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Dragline 05-08-2012 08:44

Gold, Silver other PMs taking a major dump today
 
Looks like a spiraling downward trend that could continue into June.

Lower crude oil prices and strengthening U.S. dollar are apparently helping drive metal prices down so far today.

Short term not looking good for PMs currently.

Dennis in MA 05-08-2012 08:46

Can't be. Economic uncertainty means that metals go up.

JohnBT 05-08-2012 09:25

The socialist victories in France and Greece mean the world economy is all but healed and we have nothing to fear from future financial collapse.

Nobody needs gold and silver now. The future is bright. All is well.

:whistling:

Brucev 05-08-2012 09:27

As the prophet Gomer routinely said, "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!" Sgt. Carter and company never seemed to appreciate the words of the prophet. No surprise.

Flying-Dutchman 05-08-2012 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis in MA (Post 18941901)
Can't be. Economic uncertainty means that metals go up.

They already went up and that train left the station a few years back.

Crude and gold go together. Crude is down as the markets realize they have been lying about the unemployment numbers to prop up a certain person.

Dennis in MA 05-08-2012 09:33

Yeahbut, they tell me that when bad economic news comes out, gold ALWAYS goes up. Now you've introduced ANOTHER sub-rule to me. It's almost like you are saying that it depends on what investors want or fear and that it might not accurately represent the true cost.

Nahhhh, can't be. Buy gold - it always goes up.

Geko45 05-08-2012 09:35

Where is that Gold vs S&P 500 thread again?

:whistling:

arclight610 05-08-2012 09:57

Strong hands will be rewarded

fwm 05-08-2012 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis in MA (Post 18942033)
Yeahbut, they tell me that when bad economic news comes out, gold ALWAYS goes up. Now you've introduced ANOTHER sub-rule to me. It's almost like you are saying that it depends on what investors want or fear and that it might not accurately represent the true cost.

Nahhhh, can't be. Buy gold - it always goes up.

Well they always tell you about the economies of scale too. Only when you reach the masters level do you learn the rule of dis-economies of scale. (larger scale of production leads to an Increase in product price)

ETA: I believe the price of copper is suffering from this now.

Gregg702 05-08-2012 10:45

Down $40 and $0.75 are not too bad, there have been days when they dropped $100 and $4.00.

VinnieD 05-08-2012 12:28

Precious metals retain relative buying power. If the buying power of the dollar increases their price goes down. If the dollar inflates, their price goes up. Same with any commodity really.

Of course with demand they'll also fluctuate relative to the market to some degree. Gold is probably a bit inflated right now, which is why some folks are going to Silver and Copper as a more stable PM. They won't spike as much, but unless you're trying to play the market for short term gains, something with long term staying power to retain wealth in the event of major inflation or market crash, is the real value of PMs.

Of course unless you're seriously expecting an economic crash in which the dollar will crease to be accepted as currency, a mutual fund will get you better results, since it would both compensate for inflation, and grow with interest. Most people just aren't patient enough to ride them out though.

Bilbo Bagins 05-08-2012 12:49

Eventually the gold bubble had to burst. The events of the 2008 collapse and the Obama presidency just prolonged it a few years.

Just like housing prices, its got to come down to normal levels. You can't substain over a half a million dollar average homes prices and plus $1,500 an ounce for gold forever.

G29Reload 05-08-2012 13:06

When the market tanks, some people need to liquidate other assets to cover their positions…margin calls, etc.

so when a bunch of folks sell en masse, more supply available on the market depresses prices.

Dennis in MA 05-08-2012 13:37

I'm so glad you guys are around to show me how these things work.

Glocksanity 05-08-2012 14:28

That is just the paper price.

Very few are selling actual physical gold and silver.

The market manipulation continues in the pm markets with naked shorting. Nothing new here. Just a good time to stack some more. Get it while you can.

arclight610 05-08-2012 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glocksanity (Post 18942943)
That is just the paper price.

Very few are selling actual physical gold and silver.

The market manipulation continues in the pm markets with naked shorting. Nothing new here. Just a good time to stack some more. Get it while you can.

This is truth. It's nice and convenient how Apmex raises their fees to compensate. When silver was "$8", you couldn't get physical near that.

DanaT 05-08-2012 14:55

You guys dont have a couple pounds of gold and platinum laying around?

-Dana

Glocksanity 05-08-2012 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by arclight610 (Post 18942974)
This is truth. It's nice and convenient how Apmex raises their fees to compensate. When silver was "$8", you couldn't get physical near that.

Yep. And when the paper price goes to $1,000 for gold there won't be any to be had. No one will sell any physical for that price.

The paper game is coming to an end...so are the paper shenanigans. This paper dump is just part of that end game.

Keep stacking. It is the lifeboat for the coming flood.

F350 05-08-2012 16:12

When I was in Iraq as a contractor I was buying silver (physical silver; 1 troy ounce rounds) at ~$15, so I ain't hurtin', would have liked to have sold at $45+ though. I have a little over 1,000 ounces sitting in the gun safe.

If it drops some more it will bee a buying opportunity.

Dragline 05-08-2012 16:20

I just bought some palladium a couple weeks ago.
I did not anticipate a significant drop in price there, but nevertheless, here we are.


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