shooting. I was able to fulfill it without a problem but I think the 3 and 5 yd distances would have made it that much easier for me.
To be honest though, I don't understand the distance requirement. If you are holding the gun properly and the bullet leaves the barrel at the right projectile angle, isn't it going to hit the target in the exact same place regardless of distance away because it will carry on in that straight line after it exits. :dunno:

JohnHoliday
12-04-2008, 11:13
To be honest though, I don't understand the distance requirement. If you are holding the gun properly and the bullet leaves the barrel at the right projectile angle, isn't it going to hit the target in the exact same place regardless of distance away because it will carry on in that straight line after it exits. :dunno:

lol

Yes that is true, but its a lot easier to aim at the middle from 3 yards away, then at 25 :P

D-GLOCK17
12-04-2008, 11:29
Gee you should be able to find out by asking the instructor. Be that as it may, I remember you having to shoot at a B-12 target and just hit it in the black. My instructor encouraged us to spread them out to make it easier to count. BTW, if you can't hit this target you have no reason EVER to have a gun for CWP:)

Ha Ha. Most of my shots were counted COM. The center was pretty much destroyed. All were in the black. It was impossible to count all of the holes. Of course, I received a perfect score. ((With my Glock 26)). Everyone else there became interested in "that little 9mm Glock".

NC Bullseye
12-04-2008, 12:37
To be honest though, I don't understand the distance requirement. If you are holding the gun properly and the bullet leaves the barrel at the right projectile angle, isn't it going to hit the target in the exact same place regardless of distance away because it will carry on in that straight line after it exits. :dunno:

Remember, there are many people taking the course that have never fired a gun. I have had people miss the entire target at 3 yards. Some of the people have that "First shot jitters" even when they have shot before. The stress of "Looking bad" in front of others plays a big part too on new shooters. That's why I have a practice session prior to the proficiency test.

No, the person that missed at 3 yards didn't pass that day. Did later after some range time.

civilwarguns
12-05-2008, 20:52
I'm a NC. Instructor, There is no score you have to shoot to pass the class, in North Carolina the shooting part of the class is to show that you know the right and safe way to load, shoot and reload and be able to control your rounds. As long as you can show that you can safely handle a handgun you will pass.

NC Bullseye
12-05-2008, 22:38
I'm a NC. Instructor, There is no score you have to shoot to pass the class, in North Carolina the shooting part of the class is to show that you know the right and safe way to load, shoot and reload and be able to control your rounds. As long as you can show that you can safely handle a handgun you will pass.

That's not quite true. If you use the NCJA Model course then you would be required to have a scored shooting proficiency test. If you look on page 17 of the 2006 edition red book you'll see:

7. Course requirements
The Concealed Carry course that an individual attends must meet
several minimum standards as set forth by the North Carolina
Administrative Code. Those requirements are:
a) Course must be a minimum of eight hours long plus the range
and qualification time.
b) The legal block of instruction must be a minimum of two hours
in length.
c) A written legal examination is required.
d) A shooting proficiency examination is required. The course of
fire must be a minimum of 30 rounds with 10 rounds fired from
the three yard line, 10 rounds fired from the five yard line, and
10 rounds fired from the seven yard line on a silhouette target.
e) The Concealed Carry course must cover the following topics or
it does not meet the minimum state standards:
Legal Issues
Handgun Safety
Handguns
Marksmanship Fundamentals
Carrying Concealed Safety Issues
Presentation Techniques
Cleaning and Maintenance
Ammunition
Proficiency Drills



If you submitted your own course outline you may not require a scored shooting test but the vast majority of instructors do require a minimum score. I do and it's higher than the minimums above so I know the student is meeting or exceeding requirements for shooting proficiency.

Also according to North Carolina Administrative Code

12 NCAC 09F .0105

INSTRUCTOR RESPONSIBILITIES

In delivering the "Concealed Carry Handgun Training" course the instructor shall:

(1) file a copy of the proposed firearms course description, outline, and proof of instructor certification along with a written request to conduct the "Concealed Carry Handgun Training" course for approval by the Commission prior to delivery of any instruction under G.S. 14-415.12;

(2) file a copy of any modification(s);

(3) be issued by Commission staff a quantity of certificates as requested by the instructor for course participants which shall bear the instructor's name, the instructor's assigned number, be sequentially numbered, and bear the raised seal by the Commission;

(4) affix the student's name to one certificate and issue that certificate to the student who successfully completes the "Concealed Carry Handgun Training" course;

(5) conduct the training consistent with the guidelines as established in 12 NCAC 09F .0102;

(6) administer a written examination to the student on the legal issues block of instruction to demonstrate that the student is knowledgeable in the laws of this State governing the carrying of a concealed handgun and the use of deadly force; and

(7) administer a proficiency examination which shall demonstrate that the student is competent in the actual firing and safe handling of a handgun. Such examination shall include the following:

(a) The student shall fire 30 rounds of ammunition at a bulls-eye or silhouette target from three, five and seven yard distances;

(b) At each yard distance the student shall fire ten rounds;

(c) 21 of the 30 rounds fired by the student must hit the target.



History Note: Authority G.S. 14-415.12; 14-415.13;

Temporary Adoption Eff. November 1, 1995;

Eff. May 1, 1996;

Amended Eff. May 1, 2004.

Carbonfly
12-06-2008, 06:32
Seems like everyone knows how the NC concealed test works. I live in SC folks. It seems like a big mystery down here....haha.

civilwarguns
12-06-2008, 06:50
That is how I do my shooting test, You still do not add a score up. As long as they hit the target with the 21 out of 30. A good hit not off in the white.

Magicmanmb
12-06-2008, 14:29
SC law only states 8 hours of training and satifactory completion of live fire. No specification as to how many rounds, distance, etc...

Most will not allow you to draw from a holster. As a general guide most use the NRA guidelines on target firing. I've seen instructors who had classes shoot a box of 50, and another that had 25 rounds fired.

Carbonfly
12-06-2008, 18:06
SC law only states 8 hours of training and satifactory completion of live fire. No specification as to how many rounds, distance, etc...

Most will not allow you to draw from a holster. As a general guide most use the NRA guidelines on target firing. I've seen instructors who had classes shoot a box of 50, and another that had 25 rounds fired.

I wish that SC would set a standard for the shooting requirement. At least that way it would be known what is expected from us and we could better train for the task.

My friend said that for his SC CWP, he HAD to draw from a holster and fire. If that is expected of me, how am I supposed to practice that when our range doesn't allow drawing from a holster? This range is also the place where we will be taking the test, so maybe we won't have to draw and fire. :dunno:

HighlanderSC
12-06-2008, 19:50
My daughter and I took the CWP course in South Carolina a year ago (December 2007). We shot 10 rounds each at 3,5,7 and 10 yards ... and 5 rounds each at 12 and 15 yards for a total of 50 rounds.

No one drew from the holster. We all started from a ... forgot what it is called, but from a "ready" position, holding the pistol at a downward 45 degree angle facing the target. The procedure was explained ahead of time and we did everything on command. Very safe procedures. I don't recall any time limit, however I remember the instructor telling someone to fire a little faster. I believe that there is a proficiency requirement (percentage of hits in the black of the target, see NOTE below) but I was 50 of 50 and my daughter was 49 of 50 so we didn't pay much attention to the minimum number of hits. :embarassed: She had only shot once, I think, in her life. I had not shot in over 10 years. As I recall, all of the students (maybe 20 or so) did very well. I don't remember anyone NOT passing the course, although there were a number of people with fewer hits ..... but all did well.

NOTE: Aside from other questions, finger prints, photo, etc. the application for a Concealed Weapons Permit requires two scores: Administrative test score and Proficiency test score (shooting). That tells me that there must be a minimum score for the range work (shooting) as well as the written test.

BTW, the certified instructor charges $80 for the one day course. :cool: That includes the ammo, finger prints, and photo. He even furnished my daughter and I with .38 caliber revolvers to use. I now have a Glock 30SF.

If anyone is interested, contact Larry Smith (the instructor) at:
http://www.cwpclass.com
Foothills Firearms Training Center was recommended to me by a friend. Although I had to drive a ways to Liberty, SC from Greenville SC, to me it was well worth the drive. Very efficient, no wasted time, very professionally done. I've recommended Larry to others with no complaints. BTW, I'm not affiliated with Larry in any way.

I hope that this helps. I'd be glad to contact the instructor if there are more questions.

Carbonfly
12-06-2008, 20:24
Thanks a lot for the info! The class I am taking costs $65 at Shooter's Choice, but you have to supply your own ammo. You can rent a gun if you do not have one yet (it's like $10 i think).

Magicmanmb
12-07-2008, 08:14
Thanks a lot for the info! The class I am taking costs $65 at Shooter's Choice, but you have to supply your own ammo. You can rent a gun if you do not have one yet (it's like $10 i think).


They do require a minimum score on the targets but how many rounds & distance is not specified in the law. Drawing from holster has a lot to do if it's an indoor or outdoor range, and, the individual instructor. BTW if you have a
Triple A + membership they will take your passport size photos for free. Some instructors build it into the fee for the class others charge extra. Before taking any instructors class I would ask what is going to be on the live fire portion. Just to know if you have to use ammo they supply, need to bring a holster (especially if they want a particular type). I know of one instructor that will only allow FMJ Winchester White Box, & prefers only semi-autos.

HighlanderSC
12-08-2008, 19:21
The minimum proficiency score is 70%.
One of the earlier post stated that shooting thirty rounds meant you had to hit 21. That is 70%.

Carbonfly
12-09-2008, 11:22
I talked to Shooter's Choice today and this is what they said the test consisted of........

3 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
5 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
7 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
10 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
12 yards = 5 shots
15 yards = 5 shots

Must get 35 out of 50 to pass.

Magicmanmb
12-09-2008, 11:22
South Carolina Weapons Concealed Carry Course - 8 hour course

Instructor: Mike Lloyd - Call Neal Seaman for further information: 843-716-0511 or Email

Hours for Mike Lloyd's courses: Monday and Tuesday (full course), Friday morning split course 8 AM to 12 noon then the following Friday 4 hours, Sundays 12 Noon

For all other days and hours we will direct applicants to the other instructors

This course is designed for individuals that wish to apply for a concealed carry permit in the state of South Carolina - Course fee $65.00. If for some reason we cannot supply this service due to time constraints or other problems we will give you the contact information for other instructors to fill the gap. Of course we cannot speak for them as far as pricing.

Upon successful completion of this course the applicant will have meet the required standards and pass a standard firearms proficiency test that is required by state law prior to receive your concealed carry permit.

To participate in this course students must have a working knowledge of their weapon and safe weapon handling skills. If you desire, at no extra cost to you, we will run you through the practicum before the test as many times as you wish to feel comfortable so you can take the gun shoot part of the test without worrying. THERE WILL BE NO COST TO YOU FOR THIS EXTRA SERVICE.

Course content will include:


Legal issues, consequences and liabilities
new concealed carry laws
Conflict avoidance strategies
Personal protection considerations
The “Use of force” continuum
Concealed carry concepts
The survival mindset
Threat assessment/ Engagement
basic shooting fundamentals
Decision making skills
Law enforcement encounters
REQUIRED STUDENT EQUIPMENT

50 rounds of factory ammunition, handgun w/2 magazines or revolver with 1 speed loader, eye and ear protection, hip holster

HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENTS

Safe handling of firearm
Ability to load and unload a handgun safely
Fire 50 rounds from a handgun at distances of 3, 5, 7, 10, 12, 15 (yards) while under time constraints
Passing score of 70% on handgun proficiency test
COURSE OF FIRE FOR HANDGUN PROFICIENCY TEST
You will be shooting at a full sized silhouette target
Proficiency test is 50 rounds of ammunition.
DISTANCE (defined by yards) LOADING SEQUENCE
3 1,2,2* (2X)**
5 1,2,2* (2X)**
7 1,2,2* (2X)**
10 5* (rapid fire) (2X)**
12 5* (rapid fire)**
15 5* (rapid fire)**
* rounds loaded and shot
** number of times run through that sequence

TERMINOLOGY

AT REST - holstered gun
PRESENTATION - gun safe in front of you pointing down range at a 45 degree angle
READY GUN - gun is being brought up to sight and fire
DEADLY FORCE - fire

Passing Proficiency score is 35 hits out of 50 shots = 70%


Registration Fees: $65.00 - $25.00 deposit required down and signed release.
(Course limited to 8 people max) - we will run this course for an individual at no extra cost.



The course firing range is not the one I took. No holster requirement this looks like this instructor uses the NC course. Also if you read his website IMO I would not want instruction from these people. www.deadbangguns.com
Seems to Hate S&W, Colt, and Glock is the only pistol fit for use.

southernreign
12-14-2008, 19:15
I talked to Shooter's Choice today and this is what they said the test consisted of........

3 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
5 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
7 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
10 yards = 10 shots (shoot 5, reload, shoot 5 more)
12 yards = 5 shots
15 yards = 5 shots

Must get 35 out of 50 to pass.


I took the CCW test here in Union county. The test consisted of shooting 40 rounds. 32 had to be in the black on the 'human' size target to pass.
5 rounds-3 yards right handed.
5 rounds-3 yards left handed
3 rounds-7 yards right handed
3 rounds-7 yards left handed
4 rounds-double handed
3 rounds-15 yards right handed
3 rounds-15 yards left handed
2 rounds-15 yards double handed rapid double tap in ready position on 'fire'
2 rounds-15 yards double handed rapid double tap from rest on 'fire'


I think the instructors change for course to course, but, I am sure they would never pass someone they thought was not able to handle a gun well. I know they had a lady the week before they did not pass. She was up in age, and knew she had problems to begin with.

Magicmanmb
12-14-2008, 19:18
Just another reason we need a national standardized carry course. If we did perhaps we would have more reciprocity.

Carbonfly
12-14-2008, 19:38
I took the CCW test here in Union county. The test consisted of shooting 40 rounds. 32 had to be in the black on the 'human' size target to pass.
5 rounds-3 yards right handed.
5 rounds-3 yards left handed
3 rounds-7 yards right handed
3 rounds-7 yards left handed
4 rounds-double handed
3 rounds-15 yards right handed
3 rounds-15 yards left handed
2 rounds-15 yards double handed rapid double tap in ready position on 'fire'
2 rounds-15 yards double handed rapid double tap from rest on 'fire'


I think the instructors change for course to course, but, I am sure they would never pass someone they thought was not able to handle a gun well. I know they had a lady the week before they did not pass. She was up in age, and knew she had problems to begin with.

This doesn't make any sense. Why would you ever not fire with your strong side? I guess if worse comes to worse and you hurt your strong arm, but that just seems like a weird test to me. I'm glad that our instructor won't make us do that. I've never ever practiced shooting with me weak side.

..........although, I might try at the range tomorrow. haha.

dudley
12-14-2008, 19:50
In missouri, we had to practice with 60 rounds I think it was then the test was to get 15 out of 21 rounds in the black at 7 yards. If you can't do that, then you should not have a CCW. I think most of us in the club can do that well by quick instinct shooting.

Short Bus
12-14-2008, 19:55
Apparently it varies based on instructor.

Bingo...Tell him what he has won Johnny.

Most will have you do 3-5-7. Unholstered, then holstered. Stay in the black and you are good to go. 50 rounds. 5 rounds per "time at bat."