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mangkukhan 01-18-2010 19:26

Bushmaster ACR coming out before Remington ACR???
 
Well it's official Bushmaster has the countdown clock for about midnight tonight to be the release of the new Bushmaster ACR. It's sounding off however at over 8lbs with a 1:9 twist and tagged with a $2700 msrp. Remington quoted the msrp at $2300 originally which is obviously high, and the twist rate listed for the Remington ACR is 1:7. Magpul's reps are also commenting on the listed weight as being too high. Not sure what to make of it unless Bushmaster is putting to market a rifle that isn't what Remington will market to the military and law enforcement. I really hope if this is what Bushmaster is dropping on the market then Remington puts out one as well with better barrels and hopefully weighing less. For four times the cost of a basic AR they better get their **** together. Just another reason for me to keep looking at an XCR.

B.Reid 01-18-2010 19:49

:wow:

deMontacute 01-18-2010 20:23

Unless you are buying on LEO letterhead or .mil, you will not be allowed to place your unwashed hands on the Remington version.

RMTactical 01-18-2010 20:40

A damn shame.

furioso2112 01-18-2010 21:17

If that's true (and I believe it is), then....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Somebody got their hopes up when they saw the FN SCAR sell for $5k or whatever when the first few trickled in last year about this time.

No offense to whomever wants one/buys one/whatever, but I gave up on the idea about 4 seconds after I learned that Magpul turned it over to a corporate-owned entity.

Interchangeable barrels - how many does it come with at that price tag? Is that for .308 and 5.56 (or did they actually just chamber it for .223 for the civvies?)? If it comes with a couple cases of ammo for each caliber and 15 mags each caliber, well then, it's probably a deal. Maybe it is anway. I haven't followed it for months.

Edit: Okay, just went to the BM site. No info on it (I didn't look too hard), but I saw no specs. It looks like it is piston-driven, folding UBR stock, PMag, Magpul grip, monolithic rail. Some nice features, and unless they changed from the original design 'leaks' then it is ambidextrous controls and all. Not going to part with $2700 for one. All I can think of is what I could build/put together for that price.

I wonder how long before the .22LR version comes out?

Quiet 01-18-2010 22:45

Cerberus Capital Management Group owns Remington and Bushmaster.
Remington is handling all military and government sales.
Bushmaster is handling all civilian sales.

Quiet 01-18-2010 22:49

Note parts in bold.

Quote:

Bushmaster® Announces Revolutionary Adaptive Combat Rifle (ACR™)
Fully-Modular, Mission-Configurable and Torture Tested


Windham, ME – The Adaptive Combat Rifle (ACR) was conceived to provide a more reliable, accurate and mission-configurable, American-made rifle platform for today’s military, law enforcement agencies and commercial tactical markets. The ACR is specifically designed to meet the challenges of the modern battlefield from close-quarters applications to the long-range marksman; configured in the field without the use of tools. Three American companies – Magpul Industries Corp, Bushmaster Firearms International, LLC (BFI) and Remington Arms Company, Inc. – shared a common design vision to put the best, most versatile rifle into the hands of the US Military. With emerging concept designs and after rigorous testing, Bushmaster, Magpul® and Remington® utilized the strongest materials and components to produce the most innovative and adaptable combat rifle yet – the ACR for military, law enforcement and commercial applications.

The ACR offers the ability to change calibers from 5.56mm/223 Rem to 6.8mm Rem SPC in minutes by swapping the bolt head, barrel and magazine. Barrels, stocks, and accessories can also be changed, without tools, at the user level allowing the ACR to go from a close-quarters battle platform to a designated marksman platform. The ACR gives the operator all of the options needed, while utilizing a superbly reliable gas piston operating system, fire selector capability, a non-reciprocating charging handle and intuitive, ambidextrous controls on a platform that is a natural fit for any operator.

Standard core features of the ACR include 16.5-inch, cold hammer-forged barrel system, featuring proprietary protective coating for enhanced barrel life and maintenance reduction, with quick-change 10.5, 14.5 and 18-inch barrel length options in multiple calibers; A2 “birdcage-type” suppressor for muzzle blast reduction; adjustable, 2-position gas-piston system to support suppressed or unsuppressed firing; hardened internal bearing rails; bolt carrier assemblies for 223.5.56mm NATO to 6.8mm Rem SPC; ambidextrous operator controls for magazine release, bolt catch and release, fire selector and non-reciprocating charging handle; hand guard, lower receiver and stock constructed from a rugged high-impact composite; and to further enhance operation and reduce wear, all action components feature our innovative protective coating.

Added to the core platform features of this fully-adaptable rifle are free-floating MIL-STD 1913 monolithic top rail for optics mounting; enhanced hand guard with heat shield and acceptance of rail inserts; functional lower receiver design with textured magazine well and easily-accessible, modular grip storage; A-frame style stock with rubber butt pad and sling attachment mounts; Magpul MBUS front and rear flip sights; and 30-round PMAG. Mission-ready, all ACR components ship in an oversized, hard case with room for accessory storage.

The Bushmaster ACR for the commercial market is available in the Basic and Enhanced configurations. The additional features for the Enhanced version include an AAC® Blackout™ NSM Flash Hider for exceptional reduction of muzzle flash; multi-functional, three-sided aluminum hand guard with integral MIL-STD 1913 accessory rail; and folding, six-position telescoping composite stock with rubber butt pad, sling attachment mounts and 2-point push button sling. Each configuration of the commercial ACR is offered in a non-reflective, black finish or Coyote Brown (30118). Suggested retail price: Basic $2,685 and Enhanced $3,061.

By combining dedicated, multi-brand research and development; relentless iterations of torture testing; and the most advanced materials available in the market today with Bushmaster’s uncompromising commitment to quality construction - the result is the ultimate, fully-modular, combat-adaptable Bushmaster ACR.

PLEASE NOTE: Bushmaster will sell the ACR to commercial customers and state and local law enforcement agencies. Initial shipments for the Basic commercial configuration are slated for March 1, 2010; followed by release of the Enhanced commercial version on May, 1, 2010. Versions for the law enforcement community are configured for the unique operators’ requirements and restricted for sale. Remington Arms Company, Inc. will sell the Remington branded ACR to US Military, US Federal Agencies and select foreign militaries.

Atlas 01-18-2010 23:10

Yeah, the price is extreme, especially since it was designed from the beginning to be easy to manufacture.


I think the basic AR does a fine job, but if the ACR doesn't eventually become the US military's new issue rifle, then something is wrong somewhere. That rifle/carbine is smart, just plain smart. It's one of the most carefully and creatively designed firearms ever.

I admit to wanting one for myself, but a plain AR will do everything I need.
What I want even more is for this thing to prove itself and be issued to our troops, because as good as the AR/M16 is this rifle should prove to be better, much better and I want our military to have the best.

Time will tell.

Chuck TX 01-18-2010 23:24

1/9 twist and those prices just for the basic? That's two major failures right there. :faint:

If that's true they really dropped the ball. Not surprised since Magpul turned it over to Bushmaster. Bet it has a nice finish though. :rofl:

BEER 01-18-2010 23:52

for 2700 i can get a "used"* piston ar with all the bells and whistles already installed, spare mags, and probably some ammo. the acr is officially off my wish list.


by "used" i mean some schmuck sank 3k into a rifle he only wanted because everybody else on arfcom had one, then his wife found out and skinned his ass so he put a box of ammo through it and now has to let it go for 2k. lol

Krigloch 01-18-2010 23:56

I was all for saving up for an ACR, but there's no way im throwing down that much for a rifle.

RMTactical 01-19-2010 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas (Post 14574584)
Yeah, the price is extreme, especially since it was designed from the beginning to be easy to manufacture.


I think the basic AR does a fine job, but if the ACR doesn't eventually become the US military's new issue rifle, then something is wrong somewhere. That rifle/carbine is smart, just plain smart. It's one of the most carefully and creatively designed firearms ever.

I admit to wanting one for myself, but a plain AR will do everything I need.
What I want even more is for this thing to prove itself and be issued to our troops, because as good as the AR/M16 is this rifle should prove to be better, much better and I want our military to have the best.

Time will tell.

Change comes slowly in the military unless something shows a clear cut advantage over what is being currently used. There is nothing with a huge upside over the M16/M4 platforms. I don't see those being replaced any time soon.

ScrapMetal 01-19-2010 10:44

Count me out with that price.....total bummer!

NeverMore1701 01-19-2010 11:34

Damn. When Magpul first announced the Masada I thought it was really cool concept with a very good chance of being great. As more time passed, more "progress" was made, the less interested I became. Now, on the eve of it's release, I couldn't care less. Sad.

jetdefiant 01-19-2010 12:35

if the current info continues to hold true, then bushmaster really really dropped the ball. This could have been epic

Chuck TX 01-19-2010 12:38

Word is the dealer cost is going to be ~$2100 for the basic model (no folding stock, etc.). It truly is way over priced and the $2700 MSRP was real after all. As much as or more than the SCAR for less features and the wrong twist. I knew they'd screw something up, but over $2K for sub-par? Just damn. Bushmaster FTL!

Wonder what Magpul is thinking right about now.

mvician 01-19-2010 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverMore1701 (Post 14576810)
Damn. When Magpul first announced the Masada I thought it was really cool concept with a very good chance of being great. As more time passed, more "progress" was made, the less interested I became. Now, on the eve of it's release, I couldn't care less. Sad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetdefiant (Post 14577174)
if the current info continues to hold true, then bushmaster really really dropped the ball. This could have been epic


my thoughts/feelings exactly

Justin1911 01-19-2010 12:46

Couldn't care less

Krigloch 01-19-2010 12:47

Re: Bushmaster ACR coming out before Remington ACR???
 
The thing is, WHO is going to actually buy this thing?
Makes no sense.

RMTactical 01-19-2010 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krigloch (Post 14577251)
The thing is, WHO is going to actually buy this thing?
Makes no sense.

Almost nobody. This rifle went from extremely promising to almost a joke. It could have been big but the price tag and a few other things simply killed it.


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