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DHansen
01-23-2009, 14:47
They're out - thoughts? I've picked up mine already, and I'm fond of them. Finally, a uniform that you can do "work" in, and still be presentable without ironing, starching, and creases.

Please, before someone brings up "'ey, why do you need camouflage on a ship?", or "What will happen if someone falls overboard - how will you see them?, consider this - The pattern is designed to hide common shipboard stains - such as haze gray paint, and dark oils/greases. Hence, the color pattern of deck gray, haze gray, navy blue and black.

Additionally, anyone falling overboard now whilst wearing coveralls (the standard underway uniform) isn't going to be any more visible.

Here's me modeling, minus my face to provide emphasis on the uniform.
<a href="http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/supadane/?action=view&current=nwu.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/supadane/nwu.jpg" border="0" alt="NWU"></a>

skyboss_4evr
01-24-2009, 21:09
I think they look great... all the new uniforms look good! In fact, I'm jealous lol. I wish we'd had those uniforms when I was in, especially the cammies.

BrotherMatthew
01-25-2009, 05:25
I don't see how they can possibly be worse than the utilities, so its a step in the right direction. The roll out plans seems to be forever though so I will be glad when I can actually try a set. I am less than thrilled that they have gone with the 'only to work and back and no stops unless there is an emergency' route. The new utilities were supposed to be more presentable than the dungarees so you could wear them more places. And initially the NWU was supposed to be able to be worn off base as well. But someone chickened out I guess. I hope the wear well though.

chuckman
01-27-2009, 05:25
I am in the IRR now, so I don't have to wear any uniform any more. Having said that, I think these cammies are hideous, as are the new enlisted uniforms. As an officer I would be exempt from both (my billets being attached to USMC, I would wear their cammies) which is fine by me. As for the officers' new khaki coat, it's OK, but I think the Navy is just jumping on the new uniform bandwagon because everyone else is.

BrotherMatthew
01-29-2009, 15:47
I agree its jumping on the bandwagon. I think everyone should wear the same pattern/style camo working uniform with branch specific ranks and patches. That would save a huge amount of money for the military and the serviceman. We wouldn't need three colors of boots and five patterns. The dress uniform is where a branch can distinguish itself and show its heritage. But the NWU seem much better to me than the current utility uniform. The utilities have a crap life span and are far too fragile. I will be glad to be rid of them if the new ones stand up to the abuse. The no ironing is also a great seller to me.

I've also always though that the Navy's caste system of seperating the chiefs and officers from the 'regular' enlisted folks was stupid and a hold over from a time better forgotten. No other branch does this in a working uniform and there is good reason for that. Another thing I have noticed are that the young guys are much more into the NWU than the guys who have been around a while, which is good. I am a middle guy and while I can see both sides if it really helps the morale, and so far it has with my guys, its a good thing.

I've worn almost all the current generation of working uniforms, BDU/DCU, ACU, MARPAT and even the NSW 'modifed how you want ones' and like the fit and durabilit of the MARPATs the best. I don't understand why the Navy spent so much time and money testing the NWU just to adopt a uniform of the same cut and pattern as the Marines in a different color, but I am glad they did. Time will tell how it works out but this might be the first new uniform I actually like better than what it replaced.

PeterJasonMN
01-29-2009, 17:47
Well, I'm currently busting my ass to go to Great Lakes in August. If I end up with some of those I'll report back.

uashooter
01-29-2009, 23:52
Please, before someone brings up "'ey, why do you need camouflage on a ship?", or "What will happen if someone falls overboard - how will you see them?, consider this - The pattern is designed to hide common shipboard stains - such as haze gray paint, and dark oils/greases. Hence, the color pattern of deck gray, haze gray, navy blue and black.

Thanks for pointing that out. I can't count how many times I've heard someone spouting off about MOB scenarios- you're just as ****ed with coveralls. Though I've seen plenty of BMSNs whose entire coveralls turn into one big gray stain, NWUs won't do anything to hide that.

That said, there's plenty to gripe about. I think that making the wear policy basically the same as utilities is ridiculous, we should be able to wear it off base. On top of that, the gold name tape contrast is just too much for me (the E's silver look good though).

Does anyone know if VBSS teams are using this on boardings now? Makes more sense than coveralls or desert cammies.

J.Kill
01-30-2009, 06:00
So this is just the new underway/ship only uniform? I may possibly be re-upping in the reserve as an MAA. Are they sticking to the Woodland or going with these? The whole, can't wear the uniform out in public rule always made no sense to me... it is a uniform. When I was stationed in Yoko. on the Kitty Hawk we couldn't wear anything other than dungarees/dress unidorm off the ship... not even to the base chow hall. I do think the BDU's are great for ship work. When I was an AO we could wear BDU's underway and they definitly last longer than any other uniform. And at least the will be some uniformity now. We would wear whatever we could get... woodland, 3 color desert, 6 color desert, O.D. greens... as long as we had on a red shirt it didn't matter what stlye BDU's you had.

chuckman
01-30-2009, 06:01
I like the idea of having a single, multi-service pattern. We had that for years with the old woodland cammo. It worked just fine for what was needed. I understand why the Corps went with the MARPAT, which I really like, but I did not particularly 'agree' with putting a patent on their digital pattern, precluding everyone else from using them. But, I do NOT like the NWU.

uashooter
01-30-2009, 06:21
So this is just the new underway/ship only uniform? I may possibly be re-upping in the reserve as an MAA. Are they sticking to the Woodland or going with these?

It's for wear on ships and at shore installations (steel toed boots being the only difference- mando on ships of course). I don't know the latest decision on what the MAs will wear, I just know there's been a lot of debate about that specifically. They're now testing woodland/desert versions of the NWU, which would probably be what the gate MAs would end up wearing.

I totally agree with the lunacy of a patent on MARPAT. Think how much cheaper it would be to reprint MARPAT in blue, as opposed to designing NWU, then printing it in woodland/desert. God, talk about re-designing the wheel.

rhikdavis
01-30-2009, 06:40
Well, I'm currently busting my ass to go to Great Lakes in August. If I end up with some of those I'll report back.

August is a fine month to go to Great Lakes... :thumbsup:

J.Kill
01-30-2009, 20:56
August is a fine month to go to Great Lakes... :thumbsup:

I left for boot on July 28th 1997 and it was pretty chilly for pass and review on October 3rd wearing dress whites. You'll miss the snow, which that alone is worth leaving in the summer. I know guys that were there in the winter and every night having to wake up for 2 hrs of snow shoveling duty.... F that!

J.Kill
01-30-2009, 21:01
It's for wear on ships and at shore installations (steel toed boots being the only difference- mando on ships of course). I don't know the latest decision on what the MAs will wear, I just know there's been a lot of debate about that specifically. They're now testing woodland/desert versions of the NWU, which would probably be what the gate MAs would end up wearing.

I totally agree with the lunacy of a patent on MARPAT. Think how much cheaper it would be to reprint MARPAT in blue, as opposed to designing NWU, then printing it in woodland/desert. God, talk about re-designing the wheel.

Yeah, it would only make sense for the Ma's to go with the desert or woodland. They need to do something with the boots and go to a weatherproof steeltoed fabric. It was great not having to shine my boots in the guard. Another thing I liked about the ACU's when I was in the Army Nat'l guard was one uniform for every season/any deployment. I agree on the MARPAT, Why change everything? It's already there and paid for by the Navy anyhow.

chuckman
01-31-2009, 14:26
I was at Great Lakes in the winter, graduating in March. I was cold, snowy, and gray. It sucked.

DHansen
02-02-2009, 13:29
I totally agree with the lunacy of a patent on MARPAT. Think how much cheaper it would be to reprint MARPAT in blue, as opposed to designing NWU, then printing it in woodland/desert. God, talk about re-designing the wheel.


Absolutely - our new NWU is not a far shot off of the current MARPAT uniform. Pointed collars vs rounded, non-slanted pockets, and... that's about it. Swap the EGA for the ACE and it's pretty identical.

Other than that - from what I've seen of the sailors here on NOB, the few that I have seen wearing the NWU have been pretty sharp, with one exception. Overall, the uniform presents a far more military appearance than the utilities.

uashooter
02-02-2009, 15:23
from what I've seen of the sailors here on NOB, the few that I have seen wearing the NWU have been pretty sharp, with one exception. Overall, the uniform presents a far more military appearance than the utilities.

That's good. From everything I've heard, the junior sailors seem to be pretty pleased with the NWU. A little warrior ethos and pride in the service never hurt anyone.

PeterJasonMN
02-03-2009, 18:32
August is a fine month to go to Great Lakes... :thumbsup:


That's why I'm trying to go then. Great Lakes in late summer/early fall, then off to Meridian hopefully after the worst of the humidity has passed.

I'm looking at SK or PN for the most part.

uashooter
02-04-2009, 01:36
I'm looking at SK or PN for the most part.

That's funny, I had you pegged as more of a MA or Intel-type. SK sets you up OK for the outside I guess. I'd recommend against PN. Just MHO.

chuckman
02-04-2009, 05:19
Some of my best friends were PNs and YNs. All it took was seeing one Cheif piss off a YN (I think...maybe he was a PN), and *poof*...his pay and records were all jacked up for three months. THAT is when I saw who had the power, and thus, who would become my friends. In the Army Rangers, they call it the E4 Mafia...int he Navy, the admin mafia.

DHansen
02-04-2009, 07:40
Wouldn't want to be a YN, SK, PS, or MA. IS wouldn't be too bad, I suppose.

Off the topic of the new uniform, what interests you about SK or PS?

PeterJasonMN
02-04-2009, 15:11
That's funny, I had you pegged as more of a MA or Intel-type. SK sets you up OK for the outside I guess. I'd recommend against PN. Just MHO.



My credit is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek right now. I was talking a lot with the recruiter about clearances and all and he thinks the best course of action is either before I leave, set up payment arrangements so during the clearance I can at least say "Well look, I've arranged....", or just go something that won't require secret and then cross-rate after a couple years.


I have an accounting degree (And before you say OCS, I have about 55K in student loans. I'm going to do the college loan repayment program, which means a 3 year enlistment to fulfill, then put in for OCS in my 3rd year) so between that and having helped manage a few businesses, I'm pretty used to inventory, ordering, stuff like that.

Oh and I was wrong, it's PS now I guess, not PN. My bad.

uashooter
02-04-2009, 19:03
Ah, got it. Well even as an SK, if you're in decent shape and a hard charger you should be able to get onto the VBSS team. That can be a lot of fun and you get great training. I'm hoping to get on a team :2gun:

Didn't know that your program existed, sounds like a great deal.

You're making a good choice with the Navy man. I've been to Hawaii, Japan, Hong Kong, and Sydney all on their dime (well, minus a somewhat hefty alcohol tab in each city). You get to do and see stuff that your friends back home couldn't even imagine.

PeterJasonMN
02-04-2009, 21:50
The funny thing is, my cousin is a Cmdr., has 23 years in, Bronze Star, two visits to Iraq (One as a corpsman, the other hunting WMD's) ton of other ribbons.....



And has yet to be on a ship :rofl:

chuckman
02-05-2009, 05:41
My credit is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek right now. I was talking a lot with the recruiter about clearances and all and he thinks the best course of action is either before I leave, set up payment arrangements so during the clearance I can at least say "Well look, I've arranged....", or just go something that won't require secret and then cross-rate after a couple years.


I have an accounting degree (And before you say OCS, I have about 55K in student loans. I'm going to do the college loan repayment program, which means a 3 year enlistment to fulfill, then put in for OCS in my 3rd year) so between that and having helped manage a few businesses, I'm pretty used to inventory, ordering, stuff like that.

Oh and I was wrong, it's PS now I guess, not PN. My bad.

Talk up another recruiter to make sure he is telling you right. I know people who have gotten TS with worse. RE: OCS, please look at officer options and sign-on bonuses. Some are pretty hefty, just as hefty as enlisted bonuses.

PeterJasonMN
02-05-2009, 14:32
Talk up another recruiter to make sure he is telling you right. I know people who have gotten TS with worse. RE: OCS, please look at officer options and sign-on bonuses. Some are pretty hefty, just as hefty as enlisted bonuses.


I take the ASVAB next week (Oh lord, I better not **** up the math part), and I'll see what I can get offered.


What I was thinking today was see just HOW much I could get in bonuses and whether they'd be in sections or lump sum, vs. doing the CLRP. With the 2nd, I'd still get at least 8K because of having degrees.


And yes I've talked to two recruiters already. The 2nd one actually had a more negative reaction than the first.

uashooter
02-05-2009, 18:45
Talk up another recruiter to make sure he is telling you right.

I thought the same thing initially; maybe the guy just needs more SKs/PSs/whatever...sounds like it may be a legit concern though.

Without knowing PJMN's credit and criminal history it's hard to say. I don't have a TS, but I've heard they are pretty strict on credit, especially if you're currently in a lot of debt.

PeterJasonMN
02-05-2009, 23:21
Yeah like I said, the 2nd recruiter was a lot more blunt, to the point of almost saying "don't bother". The main recruiter is a little more mellow about it, but I'd really hate to be in A-school and hear "Peter, you know, we'd love to have you but...."


I'd rather fix it and then cross-rate, than be stuck.



Holy hell did we tangent away from uniforms...

chuckman
02-06-2009, 05:44
Without knowing PJMN's credit and criminal history it's hard to say. I don't have a TS, but I've heard they are pretty strict on credit, especially if you're currently in a lot of debt.

Credit history, criminal history...some things are negotiable. What is negotiable, I don't know. I do not issue clearances so I have no clue, but I do hold one (as does every officer regardless of NOBC), but I know of people who got denied for not much and passed for a whole lot more. Needs of the Navy? Dunno....

Regarding cross-rating, Peter, it is NOT as easy as it seems. I wouldn't want you to get locked into a rating where you are unhappy with a recruiter's promise of changing jobs or getting a particular school, that's all.

As for the NWU's, I still think they are ugly. How's THAT for tying thing thread together? :)

rhikdavis
02-06-2009, 08:44
I take the ASVAB next week (Oh lord, I better not **** up the math part), and I'll see what I can get offered.


What I was thinking today was see just HOW much I could get in bonuses and whether they'd be in sections or lump sum,


Back in the day, they'd pay you half of the bonus up front and the rest of it in annual installments for the duration of your enlistment....

J.Kill
02-06-2009, 14:56
Back in the day, they'd pay you half of the bonus up front and the rest of it in annual installments for the duration of your enlistment....

I think it's still the same way. When I was going to re-up I would have gotten 50% up front then the remaining balance on the anniversary of my re-up date for the duration of my enlistment. If my bonus was say... $12,000 I'd get $6000 then $2000, $2000, $2000 a year apart from each other.

PeterJasonMN
02-06-2009, 19:07
Back in the day, they'd pay you half of the bonus up front and the rest of it in annual installments for the duration of your enlistment....


Yeah that's what I figured, but when I was reading online and talking to other people, it sounds like some have been lump-sum. I just have to make sure I see everything in writing before signing the dotted line.

PeterJasonMN
02-06-2009, 19:09
Credit history, criminal history...some things are negotiable. What is negotiable, I don't know. I do not issue clearances so I have no clue, but I do hold one (as does every officer regardless of NOBC), but I know of people who got denied for not much and passed for a whole lot more. Needs of the Navy? Dunno....

Regarding cross-rating, Peter, it is NOT as easy as it seems. I wouldn't want you to get locked into a rating where you are unhappy with a recruiter's promise of changing jobs or getting a particular school, that's all.

As for the NWU's, I still think they are ugly. How's THAT for tying thing thread together? :)



Yeah, since I'm not in I was trying to hold off comment on the NWU's, but:


DAMN.

BrotherMatthew
02-16-2009, 21:48
Well I've had my NWUs for a bit now as well and think they are pretty good. I won't get to into the stupidity of spending 500 millions dollars to 'develop and test' a uniform and pattern that is pretty much a copy of the Marines. But as far as a functional uniform goes so far I am happy. It like BDUs, which were always more comfortable to me than the utilities, though I admit I rather miss the old dungarees. I love not ironing them though, I find that great. I am not thrilled with the boots, either the leather safety boots or suede ones. They aren't bad, but I will welcome the ability to wear a larger variety of makes with the uniform. The sizing of the uniform is also a bit off. There are more sizes than the old BDUs but the requirements for the uniform regs mean I have to wear a size up, despite them being a bit too big. The smaller size fits better but the bottom of the blouse doesn't overlap the top of the cargo pockets on the pants, which I find a bit silly. I don't know what to think of the pattern, other than its pretty blue. I don't paint anymore so I am not sure how well it will blend with the pattern but that seemed like a silly requirement to me. And I'd rather be wearing anything except a blue uniform if I end up in the water. But they are what they are I guess. So far I am much more pleased with them than I was with the switch to utilities. My main concern will be the lifespan of them though. For what they cost I expect several years of use out of them.

md2lgyk
02-17-2009, 09:34
No more dungarees and blue ball caps? What's the Nav coming to?

BrotherMatthew
02-17-2009, 17:38
Dungarees and white caps was the way to roll I think.

The new uniforms remind me of something from the video game Halo. I guess if it appeals to the younger guys so much the better.

CDR_Glock
05-08-2010, 06:13
I bought 2 sets with the Gortex Jacket and liner. I love the uniform.