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the perfesser 05-30-2011 21:18

4.5 lb. connector in G36
 
I have broached this same subject in the Sub Forum while discussing my G26. I own three Glocks: G34, G36, G26. The 4.5 lb. is standard in my G34. I need to improve my accuracy with that pistol, but I like the smoothness of the trigger.

What do folks think about the advisability of this "lighter" connector in the G36, which might occasionally be carried concealed? Any liability or safety concerns?

Pecos Bill 05-31-2011 16:25

I can see some advantage to a better/smoother trigger on my G36 but I would be afraid of liability if ever I would have to deploy. Modifications are one of the 1st things "they" look for. A police officer shot a student and that was reported that the gun was as issued so it was the officers mistake. Had the gun been modified, I'm sure the story would have been different.

Sonnytoo 06-01-2011 08:04

It seems like most of the legal "advisors" do shy away from the (-) connector for carry purposes. My G36 was over 8 pounds when factory-new, so I put in a Ghost 4.5# (drop-in) connector and twenty-five cent polish job. It breaks now at 5# with a nice reset and I like it just fine.
Sonnytoo

Dave T 06-04-2011 17:16

I've never quite understood the "liability" thing with replacement parts or better trigger pulls. If the shooting is justified it won't matter what connector you have in the Glock. If the shooting is not justified it won't matter what connector you have in the Glock. If you miss your intended target (bad guy) and hit something of value or someone not threatening you, you have both a legal and a liability problem. I would think a better, more controllable trigger pull would be advantageous rather than a liability.

My $.02 worth,
Dave

chasbo00 06-04-2011 17:39

Why would it make any difference unless you were claiming an unintended discharge?

Pappy John 06-04-2011 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonnytoo (Post 17431461)
It seems like most of the legal "advisors" do shy away from the (-) connector for carry purposes. My G36 was over 8 pounds when factory-new, so I put in a Ghost 4.5# (drop-in) connector and twenty-five cent polish job. It breaks now at 5# with a nice reset and I like it just fine.
Sonnytoo

I had the same issue, and responded with the same fix. The new connector brought the 36 right into the same trigger pull range as the rest of my Glocks with standard connectors. This is a carry gun and the new connector is staying.

BlackDobe 06-04-2011 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave T (Post 17447483)
I've never quite understood the "liability" thing with replacement parts or better trigger pulls. If the shooting is justified it won't matter what connector you have in the Glock. If the shooting is not justified it won't matter what connector you have in the Glock. If you miss your intended target (bad guy) and hit something of value or someone not threatening you, you have both a legal and a liability problem. I would think a better, more controllable trigger pull would be advantageous rather than a liability.

My $.02 worth,
Dave

Just my opinion - this strikes me as one of the most sensible arguments that I have heard on this subject.

Because of the way the lawyers like to play the legal system I can still see how they can potentially influence an ignorant jury on the 3rd party unapproved connectors, I feel a little more comfortable with a factory-made Glock "-" connector regardless of which model and which country they decided to market it to.

That sounds more to me like a manufacturer making a decision based on "import points" or country specific political correctness than based on any real safety concerns.

I personally, would rather have equipment that provides better control than worrying about what BS arguments the opposing bottom feeder lawyer will try to come up with.

It's not like he is going to say 'well, all the equipment was stock and original, so everything is all good'.

JMHO

Arc Angel 06-04-2011 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by the perfesser (Post 17425939)
I have broached this same subject in the Sub Forum while discussing my G26. I own three Glocks: G34, G36, G26. The 4.5 lb. is standard in my G34. I need to improve my accuracy with that pistol, but I like the smoothness of the trigger.

What do folks think about the advisability of this "lighter" connector in the G36, which might occasionally be carried concealed? Any liability or safety concerns?

:shocked: Wow! I'll bet the answers you get to this one are going to really run the entire gamut of pros and cons. Mas Ayoob will, certainly, give you one reply; and someone like myself will give you another. Here's my own take on this, admittedly important, subject:

For the record, every one of my Glock pistols is fitted with a 4.5# Lone Wolf connector. No question, from the viewpoint of shooter accuracy, a 4.5# connector is definitely the way to go. (I am a strong believer in the importance of accurate gunfire and consider any device that aids and assists accuracy to be an important safety feature.)

From the perspective of gun safety, I'm going to offer that Glock, GmbH's OWN ARGUMENT for the inherent safety of all Glock pistols is the very same rationale that can be used to warrant the equally inherent safety of using a 4.5# connector. Specifically, keep your finger off the trigger; and you haven't got a problem.

What if your finger is, however, on the trigger? In this instance very little changes. The use of a 5.5-6.0# connector is virtually the same as a 4.5# connector. EXCEPT - while the trigger's mechanical, 'let-off' does, indeed, improve - there's actually a lot more, 'front end mush' on the lighter connector for the shooter to initially have to pull through.

Besides, by no stretch of imagination, is a 4.5# connector - which generally yields a cumulative trigger pull of up to 5 + pounds - considered to be a, 'light' trigger. (My own Glocks yield cumulative trigger pulls of 4.9 to 5.2#'s.) I think most experienced pistoleros would agree that until a Glock's cumulative trigger pull drops below 3#'s, you haven't got a, 'light' Glock trigger.

I've read about (probably) hundreds of CQB pistol gunfights on the internet. I'm always struck by the salient fact that many unintentional bullet strikes are made by poorly delivered gunfire. Personally, I consider, 'missed shots' to be of much greater danger than unintentional gunfire. A, 'light trigger' is unquestionably a sensational legal topic; but, how likely, how realistic, is it out in the real world? (In my own opinion, not very!)

If Glock's, 'safe-action' trigger really works, and (literally) all heavily experienced Glock gunmen adhere to the well-known principle of keeping your finger outside the trigger guard and off the trigger until you're ready to actually fire the pistol, then there really is NO SAFETY PROBLEM that can be LEGITIMATELY associated with the use of a 4.5# connector in any Glock.

I would guess the vast majority of this board's members are well aware of Cooper's Third Rule of Gun Safety: 'NEVER PLACE YOUR FINGER INSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FIRE!' If this paramount rule of gun safety is scrupulously followed then there really isn't any valid concern over which Glock connector is used. A, 'righteous shoot' remains a, 'righteous shoot'. Here's all four of Cooper's Gun Safety Rules:

1. THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED!

2. NEVER ALLOW THE MUZZLE TO POINT AT ANYTHING YOU ARE UNWILLING TO SEE DESTROYED!

3. NEVER PLACE YOUR FINGER INSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FIRE!

4. CLEARLY IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET, AND WHAT IS BEHIND IT!

JoeG19 06-05-2011 14:51

..hmmm...
 
I'd leave it alone. My 36 works perfect stock (except +0s). - 'ole joe :cool:

CanyonMan 06-28-2011 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonnytoo (Post 17431461)
It seems like most of the legal "advisors" do shy away from the (-) connector for carry purposes. My G36 was over 8 pounds when factory-new, so I put in a Ghost 4.5# (drop-in) connector and twenty-five cent polish job. It breaks now at 5# with a nice reset and I like it just fine.
Sonnytoo


Hey MI Amigo ! Yep my G36 trigger was stiffer than all heck as well when I got it new. Felt like the double action pull on a Sig ! Ha. I stuck the "dreaded" ( - ) Glock factory connector in mine along with (like you) the 25 cent trigger polish job and that baby is smooth as glass and tightened up the groups very nicely. I like that little Glock (-) connector. Use it in several of my Glocks, seems to work great....

Well, Talk with ya soon when ya get home.

Watch your six !



CM

tecate321 06-29-2011 13:08

I bought the LEO 36 Blue label model...it came with a 5.5 lb trigger....nice....glad I was able to get it....

dreis454 06-29-2011 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by tecate321 (Post 17561587)
I bought the LEO 36 Blue label model...it came with a 5.5 lb trigger....nice....glad I was able to get it....

Umm they ALL (36s) come with the 5.5 in them

CanyonMan 06-30-2011 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreis454 (Post 17561603)
Umm they ALL (36s) come with the 5.5 in them




They do as far as I understand from Glock. The blue label that was sent to me 'straight from Glock' in Ga; had three hi cap mags in it. I called and talked to a friend of mine there and he said the only difference in the blue label Leo and the rest, are the fact that 3 hi caps in the blue label LEO box. Mine was a G20, and certanly had a stiff trigger pull. (normal I should say)... ;)

Stay safe Amigo !



CM


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