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    Sighting in for Dummies

    Butch, I talked to you on a thread, and you referred me to your blog. These have been alot of help, thank you. If I ask you stupid questions, I apologize ahead of time, lol. Feel free to tell me to shut up, I won't be offended at all, but I really want to become a better shooter and you're about the only person who's offered any advice.

    A six o'clock hold means aim at the 6 o'clock position of the black section of the target right? What if I were to take round orange stickers and place them on the target and aim for those instead of aiming for 6 o'clock? Generally when I go to the range, I just take my own paper/targets and place bright orange stickers on them. It turns my 1 target paper into a 9 target paper, lol.

    Last weekend at the range I was consistently a few inches low on my target.... no left or right, just low. Part of it was my trigger control, no doubt about it, but I wasn't noticeably flinching, (I dry fire every day for a few hours, and at the range I took a .38 revolver with me, had a buddy load 2 spent rounds and 3 live, and stayed steady the entire time, and practice it 5 times). Perhaps I was anticipating the recoil, so I pushed a bit? I think I may pick up some dummy rounds and work on it some more.

    Thanks again for the help, and sorry in advance if my questions bother you.

    Joe
    Posted 10-21-2011 at 17:13 by cmndrJOE cmndrJOE is offline
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    Trigger Control for Dummies

    THANKS, FOR THE VERY GOOD INFORMATION.
    Posted 10-13-2011 at 17:50 by markofva markofva is offline
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    ADK_40GLKr's Avatar

    The six o’clock hold

    Here's my problem with "sighting-in" my G27 as you describe:

    I did a rough measurement of the distance from the barrel axis to the top of the front sight, It is over a half inch - more like 9/16". This means that the bullet has to rise and cross the "line of sight" and then fall back to it somewhere along it's trajectory. Thus the gun has to be "sighted in" for a desired distance so that the bullet's path and the line of sight intersect, hopefully for the first time. What is that distance? (7 yd? 10 yd? 15 or 25 yd?) I guess it depends on the application, but for range practice for self defense, what's the optimal distance?

    I found a trajectory table here http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_trajectory_table.htmthat show of a 9mm (with 115 grain bullet) is sighted in for "Maximum point blank range" the bullet will be about 3" high at 50 yards and about 4" LOW at 100 yards.

    So I guess sighting-in for 25 yards wouild decrease those tolerances substantially?
    Posted 10-09-2011 at 20:43 by ADK_40GLKr ADK_40GLKr is offline
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    rdpG19's Avatar

    Trigger Control for Dummies

    Excellent Post...Thank you
    Posted 10-09-2011 at 07:33 by rdpG19 rdpG19 is offline
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    The six o’clock hold

    This was very informative. Is there an easy way to convert the sights from stock so that they will shoot like in pic #1? It looks like #3 is the standard sight picture, which will leave a shooter using #1 hold shooting pretty high?
    Posted 10-07-2011 at 01:13 by Any Cal. Any Cal. is offline
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    .38 super's Avatar

    Use the Reset Luke….

    I agee, but in my understanding DAO should be just as it is : DAO, on the other hand, Glock's trigger is acting as a SA if you have a missfire ... I understand the point with the matter of opinion, but if we have a DAO trigger, misfired round will not change the way the trigger operates... I am not concern of the quicker technique for dealing with missfired round, you are absolutely right about it, but my point is strictly about the action of the trigger... I think second strike capability is a natural property of DAO trigger, regardless of how we clear the bad round in the chamber...Why should I not have the sec. strike cap. on a Glock trigger ... ? What is the advantage for someone, that is not enough trained to clear the gun, like ... 60% probably of all that legaly carry a gun...
    It's getting some how academical but it is interesting why someone would determine Glock's trigger as DAO, basicaly considering only the process before cicling of the gun ...
    Best regards.
    Posted 09-08-2011 at 15:46 by .38 super .38 super is offline
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    Butch's Avatar

    Use the Reset Luke….

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .38 super View Comment
    ......if DAO trigger on self-loadin pistols should alwais have a second strike capability ... ?
    That's a pretty big if!

    The need for a second strike capability is just a matter of opinion.

    Some folks think a second strike on a primer that failed to fire on the first try might make it fire the second try.....others think it might be a waste of precious time when a fresh round could be getting racked into the chamber instead. Depending on why the gun failed to fire on the try, I think they both *might* be right!

    The Military had a prerequisite requiring a double strike capability for the M9 trials, but there is no rule/regulation/law that I'm aware of that requires it for a gun to be classified as DAO.
    Posted 09-04-2011 at 22:52 by Butch Butch is offline
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    .38 super's Avatar

    Use the Reset Luke….

    I completely agree with the technique described in your great post, however, I'm wondering how ATF would describe Glock's trigger as DAO if DAO trigger on self-loadin pistols should alwais have a second strike capability ... ?
    Posted 09-04-2011 at 07:58 by .38 super .38 super is offline
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    The six o’clock hold

    thanks for taking the time to write this.
    It has helped.
    Greg
    Posted 08-29-2011 at 09:05 by rpgman rpgman is offline
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    Trigger Control for Dummies

    thanks for taking the time to write this.
    It has helped.
    Greg
    Posted 08-29-2011 at 09:03 by rpgman rpgman is offline
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    Use the Reset Luke….

    Great clarification on this confusing issue for me. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
    Posted 05-31-2011 at 15:21 by Hoonz Hoonz is offline
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    Nomenclature the easy way

    Good morning, Glock members. A short note: IF YOU ARE A BEGINNER GLOCK, OR A SEASONED GLOCK, TAKE A LOOK AT: TAGS: NOMENCLATURE, OR PARTS. The comment, description, is provided by BUTCH, CLM Number 29, from MN. YOU WILL FIND: full color pictures of a Glock, with complete identification of parts, AND, arrows pointing to each part. THIS INFO IS AWESOME. GREAT WORK HERE, FROM BUTCH.
    IF YOU ARE A SEASONED GLOCK, GIVE YOURSELF A QUICK QUIZ. CAN YOU TAKE A PAD AND PEN, AND LIST ALL OF THE PARTS TO A GLOCK? I THINK THERE ARE 57. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE GUY AT THE GUN STORE TOLD ME.
    AGAIN, BEST REGARDS TO BUTCH IN MN FOR ALL THE GREAT INFO. AS A NEW GLOCK, I FIND IT EXTREMELY VALUABLE. BEST, BOBG.
    Posted 05-27-2011 at 05:16 by bob gill bob gill is offline
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    Trigger Spring Broke? Keep Shooting!

    If the Gen 4 trigger bar is the answer, can the Gen 4 trigger bar go in my Gen 3 pistol?
    Posted 05-13-2011 at 15:15 by Xavier01 Xavier01 is offline
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    tuica's Avatar

    GAPophobia

    Thanks for all of your posts, Butch. I was originally leery of the usefulness of the 45GAP - now I own the G37, 38, and 39! Cheers
    Posted 05-09-2011 at 13:12 by tuica tuica is offline
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    Shepherds_Hook_47's Avatar

    GAPophobia

    I'm not particularly fond of the Gap round just because its expensive ... like I might as well shoot 45 ACP which I love anyway... :-) lol

    I've seen people just giving away the guns .... but the ammo nope....
    think the XD just came out in 45 gap... how weird....

    anywho... if you don't like the big grip by a G22 and be done with it.. lol

    :-)
    Posted 04-28-2011 at 17:48 by Shepherds_Hook_47 Shepherds_Hook_47 is offline
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    RustyDaleShackleford's Avatar

    GAPophobia

    I like the .45 ACP because of its power, its size, its history, and its wide availability.

    But I'd never buy a .45 GAP.

    I don't know the last time I ever saw any for sale. Anywhere.
    Posted 04-26-2011 at 09:38 by RustyDaleShackleford RustyDaleShackleford is offline
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    Cream Soda Kid's Avatar

    GAPophobia

    So true my friend. I have both GLOCK .45 ACP & .45 GAP pistols. The barrel lengths are similar. Using same weight bullets same type bullets, (JHP, FMJ) I have found the performance to be about the same. Regarding +P, the ACP may be more powerful, but that doesn’t mean anything to me as I don’t care for +P in .45 ACP. I’ve tried it and found no need for it.
    Posted 04-25-2011 at 08:31 by Cream Soda Kid Cream Soda Kid is offline
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    BlayGlock's Avatar

    GAPophobia

    Stop that making sense you!
    Posted 04-23-2011 at 20:30 by BlayGlock BlayGlock is offline
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    Butch's Avatar

    GAPophobia

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cowboy1964 View Comment
    Which .45 GAP ammo is more powerful than it's .45 ACP equivalent?
    http://www.winchester.com/products/h...s/default.aspx Compare the 230gr FMJ loads.

    And the 185 Gold Dots-> http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/ammo.aspx

    My own chronograph showed similar results, which were printed here on GlockTalk years ago.
    Posted 04-22-2011 at 23:16 by Butch Butch is offline
    Updated 04-22-2011 at 23:20 by Butch
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    GAPophobia

    Which .45 GAP ammo is more powerful than it's .45 ACP equivalent?
    Posted 04-22-2011 at 16:25 by cowboy1964 cowboy1964 is offline

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