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IhRedrider 12-02-2011 21:52

Do you support gun control?
 
What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.

Gunnut 45/454 12-03-2011 08:52

Why do we need gun control? We have way to much gun control now! I'm for Constitutional carry period! If your legal to own your legal to carry anywhere you wish to carry. If you can afford it buy anything you wish. Why do you want to control guns?:upeyes:

OffRoadTraveler 12-03-2011 09:05

The only gun control I want to see is the placement of the second shot. :2gun:

pilsbury 12-03-2011 09:09

As a poster above stated, there's too much even now. If they continue to chip away at our rights, including our right to own and bear arms, we will fall by the wayside.

Numismatist 12-03-2011 09:31

I support gun control that takes guns away from criminals...:whistling:

OIFx2 12-03-2011 09:42

I also agree that we should have constitutional carry for the reason stated above. I agree that felons convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to own firearms as they have lost that right through their own actions. I don't think that we should have to register our firearms, if I am legal to own then it's not their business how many pistols/rifles I have. I agree that we should inform LEO that we are carrying, no need to make their job more stressful than it is.

My view on heavier weapons is mixed... I don't like the idea of your average Joe Nobody having fully automatic weapons or grenade launchers, but I also don't like the idea of the Federal Govenment having the only ones. That would be a difficult issue to figure out/legislate.

Jerry 12-03-2011 10:31

Absolutely! Good firm grip, breath, sight picture, squuuueeeezzzzeee. We can get into more detail later but for now practice basic control.

What part of “shall not be infringed don’t people understand? You cannot stop the bad guys from possessing firearms you can only regulate honest men and woman. The founders understood this concept and wrote an amendment to the Constitution FORBIDDING government from INFRINGING on that RIGHT. Every gun control law on the books is illegal.

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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.

smokeross 12-03-2011 10:57

If there's a gun around, I wanna control it.

TheJ 12-03-2011 11:06

I'm pro freedom. Practically speaking, I don't see a need for the state to limit freedom with respect to firearms.


Self defense is a basic civil-human-natural right.

smokin762 12-03-2011 11:15

The only thing most laws do is just keep the good citizen in control and turns them into criminals at some point. The bad person just isnít interested in anybodyís rights or laws. They will do darn well what they please whenever they want. Thatís why they are criminals.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Myself, I want fewer laws not more.<o:p></o:p>
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BTW, donít forget using the breathing technique before pulling the trigger and if your target shooting, pull the trigger and keep the trigger back and then release it after a second. This helps.:cool:<o:p></o:p>

IhRedrider 12-03-2011 12:32

Sorry for the missunderstanding
 
Quote:

Why do you want to control guns?
Gunnut 45/454

I never stated my own position, so why would you assume I am for gun control?

I did not state my view on gun control because I did not want to slant the approach of the posters.

Jerry 12-03-2011 14:55

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Originally Posted by IhRedrider (Post 18237877)
Gunnut 45/454

I never stated my own position, so why would you assume I am for gun control?

I did not state my view on gun control because I did not want to slant the approach of the posters.


Because itís usually the wackoís that want gun control that come to gun boards and ask questions like.. ďDo you support gun control?Ē. They are usually fishing/trolling. Many of us are now gun shy and assume the worst. As you can see most here donít think very much of gun control and even less of those that support it.

TheJ 12-03-2011 15:02

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Originally Posted by Jerry (Post 18238319)
Because it’s usually the wacko’s that want gun control that come to gun boards and ask questions like.. “Do you support gun control?”. They are usually fishing/trolling. Many of us are now gun shy and assume the worst. As you can see most here don’t think very much of gun control and even less of those that support it.

This. Plus the fact that you posted this thread withlonely one other post ever. Those two things combine to look pretty suspicious.

dcc12 12-03-2011 17:27

Other than being responsible for every bullet that leaves any gun you fire single shot full auto SBS, SBR that's about it.

Cambo 12-03-2011 18:02

I look at it this way, if a criminal can use anything to kill another person - blade, car, hatchet, etc., and these items aren't controlled, then guns shouldn't be either. When someone says "You can't kill a lot of people with a machete." I show them the story in the Philippines where a psycho killed 16 people in 2 minutes in a crowded marketplace or one of the ones out of China where sickos killed 8 school children with butcher knives.

SixkillerEnterprises 12-03-2011 18:54

I think that it should be illegal to hold a gun sideways while you shoot it "gangsta style".




.... unless the barrel is pointed at yourself.

IhRedrider 12-03-2011 20:31

Fair enough on the suspicious look of my post.

I asked the question with the hopes that anyone who admitted that they feel that there is a need to limit or control any other free mans rights is in favor of gun control. Maybe in a limited sense, but they are pro gun control.

Since I have not revealed my stand, here it is.

I believe that the 2nd amendment is very clear. I am pro freedom.

Gun control is a liberal lie. What we need is self control. And when a man is unwilling or incapable of exercising self control, it is the rest of our responsibility to show said offender that we will not tolerate his lack of self control.

Sorry if I offended anyone with the ambiguity of my OP, that was not my intent. And to anyone offended by this post, NMP (not my problem).

Jerry 12-03-2011 23:25

No offense taken here. Glad to have you on our side. :welcome: :cheers:

Gunnut 45/454 12-04-2011 10:35

IhRedrider
Yep as Jerry said we see many "Troll" Liberals that come to our boards trying to justfy this or that law to restrict the 2nd all the time! Believe it or not there are many liberals here! They say they are gun owners maybe they are but as with all liberals they use the fine for me to own but not you mentality to justify why they own a firearm! If you look at every law that restricts guns it all about keeping legal owners from exersising there rights - not preventing criminal use! They all fail the "Shall not be Infringed " test!

IhRedrider 12-04-2011 16:29

Gunnut 45/454,
I agree, there are a lot of liberal trolls that cruise the forum looking for an opportunity to push their belief systems on others. They, however, concern me far less than the "gun supporting members? who only wish to limit certain peoples rights under certain conditions. These conditions of course are to be decided by them. These are wolves in sheep's clothing, what I refer to as closet liberals. They are far more dangerous then the self professed gun haters. I just wanted people to truly evaluate what gun control they agreed with and what was their motivation for it. I still have hope that when men are faced with the truth, they will recognize it. Thanks to all who posted.

TheJ 12-04-2011 16:30

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Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454 (Post 18241422)
IhRedrider
Yep as Jerry said we see many "Troll" Liberals that come to our boards trying to justfy this or that law to restrict the 2nd all the time! Believe it or not there are many liberals here! They say they are gun owners maybe they are but as with all liberals they use the fine for me to own but not you mentality to justify why they own a firearm! If you look at every law that restricts guns it all about keeping legal owners from exersising there rights - not preventing criminal use! They all fail the "Shall not be Infringed " test!

The other common theme among the gun owning liberals is when they don't see a particular restriction on our freedoms as affecting them personally, they assume it is a reasonable restriction and that others shoud just get over it.

John Rambo 12-04-2011 18:29

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Originally Posted by IhRedrider (Post 18235899)
What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.

I support sensible gun control 100%.

Background checks I support. No criminals owning firearms I support. No mentally deranged people owning firearms I support. Junk gun bans (REAL junk guns, not just guns that aren't Brady Campaign friendly) I support. Licensing to carry firearms on a shall-issue basis....I support, but not that strongly.

I can't think of many other gun control measures I support.

HexHead 12-04-2011 18:42

Objects shouldn't be controlled, just behavior. Punish the people using a gun in the commission of a crime, for the crime.

Gunnut 45/454 12-04-2011 21:58

John Rambo
So you support all those things - tell me where in the COTUS do you find those restrictions? What part of the 2nd allows them? Who are you to determine what is a "Junk Gun" is? By junk I assome you mean CHEAP? Why do you want to take cheap guns away from people who can't afford a Glock?:whistling:

Think about it no other amendment has these words "Shall not be Infringed" !! Why cause our founders knew the courts and lawmakers would find any excuse to nolify the 2nd if they could! Those four words makes any and all laws that "Infringe UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

NMPOPS 12-05-2011 01:24

I would agree that if you are legal to own you should be able to carry anywhere. I would add that criminals who use firearms should be punished severely, no prea bargains!

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