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Sam Spade 07-05-2012 10:25

Use of Force: Hollywood vs Reality
 
http://www.forcescience.org/hollywoodvsreality.html

Sam Spade 07-05-2012 10:29

And to quote another poster: "Not too hard to relate it to carry issues. Anyone who chooses to carry a firearm, or other weapon, and uses it, will go through many of the same processes. They're all homicides."

series1811 07-05-2012 12:42

Looks like Hollywood is winning again. :supergrin:

Cavalry Doc 07-05-2012 16:35

In Texas, all homicides go to the grand jury.

Hollywood does make things difficult. I'm giving a lecture on wound ballistics and selection of defensive handguns, and I think about a third of it will be trying to dispel Hollywood myths. People do not get blown back 6 feet with a 44 magnum, people do not die instantly. They don't sit and give you words of wisdom then just go limp. The only round that I have seen that stopped a person instantly every time, were direct hits with 40mm grenades, and those are too heavy to carry around every day.

One thing they didn't cover, on TV, someone shoots someone, and is still on the investigation 20 minutes later.

Deaf Smith 07-05-2012 18:07

Aw heck man... their SA revolvers are 60 shooters, the 'Homie stance' is a sign of toughness, and running with their gun in both hands (either right by their heads or between their legs) is SOP.

Hollywood is, uh, Hollywood. By definition it is fake.

Deaf

Misty02 07-06-2012 09:15

I'm sharing this one! :wavey:

scottydl 07-07-2012 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deaf Smith (Post 19166277)
Hollywood is, uh, Hollywood. By definition it is fake.

You'd think people would know that. But for many members of society, DirecTV and Dish Network are the only outside contact they have with the "real world" ... so it must be true, right? :upeyes:

RussP 07-07-2012 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc (Post 19165997)
People do not get blown back 6 feet with a 44 magnum, people do not die instantly.

Depending on shot placement, parts of them might... :whistling:

Sorry, Doc, I had to... :cool:

Cavalry Doc 07-07-2012 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by RussP (Post 19171020)
Depending on shot placement, parts of them might... :whistling:

Sorry, Doc, I had to... :cool:

Melon shots due tend to spray, but



Gallium 07-26-2012 17:32

Good reminder.

Caver 60 07-26-2012 19:54

Good thread. Thanks Sam. Lot's of people (I know no one on Glocktalk does) don't realize that a 'dead man' can still kill you. Lot's of people forget about the dead mans 'five seconds'.

Most hunters have seen a deer run 10 to 40 yards and even jump a fence (like I have) when their heart has literally been blown to small pieces with a centerfire rifle hit that also broke the off leg.

Imagine what a drugged up individual could do in that five seconds after a puny handgun hit, even from a dreaded 10mm.

ETA Being a retired military pilot, I can well appreciate the fact that sometimes you only have seconds (or less) to make life or death decisions.

Yet the investigative agency has days, weeks, or even months to analyze your actions and decide if you did right or wrong. Doesn't matter if you're alive or dead, they're going to look at everything and figure out what you did, or should have, or should not have done.

nomadrider 08-10-2012 07:43

That was good.

SCmasterblaster 09-07-2012 12:34

Vermont/New Hampshire
 
I wonder if all homicides go to a grand jury in the twin states? :upeyes:

TXPamIAm 02-17-2013 22:22

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Tazz10m 03-06-2013 21:58

Excellent!

SCmasterblaster 11-26-2013 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caver 60 (Post 19239637)
Good thread. Thanks Sam. Lot's of people (I know no one on Glocktalk does) don't realize that a 'dead man' can still kill you. Lot's of people forget about the dead mans 'five seconds'.

Most hunters have seen a deer run 10 to 40 yards and even jump a fence (like I have) when their heart has literally been blown to small pieces with a centerfire rifle hit that also broke the off leg.

Imagine what a drugged up individual could do in that five seconds after a puny handgun hit, even from a dreaded 10mm.

ETA Being a retired military pilot, I can well appreciate the fact that sometimes you only have seconds (or less) to make life or death decisions.

Yet the investigative agency has days, weeks, or even months to analyze your actions and decide if you did right or wrong. Doesn't matter if you're alive or dead, they're going to look at everything and figure out what you did, or should have, or should not have done.

Human reaction to bullet wounds is an inexact science.

Cavalry Doc 11-26-2013 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 20791159)
Human reaction to bullet wounds is an inexact science.

Or maybe it is an exact science, with innumerable variables.

SCmasterblaster 11-27-2013 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc (Post 20791562)
Or maybe it is an exact science, with innumerable variables.

You are probably right. I would expect that my 9mm 115gr JHP at 1400 FPS would destroy a significant length of the spinal cord or a notable portion of a brain or heart. 5 or 6 rounds would be certainly conclusive. :cool:

retired guard 12-22-2013 11:35

Thanks for sharing.

Cavalry Doc 12-22-2013 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 20793319)
You are probably right. I would expect that my 9mm 115gr JHP at 1400 FPS would destroy a significant length of the spinal cord or a notable portion of a brain or heart. 5 or 6 rounds would be certainly conclusive. :cool:

Not if you hit them in the extremities only. I've seen a number of people shot more times than that and lived.

That's why I normally recommend carrying the largest caliber that you can be accurate with.


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