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Retired Squid 04-30-2010 18:37

What is a Certified Glock Armorer do?
 
The reason I ask is this is a gun so simple to take apart to bare frame and reassemble in 10 or 15 minutes with no special tools or training. I'm not trying to make fun of you guys that are Glock Armorer's and have sight tools and training on other guns and can do minor repairs. I have done everything to my Glocks except replace the sights, all my Glocks have the sights from fractory I like so never had the need to remove and replace with another sight.

But I have heard one or two here that seemed to think it was something really special, but am I wondering if I am jaded because of very strong background in small instrument repair, machine shop, electronics, optics and being around guns all my life.

So light your flame throwers and have at it fellows, but do give some actual info please.

G33 04-30-2010 20:16

For LE departments they need certification in everything these days.
Lawyer up.
:supergrin::supergrin:

Retired Squid 04-30-2010 20:34

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Originally Posted by G33 (Post 15217221)
For LE departments they need certification in everything these days.
Lawyer up.
:supergrin::supergrin:

Tort Lawyers is the reason then? Sounds like a possibility. I guess all dept's now days frown on officers messing with their issue gear.

leadslinger13 04-30-2010 21:20

I have wandered the same thing for years. Still there are many people who feel that the internal working of their weapons are either a mystery or don't want to take the time to learn. they would rather have someone else do the work. I think they would be surprised at how super simple the Glock is and marvel at its engineering. It only enhanced my appreciation for the weapon even further.

samurairabbi 04-30-2010 22:40

A high level Glock armorer can successfully diagnose problems when they happen to a Glock. This requires more than just assembly/disassembly knowledge. Diagnosis and cure of failure to feed, failure to extract, failure to eject, etc., is not a trivial task.

Retired Squid 05-01-2010 06:22

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Originally Posted by samurairabbi (Post 15217950)
A high level Glock armorer can successfully diagnose problems when they happen to a Glock. This requires more than just assembly/disassembly knowledge. Diagnosis and cure of failure to feed, failure to extract, failure to eject, etc., is not a trivial task.

Some what true I guess, but it's not rocket science to figure FF'S and FE's because there is not exactly too many things that cause the problem. But LS13 I think has pretty much hit the nail on the head as for why so many people will not do but the least amount necessary to maintain anything mechanical. When I showed a few people the Cominolli manual safety for a Glock I installed they were really impressed and asked who did install. They were just amazed that I did the job and one guy asked if I was a trained gunsmith. They just could not understand that the install is that simple and takes 15 minutes or less.

So there is a need I guess for a person with some basic gunsmith skills to help the person that does not have those very basic skills that are required for whatever reason and the Armorer then fills that niche between common minor repair or tunning that a skilled gunsmith would rather not waste time on when he can be doing major gun work such as de-horning to complete building of a custom rifle or handgun.

Before I asked this question my thoughts were why brag about being a person that can take a Glock apart and put it back together when a monkey could be trained to do that easy enough. I guess I had not really thought about how so many people are mystified or scared of anything mechanical.

SAWMAN 05-01-2010 09:04

Glock Armorer......Blah !
 
If someone wants to pay Glock to become a "certified,genuine,official,authorized,know it all,Glock armorer",that's fine with me(really it is)but.....I can do what is needed to my Glocks,including find the problem and fix the problem,same as a Glock "GURU" can.

Some feel they need to become a holder of a piece of paper,I happen NOT to be one of them. The day that I need to contact a Glock Armorer to get something fixed on my Glocks is the day I put them all up for sale.

CRAP.....I own 1911's and I am not a "Colt Armorer". I don't feel inadequate about that either.

A good dose of common sense is really all you need. Heck...Glocks are so easy even a cave man could do it.

Retired Squid 05-01-2010 09:22

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Originally Posted by SAWMAN (Post 15219425)
Heck...Glocks are so easy even a cave man could do it.

:rofl:

Man you're too much even if you can't space you sentence's worth a crap. :whistling:

lethal tupperwa 05-01-2010 09:24

amazing how simple Glocks are to work on-------

Amazing how screwed up they can get when some shoemaker works on them.

Fire_Medic 05-01-2010 09:35

I took my class for the experience and to be able to buy parts at cost directly from Glock. But as luck would have it later on down the road from when I took my class someone offered me a job making decent money because I have that piece of paper.

Also sometimes there are certain parts Glock would send someone for free but only to a local armorer not to the individual, so my piece of paper helps me and my buddy's there in that aspect.

But yes I agree these guns are VERY easy to work on when needed which is not often. Most of the problematic Glocks I have seen that have issues, do so only because of something the owner did.
:wavey:

Retired Squid 05-01-2010 09:35

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Originally Posted by lethal tupperwa (Post 15219504)
amazing how simple Glocks are to work on-------

Amazing how screwed up they can get when some shoemaker works on them.

We had a saying back in my USN days, "Nothing is sailor proof'". I have seen so many "certified" people in all kinds of fields that were a joke and made me wonder who the idiot was that certified the individual.

lethal tupperwa 05-01-2010 11:31

Like an old Chief saying, "watch this s***".

Retired Squid 05-01-2010 14:12

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Originally Posted by lethal tupperwa (Post 15220078)
Like an old Chief saying, "watch this s***".

You betcha. :yawn:

MakeMineA10mm 05-01-2010 15:04

Here's some thoughts on being an armorer:

1. Yes, there is a huge truth that LE depts. must have certified people to do stuff. CYA.

2. Having gone through the class I became MUCH more confident and comfortable doing stuff. In addition, there are many "tricks of the trade" that you get taught in Armorer's class, such as what to do when someone accidentally reassembles their Glock after field-stripping, and the last 1/4" of the guide rod is sticking out...

3. There are technical issues that you are taught to diagnose at the lowest (and at this time, the only) level of armorer's course, such as how to "adjust" fixed sights, and other issues.

4. There has been a lot of joking about Armorer's titles really being "part's switchers" and I gotta give the jokster's a lot of credit on that one, because that is pretty much the answer to most every problem you're taught about in the basic armorer's course. (That, and "send it back to Smyrna, and we'll fix it...")

5. The biggest service I provide to my department as the armorer is the annual detail-strip, cleaning, inspection, and function-check. With carrying a gun daily and shooting it 3-5 times a year with only a field-strip cleaning in the aggitene tank at the range, that yearly detail strip and clean really keeps the weapons at their peak of service-ability. Almost never find anything wrong that a good detail-strip cleaning won't take care of. In the five or six years I've been doing this, I've had to replace three recoil springs and one plastic part that cracked. Not bad out of a dozen guns carried daily for about 10 years.

Kegs 05-01-2010 15:21

For the low price of $79.95 they can change your glock to make it a true piece of CDI kit. :supergrin:

Roneye 05-13-2010 20:32

Food for thought, an individual works on their personal glock when needed so you may assemble and disasemble your Glock once or twice a week. Let's say you have three glocks so you are familiar whith three different glock models Whereas a lot of armorers work on many different glock models some have experience with every model maybe even the 18 and they do it day in and day out five or six days a week sometimes more than 5 or 6 guns a day. Which would the average shooter rather have work on their Glock?

freakshow10mm 05-14-2010 10:04

I do a lot of armorer stuff for the local LE agencies because none of them maintain an armorer. I work on their Glocks, ARs, and M16s as well as load and supply all their training ammunition. I had to go through the hoops to get the cool paperwork to satisfy the agency protocol. They paid for the courses and I paid travel and other expenses.

HOV 05-14-2010 11:48

What is a Certified Glock Armorer 'do?

One of many possibilities:

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ultra45 05-14-2010 12:00

Everything everybody else said, plus, you get to purchase 2 guns a yr at LE prices.

DVLDGS 04-30-2013 15:06

Where and how
 
Im a Marine Combat Vet thats interested in becoming a GA... If Im not working for anyone in the Firearms industry, Is it still possible for me to obtain a GA from Glock? If so, what are the pre-reques? There are a few coming to my town that I was looking at but not sure if I would be allowed to attend...

Thanks..:patriot:


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