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Sig_Fiend 03-20-2012 11:57

Gen 1 / 1st gen / First Generation Glock 19
 
gen 1 / 1st gen / first generation / first gen

Please excuse the title and any cryptic/redundant text. It was a PITA finding search terms that would find any info on first gen 19's, so I'm using every variation I can think of to help people searching in the future. I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and picked up one of the "mythical" gen 1 19's (1988 production). I just have 1 picture at the moment, but I'll get more soon. It didn't have the original case and just came with one original mag unfortunately, though the gun is in fairly decent shape for the age.

The notable differences with these guns, over second generation 19's, are the grip angle and reduced arch (it's effectively like a Gen 1 17 that's been grip chopped). The gun feels great, and feels like a gen 2 19 with a heat reduction on the arch. In addition to that, the original recoil spring assembly (RSA) is uncaptured.

One notable thing is, on the right side of the slide (right side as in looking at the gun from the back) is stamped K.S. A.B.C. for Kansas State Alcoholic Beverage Control. Judging by the minimal information I was able to find out there, the very few gen 1 19's I was able to find pictures of all appeared to be stamped with these same markings for this same LE department.

Thankfully all serial numbers match on this gun, barrel, slide, frame, as well as all the proof marks.

I spent a significant amount of time researching these first gen 19's. It was difficult to find any sort of definitive info regarding the origins of these guns. The best conclusion I could come to with the minimal info available is, it appears to me that in 1988 there were a handful of these first gen 19's imported (info varies from roughly ~12-24 guns, maybe a few more but not very many). It sounds to me like it may be a possibility they were imported for testing by the ATF to determine legality and eligibility for importation, and then subsequently were purchased by or donated to the Kansas State Alcoholic Beverage Control for issue.

I had trouble finding much info on these. What I did find was minimal at best, with a total lack of pictures or good pictures. I plan on helping change that. I'll get as many pics as I can to better document these rare guns. Here's one to get started:

http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/m...2-16-28-21.jpg

patcrad 03-20-2012 16:14

Nice!


I assume the first two letters of the serial number are "DN", or "AN"?

Sig_Fiend 03-20-2012 16:20

Yep, it is AN4XX.

papajohn 03-20-2012 17:16

ok enquiring minds want to know..... how much did you plink down for this beauty.

Glockdude1 03-20-2012 17:23

Looks to me like a G17 frame was cut to the size of a G19. I don't believe it is a true Gen 1 G19.

http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/m...2-16-28-21.jpg
http://www.mouseguns.com/glockall/1gen17.jpg

:cool:

patcrad 03-20-2012 18:03

If the markings and serial number are correct (as stated "AN4XX") ...I think it is legit.

rebelray84 03-20-2012 23:16

More pics please!

papajohn 03-21-2012 06:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glockdude1 (Post 18736003)
Looks to me like a G17 frame was cut to the size of a G19. I don't believe it is a true Gen 1 G19.


:cool:

ok so are you just this ignorant to know how to read??:dunno:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sig_Fiend (Post 18734814)
Thankfully all serial numbers match on this gun, barrel, slide, frame, as well as all the proof marks.


kirgi08 03-21-2012 08:23

Call Glock.'08. :upeyes:

Glockdude1 03-21-2012 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by papajohn (Post 18738278)
ok so are you just this ignorant to know how to read??:dunno:

I will be more clear. I believe the frame was cut by someone other than Glock.


:cool:

patcrad 03-21-2012 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glockdude1 (Post 18739019)
I will be more clear. I believe the frame was cut by someone other than Glock.


:cool:

I think OP is indicating by all the serial numbers matching, the slide is a G19 slide, then the receiver would have to be a different serial number if it was originally a G17 cut down to accept a G19 slide.

All evidence suggests this (photo) is a legit gen 1 Glock 19. Now, the OP has to prove he did not just snap a pic of it, or find one on the internet and claim it is in his possession. So yes, some more photos would indicate the OP is legit.

Glockdude1 03-21-2012 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by patcrad (Post 18740349)
I think OP is indicating by all the serial numbers matching, the slide is a G19 slide, then the receiver would have to be a different serial number if it was originally a G17 cut down to accept a G19 slide.

All evidence suggests this (photo) is a legit gen 1 Glock 19. Now, the OP has to prove he did not just snap a pic of it, or find one on the internet and claim it is in his possession. So yes, some more photos would indicate the OP is legit.

If all the numbers match, then yes, it is a real Gen 1 G19, and the first pic of one I have ever seen.

:cool:

rebelray84 03-22-2012 02:19

More pics would settle this.Again,more pics please!

Glockdude1 03-22-2012 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebelray84 (Post 18742474)
More pics would settle this. Again, more pics please!

:agree:

17L1 03-22-2012 21:46

That looks exactly the same as mine. K.S. A.B.C.

If you do a search here you'll find several pictures that I posted of it.

Butch 03-24-2012 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glockdude1 (Post 18740417)
If all the numbers match, then yes, it is a real Gen 1 G19, and the first pic of one I have ever seen.

:cool:

I want to know where the OP found it for sale.

As far as I know, all Gen1 G19's were made with 'cut down' G17 frames.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...19firstgen.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06.../G191stGen.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06...nG19-right.jpg

SpectreRider 03-25-2012 10:06

PM me if you would like to discuss a price that would give you a nice profit.

I have never wanted to own a Glock as much as I want one of these K.S. A.B.C. factory cut 19's.

rebelray84 03-26-2012 02:40

How about some more pics OP?

Sig_Fiend 03-26-2012 10:38

Sorry guys for the lack of response. Between having a full time job, building my business on the side (in itself a full time job), preparing for the purchase of a house next month, planning for a wedding.......I basically have no free time left. ;) I'll try to get some pics ASAP, but I've had a lot on my plate lately.

MakeMineA10mm 03-28-2012 05:21

Nice!

I would love to hear the story behind finding this for sale somewhere. Talk about lucky! Did you buy a lottery ticket that day, too??

iflyem1 04-25-2012 23:20

Pics!

rebelray84 04-26-2012 22:11

Dude come on,take 15 minutes and give a little more info on this find.

jws360 05-01-2012 05:37

Are these "Gen 1" units rare? I think I have one.
 
Are these rare as some posts seems to indicate?

I ask since I have what appears to be an earlier model 19 as it has a single pin above the trigger. Bought it new in late 1993. Maybe 300 rounds through it. I don't have the "KS ABC" on the slide, though. It does have some mild checkering on the front strap & grip. This may make it gen 2.

I gotta do some research to see what the differences are with later generations and why mine only has 1 pin over the trigger instead of 2. Although I've owned this for almost 20 years I really don't know much about them. Kinda rediscovered shooting when time and circumstances began to allow.

Butch 05-01-2012 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by jws360 (Post 18913195)
Are these rare as some posts seems to indicate?

I ask since I have what appears to be an earlier model 19 as it has a single pin above the trigger. Bought it new in late 1993. Maybe 300 rounds through it. I don't have the "KS ABC" on the slide, though. It does have some mild checkering on the front strap & grip. This may make it gen 2.

I gotta do some research to see what the differences are with later generations and why mine only has 1 pin over the trigger instead of 2. Although I've owned this for almost 20 years I really don't know much about them. Kinda rediscovered shooting when time and circumstances began to allow.

If the frame looks like this one, it's a Gen2:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06.../G19MPDC-L.jpg

The 9mm guns only need the single pin above the trigger, the only reason new one's have two pins is because it simplifies the manufacturing process....why make two different frames when two pin frames work with all models?

jws360 05-01-2012 17:22

You are right, thanks.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch (Post 18913242)
If the frame looks like this one, it's a Gen2:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/06.../G19MPDC-L.jpg

The 9mm guns only need the single pin above the trigger, the only reason new one's have two pins is because it simplifies the manufacturing process....why make two different frames when two pin frames work with all models?

You are 100% right. I sent it to Glock last summer and they replaced/updated several parts, including the EDP assembly/spring, firing pin assembly, front sight and recoil spring. They did for free as some sort of update. Good customer service, IMO.


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