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DaveG 08-12-2011 15:56

Riot Preparadness.... What would you do?
 
So I live less than a few miles from one of the top ten most dangerous and "urban" areas in the country, but right on the edge between the city and country. My neighborhood borders a cotton field... If London-style riots occur... my plan is to send the wife and kids the opposite way to stay with her parents, who live about an hour away in "real" country and are well armed and stocked with supplies. My neighbor and I plan on staying with our longarms and defending our homes for as long as possible. If we get completely outnumbered, we will climb into his 4x4 and head out across the cotton field where he will drop me off with the rest of the family and continue on his way to his own safe house...

Do you live in a vulnerable area? Do you have a plan? Do you have weapons? What will you do?

Triple7 08-12-2011 16:03

I live pretty far away from anywhere where this might happen but....
Yeah I would be on my roof with a long gun, shotgun, ect. I think I could deter 95% of the rioters and the other dead ones in my yard might scare off the rest.
The would most likely be a painted line on my property and a sign. "cross the line and I'm shooting you"

poodleshooter1 08-12-2011 16:12

Fire extinguishers.... For when they try to burn you out. It's not always about guns alone.

FerFAL 08-12-2011 17:04

You have a gun? No rioter in this planet walks towards bullets flying their way.
You might want to get a shootgun and some less than lethal ammo. Police use it with good results to get rid of stupid crowds.
About sending your wife away. Rioters rarely break into homes, they prefer stores with lots of crap to loot. Now if some get ballsy, I assure you a couple shots sends them away (usually towards places to loot where they dont risk getting shot). If you send your wife away she might get caught in the middle of a riot, or attacked while traveling.
Traveling is MUCH more dangerous than staying home, even if the home is located right in the middle of the rioting city.
FerFAL

Aceman 08-12-2011 17:08

Yeah - I'm having trouble picturing the cotton field riot....

I was thinking more "I'm in town and flash mob occurs and goes ugly"

I head for a wall to be against immediately and exit any area of interest: store fronts, ostentatious wealth/excess, public services, and mini markets....

RichJ 08-12-2011 17:23

Better hope that field isn't too wet. I've been stuck in a wet cotton field plenty of times even with 4x4.

I'd listen to FerFAL on this one. I think he may have done this a time or two.

Bolster 08-12-2011 19:08

I live in L.A. and while riots are a concern, I haven't much idea how to handle them other than avoid them. I've done a couple hours of research, finding the areas of L.A. that have the highest crime...these will be the most likely riot areas, too. So my best plan is to avoid the heck out of these areas during a riot. Unfortunately they lie between me and my work (3/4 hour freeway drive). We don't exactly get the option of toting a scattergun in the car. And neither do I have dark fantasies of shooting rioters. I would exhaust all other options first: avoidance, barricading, going grey-man, driving away, you name it.

Dexters 08-12-2011 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveG (Post 17767205)
Do you live in a vulnerable area? Do you have a plan? Do you have weapons? What will you do?

The way you put it sounds as if you are defending your property alone and that the people around you are spread out. So I don't see any way all the properties can be defended against a roving mob - too much area and too few defenders.

If there were choke points where you and your friends could put up a defense you might have a chance. I would look into non lethal options first. Because after all is over and if deaths occur you will need to justify your actions.

But I seriously you would find a mob roaming to where you live. A mob such as that in London expends a lot of energy quickly and then dissipates. They are not organized enough to handle the logistics of transportation, food etc.

The people in London are looting first and burning stores second. So why do you think they would go out of the city to the country to go to your house anyway?

fire65 08-12-2011 19:44

I don't in an area where I worry about it. I do think you need 3 or more people for a real defense. BUT, I plan to use my pump 12 gauge with my G23 as my last resort. My wife has a .20 pump and her .380 auto.
I am friends with all my neighbors and we should be OK. I feel for the people in cities where this is happening.
Do not do out in the area, do not go out at night, go in groups. I feel for the people that are not allowed to have weapons.

UneasyRider 08-12-2011 19:48

I would go with FerFal's advice on this one. An AR or AK would certainly keep a couple of guys safe with enough magazines and ammunition wouldn't it? There is nothing like force equalization from a large magazine in your rifle to protect your home.

Javelin 08-12-2011 19:54

If you can't beat em'....

:rofl:

quake 08-12-2011 21:07

I'm just kind of simple. My reflexive response was, "shoot them". :)

Misty02 08-12-2011 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by FerFAL (Post 17767448)
You have a gun? No rioter in this planet walks towards bullets flying their way.
You might want to get a shootgun and some less than lethal ammo. Police use it with good results to get rid of stupid crowds.
About sending your wife away. Rioters rarely break into homes, they prefer stores with lots of crap to loot. Now if some get ballsy, I assure you a couple shots sends them away (usually towards places to loot where they dont risk getting shot). If you send your wife away she might get caught in the middle of a riot, or attacked while traveling.
Traveling is MUCH more dangerous than staying home, even if the home is located right in the middle of the rioting city.
FerFAL

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Bolster 08-12-2011 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by quake (Post 17768511)
I'm just kind of simple. My reflexive response was, "shoot them". :)

But are you prepared to deplete your bank accounts defending yourself in the inevitable trial, and to go to jail for it? Regardless of how justified? Shooting somebody in our society isn't the end of anything, it's just the beginning of a long, unpleasant process. Even the dictates of narrow self-interest and survival mean shooting is the last resort, not the first.

LongGun1 08-12-2011 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolster (Post 17768650)
But are you prepared to deplete your bank accounts defending yourself in the inevitable trial, and to go to jail for it? Regardless of how justified? Shooting somebody in our society isn't the end of anything, it's just the beginning of a long, unpleasant process. Even the dictates of narrow self-interest and survival mean shooting is the last resort, not the first.


The tolerance for thugs wantonly destroying property..

.. & violently threatening life/limb/liberty of fine upstanding citizens in our AO..

.. is a polar opposite of those more disadvantaged areas with a grossly dysfunctional (liberal) frame of mind! :whistling:


An "Old Timer" related an incident during the late 60's Watts Riots where a "large group of coloreds" massed & started towards the center of town in a farming community I used to service. They were met by a sizable group of armed citizens & were told in no uncertain terms "we are not having any of that California nonsense here"!
The "riot" was over before it started! :rofl:

During the 92 Riots...I carried a special "riot package" just in case it spread here....so did others I know!


Personally...the way society is heading..

..I think it will be "Shoot, Shovel & Shut-up" before it is all over!

Just hope your backhoe is in good order..

..& you are well stocked with lime! :clown:


I know of one story that happened following Katrina..

..that involved rural folk, gang-bangers, swamps & gators...

..and a problem solved! :shocked:


Quote:

Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing.


YMMV

Warp 08-13-2011 00:54

I say if it's truly dangerous enough at your location to want to send wife/kids away then you had better be with them for the trip. Even if you believe they are very, very safe at the destination there is a lot between here and there.

And if it is truly dangerous enough at your location to want them somewhere else, should YOU really be there?

For most people I think staying put, as FerFal first stated, is probably best.



Fortunately for us there aren't any businesses very close to our home and we are towards the end of a dead end with some woods behind us.

WorrGlock 08-13-2011 01:00

Honestly...


Move

lawman800 08-13-2011 01:05

Starting put is preferred unless you know you will be overrun or put in more danger if you stay. Make your house low key bu not having fancy cars outside, shut windows up to hide the view into it, keep quiet, etc.

blackbmw 08-13-2011 01:47

my vote for this post is 2 different items.....One, Mr. remington 870, glock 31, and sporterized to the max enfield .303(beyond fast shooter, no recoil, 10rd mag, very accurate) and the winny 94. The second part is.....lexus gs400 with 3:92 rear, stock supra posi rear pumpin, apexi cat-back, srt cold air and piggy back, 3000 stall, and nitto tires on gs300 rims. Goes 13.3 in the quarter with a crappy transmission, which retards timing between gears. Thats a fast way to exit a riot area with 4-doors and a baby seat in the back!!!

TangoFoxtrot 08-13-2011 06:03

[QUOTE=DaveG;17767205]So I live less than a few miles from one of the top ten most dangerous and "urban" areas in the country, but right on the edge between the city and country. My neighborhood borders a cotton field... If London-style riots occur... my plan is to send the wife and kids the opposite way to stay with her parents, who live about an hour away in "real" country and are well armed and stocked with supplies. My neighbor and I plan on staying with our longarms and defending our homes for as long as possible. If we get completely outnumbered, we will climb into his 4x4 and head out across the cotton field where he will drop me off with the rest of the family and continue on his way to his own safe house...

Do you live in a vulnerable area? Do you have a plan? Do you have weapons?

What will you do?


I live outside a small city myself Dave. My plan is similar to ours. My home is well stocked and I'll lock and load to defend my home. I do have a bug out plan for the mountains a few miles away, but if it came down to a bug out due to a riot there would be a large pile of bodies piled between myself and my crazy well armed neighbors.

Dexters 08-13-2011 07:48

I think a lot of people are mistaking a rioting mob with SHTF roving bands of looters. They are two different groups.

Rioting mobs are loose associations of gangs/friends that see an opportunity to steal and cause mayhem under the cover of lawlessness. They exhaust their energy quickly like a thunderstorm. They do not have an structure or management or logistics and do not work together as one.

A SHTF roving band of looters is more focused, has a structure, works together and stay together longer than a riot.

Those suggesting shooting better be able to show that their actions were justified after the troubles are over - especially in the USA. There is no such a thing as a secrete. A friend and you get into an argument and they tell the police you killed someone. Or a friend gets arrested and they give you up to get out of trouble. Or some of the gang that escape tell the police what happened after it was all over (again maybe as a bargaining chip with the police).

Unistat 08-13-2011 08:04

This is my number one disatster that I'm preparing for. I live near Detroit. In my estimation, the most likely scenario is that riots start in Detroit for whatever reason (economic, racial, sports, combo platter, etc.) If the riots last long enough (3 days to a week,) the city will run out of food. After that the refugees/rioters will spread out to the nearby suburbs. It may die down or it may get worse.

If it looks untenable in my location, my family will go to my parents house witch is more protected because of geography, infrastructure, and planning.

My preps include:
-the appropriate amount of food and water.
-camp stove and heater with enough fuel to last for an appropriate amount of time
-firearms and enough ammo
-BOBs and bug out gear if it is too bad to stay
Still to get:
-MDF for the windows
-generator and fuel
-more emergency medical items

Of course, my preps cover more than just this one scenario but since Michigan doesn't really have much in the way of natural disasters, this is my Number One. Also, there is the precipitating factor for the riots to take into account. If it is a nationwide economic disaster, that is something to be prepared for as well.

Dexters 08-13-2011 08:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unistat (Post 17769737)
This is my number one disatster that I'm preparing for.

Get some pepper and bear spray.

UneasyRider 08-13-2011 08:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unistat (Post 17769737)
This is my number one disatster that I'm preparing for. I live near Detroit. In my estimation, the most likely scenario is that riots start in Detroit for whatever reason (economic, racial, sports, combo platter, etc.) If the riots last long enough (3 days to a week,) the city will run out of food. After that the refugees/rioters will spread out to the nearby suburbs. It may die down or it may get worse.

If it looks untenable in my location, my family will go to my parents house witch is more protected because of geography, infrastructure, and planning.

My preps include:
-the appropriate amount of food and water.
-camp stove and heater with enough fuel to last for an appropriate amount of time
-firearms and enough ammo
-BOBs and bug out gear if it is too bad to stay
Still to get:
-MDF for the windows
-generator and fuel
-more emergency medical items

Of course, my preps cover more than just this one scenario but since Michigan doesn't really have much in the way of natural disasters, this is my Number One. Also, there is the precipitating factor for the riots to take into account. If it is a nationwide economic disaster, that is something to be prepared for as well.

I don't envy you living near Detroit.

Cavalry Doc 08-13-2011 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveG (Post 17767205)
So I live less than a few miles from one of the top ten most dangerous and "urban" areas in the country, but right on the edge between the city and country. My neighborhood borders a cotton field... If London-style riots occur... my plan is to send the wife and kids the opposite way to stay with her parents, who live about an hour away in "real" country and are well armed and stocked with supplies. My neighbor and I plan on staying with our longarms and defending our homes for as long as possible. If we get completely outnumbered, we will climb into his 4x4 and head out across the cotton field where he will drop me off with the rest of the family and continue on his way to his own safe house...

Do you live in a vulnerable area? Do you have a plan? Do you have weapons? What will you do?

Uhhhh . Dude, your plan is not a good one. Two guys with long arms can stack up a lot of bodies, but I doubt that the bad guys are going to use a human wave assault without weapons on your home. More likely, they will shoot back (through the walls) , or just burn the place down around you. Traveling in a vehicle is not a good idea when things have already gotten out of control. Bullets go through cars, and streets may be blocked by looters to keep the police away.

What is your most precious thing in the world. For most of us, its our family, you should be with them.



There is a real easy solution to the OP's problem. Use one of these BEFORE the riots start.













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