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BRoberts243 11-20-2010 09:24

Silencers
 
Just wondering what most of you think about silencers...
I've always assumed they are usually involved w non defensive or illegitimate shootings just assuming that most ppl have silencers bc they don't want to be heard when they shoot... and if you're attacked and have to defend urself it seems u would want someone to hear that something wrong.

Once again just wanting opinions, not sure what the gen consensus is on silencers here. Would love to hear some input, especially if there r legal legitimate reasons to have one. I did see an add in a gun magazine that says make love loudly make war silently and am kind of having trouble grasping exactly what situation I would be in that I would want to be silent while shooting
Thanks

usmc4641 11-20-2010 09:29

They help when firing powerful cartridges and also a great deal with full automatic fire.
In most instances a suppressor does not actually silence a firearm like they show on the television. They do however help with the higher db range when you are shooting indoors or close to other people.

AgentAdam 11-20-2010 09:35

Using NFA registered items like short barreled rifles,sawed off shotguns,full auto,and suppressors are not recommended for SD shootings. It kinda falls under the lawyer hay day category like trigger jobs,modified safeties,and reloads. I only know of 2 SD shootings with FA so there is not much case info on it. Its not illegal and they say justified is justified but a lawyer could bad mouth you.

You could want to use one indoors for the same reason LE/SWAT sometimes do. So you don't blow your eardrums out in tight quarters with a loud firearm like a .45 or AR15. It doesn't make it all that quiet. Just tolerable.

Adam5 11-20-2010 09:36

It's nice being able to shoot in the country without hearing protection on.

With the right round in a suppressed .22 you can hear the slide closing. It's no louder than a air pistol.

A suppressed 9mm with subsonic rounds is no louder than a .22 short.

rjrivero 11-20-2010 10:50

Suppressors get a bad rap here in the states. They've been demonized by the left, and depicted unrealistically in the Liberal Hollywood Lore. They have done this so effectively, they even have pro 2nd amendment types questioning the "legitimacy" of suppressor use.

Suppressors help to limit the noise of shooting. In fact, in in certain EUROPEAN Countries, it's considered bad manners to shoot WITHOUT a suppressor. Good neighbors are quiet neighbors.

Suppressors are nice for teaching new shooters. The recoil is one thing, and the muzzle blast is something else all together. A more tame muzzle blast helps concentrated on the fundamentals of shooting with out the flash bang distraction.

Hearing protection is also the biggest argument for shooting suppressed. On the range, it's nice to be able to communicate without shouting. It's also a big benefit for home defence. I don't know how many folks keep a set of ear muffs next to their home defence gun. Setting off a round in the confines of your house WILL damage your hearing. With a good suppressor, you limit that damage.

I shot a carbine shoot last month and was fortunate to use a Trident 9 on my 9mm Glock. It is a MUCH nicer to shoot with a suppressor than without from an aesthetic standpoint.

This magazine had one 124gr bullet in it, the rest were 147gr. It's a glock long slide with a Trident-9 Suppressor on it.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/vid...ubj=1254105894

DustyJacket 11-20-2010 12:42

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Originally Posted by BRoberts243 (Post 16329715)
...I've always assumed they are usually involved w non defensive or illegitimate shootings...

Incorrect. You get too much info from Hollywood.

Unless you fabricate your own without a Form 1 (illegal), or steal one (illegal), you have to jump through paperwork hoops and wait time that make California gun laws look friendly. (In the USA - in some other countries you can go to the hardware store for one.)

It reduces my firearms to hearing safe and really reduces the recoil of my .308 - my daughter loves shooting that rifle.

http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/p229-1.jpg


http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/...s_tactical.jpg


http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/rra_lar9.jpg


http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/Deanna-308-5.jpg

1 old 0311 11-20-2010 13:47

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Originally Posted by DustyJacket (Post 16330513)
Incorrect. You get too much info from Hollywood.

Unless you fabricate your own without a Form 1 (illegal), or steal one (illegal), you have to jump through paperwork hoops and wait time that make California gun laws look friendly. (In the USA - in some other countries you can go to the hardware store for one.)

It reduces my firearms to hearing safe and really reduces the recoil of my .308 - my daughter loves shooting that rifle.

http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/p229-1.jpg


http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/...s_tactical.jpg


http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/rra_lar9.jpg


http://www.dustyjacket.com/shooting/Deanna-308-5.jpg


Great shooting. You taught your little girl well.:wavey:

Christof60 11-20-2010 14:23

Notice how you (the thread starter) were the only one to call it a "Silencer".... That word came from hollywood..
The ATF rules concerning suppressors is stunningly stupid (how many federal laws arent?).. If you are going to commit a shooting crime and dont want the entire town to know you have, simply using a pillow will have the same effect of greatly toning down the loud report of your gun... I have even shot .22's with nothing more than a 20 oz plastic soda bottle that made it near-silent.. SO.. If you really want to "silence" a gun for a crime, it is very easy to do..
There is no good reason for the stupid rule... I would like to have them simply to be able to shoot without ear protection, and also for the fact that if I had them, I could enjoy shooting in my own backyard without bringing down the entire police force on my head..

The ATF and the left are really good at making rules that common sense would normally overrule.. Just like on my Sig P556.. WTF makes that weapon so much more deadly if I were to install a foregrip on it, that makes it necessary for me to go through the dreadful paperwork to make it "legal"? Or for that matter, put a stock on it?

While I am at it, I dont have a problem with needing a Class III license to own full auto.. But why did those arseholes in Washington also make it illegal for full auto weapons to be manufactured (except for LEO)? All that did was make a $1500 weapon cost upwards of $15,000 because it is a "Grandfathered" weapon...
Schumer and the likes need to be put on an island out in the middle of the ocean..

Glockdude1 11-20-2010 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christof60 (Post 16330903)
Notice how you (the thread starter) were the only one to call it a "Silencer".... That word came from hollywood..
The ATF rules concerning suppressors is stunningly stupid (how many federal laws arent?).. If you are going to commit a shooting crime and dont want the entire town to know you have, simply using a pillow will have the same effect of greatly toning down the loud report of your gun... I have even shot .22's with nothing more than a 20 oz plastic soda bottle that made it near-silent.. SO.. If you really want to "silence" a gun for a crime, it is very easy to do..
There is no good reason for the stupid rule... I would like to have them simply to be able to shoot without ear protection, and also for the fact that if I had them, I could enjoy shooting in my own backyard without bringing down the entire police force on my head..

The ATF and the left are really good at making rules that common sense would normally overrule.. Just like on my Sig P556.. WTF makes that weapon so much more deadly if I were to install a foregrip on it, that makes it necessary for me to go through the dreadful paperwork to make it "legal"? Or for that matter, put a stock on it?

While I am at it, I dont have a problem with needing a Class III license to own full auto.. But why did those arseholes in Washington also make it illegal for full auto weapons to be manufactured (except for LEO)? All that did was make a $1500 weapon cost upwards of $15,000 because it is a "Grandfathered" weapon...
Schumer and the likes need to be put on an island out in the middle of the ocean..

Great post, except for the Class 3 license.......No such thing, just a approved $200 tax stamp.

:cool:

hatidua 11-20-2010 14:34

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Originally Posted by BRoberts243 (Post 16329715)
I've always assumed they are usually involved w non defensive or illegitimate shootings just assuming that most ppl have silencers bc they don't want to be heard when they shoot...

Wrong. (and it's "suppressor", not silencer - 'silencer' is a Hollywood/mall ninja term that inaccurately describes what the item is capable of)

Just about the only people you'll find with negative views on suppressors are those that know absolutely nothing about them or the laws surrounding their ownership.

GeorgiaRedfish 11-20-2010 14:37

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Originally Posted by DustyJacket (Post 16330513)

Bad move posting that, especially on this website.




Its a joke:supergrin:

Glockdude1 11-20-2010 14:39

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Originally Posted by hatidua (Post 16330962)
Wrong. (and it's "suppressor", not silencer - 'silencer' is a Hollywood/mall ninja term that inaccurately describes what the item is capable of)

Just about the only people you'll find with negative views on suppressors are those that know absolutely nothing about them or the laws surrounding their ownership.

:agree:

skipsan 11-20-2010 14:40

The Form 4 which I just got back from ATF, calls the device a "silencer". I didn't fill it out, the retailer who sold me the device did.

For reference, it took five weeks to get the local LEO (sheriff Joe Arpaio) to sign the application. He did send me a written apology for the delay. The trip to the ATF took another 2 months.

All-in-all, its a gadget and an expensive one at that--$425 for the "device" and $200 for the stamp. As noted above, it would have legitimate purpose(s) short of clandestine use, but I got it as a novelty, and to "experience" the paperwork required. Given that the paperwork has to be repeated for every controlled item one would think that the market for supressors, SBRs, etc would be limited, but there are shops locally that specialize in that kind of item, so guess not. For the guys going after the full mgs, the waiting period is probably not a big deal.

FWIW, the supressor (Sparrow model, by Silencer Co.) makes the pistol sound like a pneumatic stapler using subsonic ammo. I thought the first shot was a squib until I saw the hole in the target.

Leigh 11-20-2010 14:50

[QUOTE=hatidua;16330962]Wrong. (and it's "suppressor", not silencer - 'silencer' is a Hollywood/mall ninja term that inaccurately describes what the item is capable of)

Incorrect.

The term "silencer" was not an invention of Hollywood at all.

While not technically correct, it was coined by Hiram Maxim around 1902.

RWBlue 11-20-2010 15:02

I prefer to be quiet when I shoot. I am not doing something illegal, I just don't want to draw attention to myself.

rjrivero 11-20-2010 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leigh (Post 16331032)
Quote:

Originally Posted by hatidua (Post 16330962)
Wrong. (and it's "suppressor", not silencer - 'silencer' is a Hollywood/mall ninja term that inaccurately describes what the item is capable of)

Incorrect.

The term "silencer" was not an invention of Hollywood at all.

While not technically correct, it was coined by Hiram Maxim around 1902.

Leigh is Absolutely correct. In fact, Hiram Maxim developed his "Silencers" for both firearms and that new fangled internal combustion engine in tandem. In England, they call the muffler of a car "silencer" to this day. If you look at the 5320.4 you will see that box C that asks for the "type of firearm" will clearly state "Muffler or Silencer" among the choices. Suppressor does not show on the form at all.

My form 4's all say "Silencer" in the item description. Silencer is indeed the "Legal" term still used today.

TkFF 11-20-2010 16:15

Personally, I own them because they make me smile. Plus they make everyone who fires my weapons smile and giggle at how absurdly quiet it is. This is especially true with my Osprey 45 using 9mm 158gr subsonics. But generally speaking, they are not as quiet as the movies portray them to be. My AAC M4-1k on the 10.5 AR is still loud.


On the serious side, I enjoy collecting firearms of different types, NFA stuff included.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/m...5/DSCN3715.jpg

DustyJacket 11-20-2010 16:22

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaRedfish (Post 16330978)
Bad move posting that, especially on this website.

That is a 100 yard target, her first time with that rifle.
She can take care of herself.

It would take a fool to make an off-color comment about a photo of a female proficient with firearms. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned holding a sniper rifle..........

DustyJacket 11-20-2010 16:29

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Originally Posted by Christof60 (Post 16330903)
... I have even shot .22's with nothing more than a 20 oz plastic soda bottle that made it near-silent...

Not a good idea to admit to a federal offense in such a public place.......... unless you paid the $200 tax on that bottle.

rjrivero 11-20-2010 16:41

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Originally Posted by DustyJacket (Post 16331553)
Not a good idea to admit to a federal offense in such a public place.......... unless you paid the $200 tax on that bottle.

As long as he did it in EUROPE, it would be OKAY, I guess.....:whistling:

Since we're putting up pictures of our Stamped toys, here's my Frankengun: 9mm AR with a Trident 9.

http://www.revolverforums.com/forum/...&pictureid=268


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