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Jayzod 10-29-2009 19:57

What Defensive Ammunition for the G30 SF?
 
So what do you folks shoot when it comes to defensive H.P. ammunition that runs 100% out of your G30 SF.

What I'm talking about is 200+ rounds or more without a failure.

Thanks

HWA GLOCKER 10-29-2009 22:54

230gr HST's or 230gr Gold Dots :thumbsup:

cole 10-30-2009 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayzod (Post 14071999)
So what do you folks shoot when it comes to defensive H.P. ammunition that runs 100% out of your G30 SF.

What I'm talking about is 200+ rounds or more without a failure.

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by HWA GLOCKER (Post 14073041)
230gr HST's or 230gr Gold Dots :thumbsup:

Agreed. Rangers, too. Keep it 230gr and you'll be fine. And, function test in your gun.

drc767 10-30-2009 05:29

230g Rangers, HST's, Speer Gold Dots or DoubleTap Bonded Defense (Gold Dots) have all done well in my G30.

G26S239 10-30-2009 05:44

Anything that suits you, including +Ps if you want, will work fine in a G30.

04SVT 10-30-2009 06:38

230gr Speer Gold Dot FTW

beforeobamabans 10-30-2009 14:49

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Originally Posted by G26S239 (Post 14073925)
Anything that suits you, including +Ps if you want, will work fine in a G30.

I've been experimenting with +p lately, and man, do they kick! I shot GS 185+p and GD 200+p and the increase in recoil was impressive as it was disruptive to follow up shots. I'll be restocking with standard 230 gr. BTW, the G30SF handled them all flawlessly.

Jim S. 10-30-2009 15:35

Because I'm old and came up with 1911's, I have never felt comfortable carrying a gun until it shoots at least 5 or 600 rounds without a failure.
When I got into Glocks I shot all kinds of ammunition out of them and after over 6000 rounds out of my two carry guns (21sf & 36) I have yet to find a brand or weight or type of round that does not shoot well out of a Glock.
Pick one and shoot it. More than likely it will be fine. Any good name brand "self defense" round will be ok.
The benefit of shooting a 45 is the 230g bullet. But be sure to try a lighter round as it has an effect on felt recoil.

beforeobamabans 10-30-2009 18:15

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Originally Posted by Jim S. (Post 14076655)
Because I'm old

Funny, you don't look that old in your picture. :cool:

fsqridah 10-30-2009 18:22

I'd go 230gr +P Federal HST or 200gr DoubleTap Gold Dots. You might go with 230gr Gold Dots since the .45ACP is a low velocity cartridge to begin with, but with a 3.78" barrel, I'd go with a lighter weight if possible.

CanyonMan 10-30-2009 20:04

I'm a minority here on GT, but in all my 45acp's, all of them. I use 230gr ball.
Sometimes 230gr Golden Sabers, but 99% ball, and especially in the shorter tubes like my G30 or Colt Defender etc.


Good shooting


CanyonMan

beforeobamabans 10-31-2009 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanyonMan (Post 14078263)
I'm a minority here on GT, but in all my 45acp's, all of them. I use 230gr ball.
Sometimes 230gr Golden Sabers, but 99% ball, and especially in the shorter tubes like my G30 or Colt Defender etc.


Good shooting


CanyonMan

Your response begs the question, why with all the good JHP on the market(unless of course your state forces you to).

NEOH212 10-31-2009 04:29

230 Gold Dot's all the way! :wavey:

Jayzod 10-31-2009 04:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by HWA GLOCKER (Post 14073041)
230gr HST's or 230gr Gold Dots :thumbsup:

These are my favorite rounds in my G21, but in the G30 they seem to really move the gun around in my hand causing me to reposition my grip after each shot and slows my follow-up shots. I do great with Blazer Brass and WWB.

I have had a few FTE shooting HST and Gold Dots. But I think this was my fault because I just can't seem to get a good grip on this little gun with my big hands.

beforeobamabans 10-31-2009 04:54

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Originally Posted by Jayzod (Post 14079867)
These are my favorite rounds in my G21, but in the G30 they seem to really move the gun around in my hand causing me to reposition my grip after each shot and slows my follow-up shots. I do great with Blazer Brass and WWB.

I have had a few FTE shooting HST and Gold Dots. But I think this was my fault because I just can't seem to get a good grip on this little gun with my big hands.

Have you tried this with Pearce +0 or one of your G21 mags w/A&G?

Jayzod 10-31-2009 04:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanyonMan (Post 14078263)
I'm a minority here on GT, but in all my 45acp's, all of them. I use 230gr ball.
Sometimes 230gr Golden Sabers, but 99% ball, and especially in the shorter tubes like my G30 or Colt Defender etc.


Good shooting


CanyonMan


What brand of 230 gr ball do you use?

Why do you use it "especially" in the shorter tubes like the G30?

As it stands if I carry my G30, FMJ is all I will carry due to FTE using HST and Gold Dot.

I think I like WWB the best.


:wavey:

beforeobamabans 10-31-2009 04:59

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Originally Posted by Jayzod (Post 14079874)
FMJ is all I will carry due to FTE using HST and Gold Dot.
:wavey:

Seriously? Something wrong here. I just put 50 GD 200+p through mine this week, no problem. Never had an FTE with either of my Glocks.

Jayzod 10-31-2009 05:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 14079873)
Have you tried this with Pearce +0 or one of your G21 mags w/A&G?


I think that little extender would solve my grip problem, Thanks.

But it looks like it would make my G30 into my G21 with a shorter snout. I think I would just carry my G21 that has been perfect, 100% reliable with all ammo (I think for having a better (bigger) grip).

I was hoping the G30 would work for summer carry and I would continue to carry my G21 in the winter. Guess I have all winter to figure things out...

:wavey:

Jayzod 10-31-2009 05:09

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 14079878)
Seriously? Something wrong here. I just put 50 GD 200+p through mine this week, no problem. Never had an FTE with either of my Glocks.

I just put 50 230gr Gold Dot through my G30 Thursday night and they worked great!

But it was on the 55th round that she FTE. :crying:

O' and when you quoted me about using FMJ you left out the "In my G30". I'll use JHP in all other Glocks just fine. :wavey:

dreis454 10-31-2009 06:19

Try Gold Dot 230 gr 'short barrel' loads in the 30

G26Okie 10-31-2009 06:51

I've got 185gr gold dots in my g30 right now, ammunitiontogo.com has them for $27/50.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...low-point-ammo

You get 50 in the box vs the same price for 20 since it is "LE Duty" OMG!!!

FatBoy 10-31-2009 11:09

I have never had a round problem in MY G30. I have shot everything from 185+p, 200+p, 230+p, 230 and 185(standard p), in Gold Dots, HSTs, Ranger, Cor-Bon and plain ole ball. IF you can find Speer Short Barrel I'd try that, but pretty much any of the above will work if you do your part.
FWIW the +p's can be a bit snappy, but not all that bad IMHO.

FB

Max1775 10-31-2009 11:16

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 14077522)
Funny, you don't look that old in your picture. :cool:


It's an old picture...:whistling:

CanyonMan 10-31-2009 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 14079831)
Your response begs the question, why with all the good JHP on the market(unless of course your state forces you to).


Well the only answer i got for ya is this. 230gr ball has worked very well through WW1, WW2, Korea, Nam, and even during the days of all the "gangster wars" here in the states. Next, I use it because it does not clog with clothes and bone or anything, and it penetrates like crazy after busting bones and it still gets where it needs to go, namely, the vitals.

Next, I use it because 'normally' people have up their hands, arms, or are at a strange angle when being shot, and the 230gr ball will go through an arm (lets say), and still have plenty of punch left to get to the body, and a 'better chance' again, to reach the vitals. Next, because it has a round nose that truly plows through and does bust bone, and is not slowed down by rapid expansion, or a clogged nose and thus still hindering it from getting maximum penetration..

Next, because i have never found a hollow point i trust out of the 45acp (especially shorter barrels), to do what I just explained, except, I do like 230gr GD, and 230gr GS, and 230gr XTP. I would favor the XTP, first then the GS, because it acts more like ball in humans, and does not open up as much. You will also find if you run a test with a hind quarter from a steer, and cover it with some guts, assorted organs, and tape some leather jacket on it, and get back a few steps and shoot with your favorite hollow point, and then with a 230gr FMJ (I use the CCI Brass brand, good old WWB will work), you will find your HP clogged to heck, and therfore lost penetration, You will find the ball went through and kicked butt and busted bones went through all the media, and did some nasty damage.

Next, short tubes like the G30 and Colt Defender etc. barely have 2" on barrel to actually travel through, and there is just not enough there for a HP to really do what we takled about above, and get to the vitals, much less have the 'classic mushroom jello block look" to it. That is not real world. The 5" does ad a little flavor, but not that much either in this caliber we are talking about.

Now begining to close here: This generally where I start losing folks if they have stuck it out this far..... But, I do not use ball in 9mm, 40 s&w, or 10mm
for the obvious reason that they are not heavy/big/slow, as compared to the 45acp. The latter(45acp) is what I carry 98/99% of the time. if not I'd say 1% 10mm, 200gr XTP, 1% 357mag revolver 124gr JHP.

It is fun to shoot water jugs, and wet packs, and all kinds of propane tanks, and all that stuff that we ALL like to do, and it gives us at least some small idea of things, but it is a small idea. Things do not work the same way, where you have clothes, strange angles, an arm up in the way, flesh, muscle, grissle, bone, solid and hollow organs to go through, and get to some vital spot like the heart, or CNS etc.



Next. Not to be smart. I use them cause I am a 58 year old dude set in my ways, and that 230gr ball is what i like, and 'know' it works for me. ;)


There ya go. Thats it.
HTH's


EDIT NOTE***** I forgot to add in my list above for the 45acp I do like the 230gr XTP as well. It too, plows through real well...

Good shooting !


CanyonMan

CanyonMan 10-31-2009 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayzod (Post 14079874)
What brand of 230 gr ball do you use?

Why do you use it "especially" in the shorter tubes like the G30?

As it stands if I carry my G30, FMJ is all I will carry due to FTE using HST and Gold Dot.

I think I like WWB the best.


:wavey:


I already wrote a post here on this thread, to another guy explaining "why i use the 230gr ball". I'll let ya read that one. ;)

I use CCI Brass 230gr ball, or WWB 230gr ball. I do not use ball because HP's won't feed. I have never owned a gun, that a recall, that would not rap through GD's, GS's XTP's you name it. Never a problem with the fte. Using HST, GD, whatever, should not have any bearing on FTE. You need to take a look at the gun, i.e. the extractor and the ejector etc, etc.. IMO


Good shooting



CanyonMan


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