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4Rules 09-08-2012 09:04

License plate readers: A useful tool for police comes with privacy concerns
 
With virtually no public debate, police agencies have begun storing the information from the cameras, building databases that document the travels of millions of vehicles.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/license-plate-readers-a-useful-tool-for-police-comes-with-privacy-concerns/2011/11/18/gIQAuEApcN_story.html

4Rules 09-08-2012 09:06

Tech gear helps police find distraught woman
 
"We used a license reader in order to identify the longitude and latitude to identify the area we believed she might be in," Fossa said.
Cellphones emit the longitude and latitude of their location so Officer Paul McNamara used the Automated License Plate Reader to narrow down the location, he said.
"As such, we were able to locate a young woman from Fitchburg who had traveled from her home," Fossa said. "It's a great story about technology, really."

http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/local/ci_21479735/tech-gear-helps-police-find-distraught-woman

Sam Spade 09-08-2012 09:56

What privacy expectation do you have in public acts with a state-issued placard?

You want a real story, delve into *private* use of this same technology.

TBO 09-16-2012 12:43

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ModGlock17 09-18-2012 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Rules (Post 19397573)
With virtually no public debate, police agencies have begun storing the information from the cameras, building databases that document the travels of millions of vehicles.

Here's a hint for ya. Watching surveillance video is the most boring thing on earth. Sometimes, I think that's what happens when you go to Hell. The Devil makes you watch surveillance video of an intersection.

We only look at them when there's troubles.

SgtScott31 09-21-2012 04:48

Our ALR does not store tag numbers. It has helped locate stolen vehicles and vehicles associated with bad crimes or runaways. I think Facebook is capturing more information about your personal life than anything a license plate reader is going to do. It posts where you have been, places that you're likely to go to, and a multitude of things that I care not do divulge; hence why I disable most of the options on it.

eracer 09-21-2012 06:08

Someone can see my license plate?

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glockout 09-24-2012 10:41

I nearly always hold a finger up when I see a traffic cam.

Brucev 09-25-2012 20:38

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Originally Posted by SgtScott31 (Post 19441406)
Our ALR does not store tag numbers. It has helped locate stolen vehicles and vehicles associated with bad crimes or runaways. I think Facebook is capturing more information about your personal life than anything a license plate reader is going to do. It posts where you have been, places that you're likely to go to, and a multitude of things that I care not do divulge; hence why I disable most of the options on it.

You are correct about facebook capturing information. And one can disable the options to suit ones own preferences. Unfortunately one cannot exercise such choice with regard to the recording, etc. of license plate information indicating locations observed, etc.

There is no reason why the police should be able to surveil law abiding citizens going about their daily activities. That sort of thing is done in old europe and england. That sort of thing is done in n. korea and other such communist countries. But, that sort of thing has absolutely no place in a free society. It has no place at all in America.

TBO 09-25-2012 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by glockout (Post 19451469)
I nearly always hold a finger up when I see a traffic cam.

They're not recording you on your bicycle.

CitizenOfDreams 09-25-2012 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Spade (Post 19397728)
You want a real story, delve into *private* use of this same technology.

What's the worst a private company can do to me? Show me a personalized ad banner based on my travel routes?

Foxtrotx1 09-25-2012 22:48

well, driving is a privilege not a right. If you don't want your plate read don't drive.

CitizenOfDreams 09-26-2012 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxtrotx1 (Post 19457153)
well, driving is a privilege not a right. If you don't want your plate read don't drive.

So, freedom of travel in general is a right, yet traveling by any specific means (car, bus, subway, airplane...) is a privilege?

Are the rest of the "freedoms" in the Constitution the same way?

TBO 09-26-2012 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by CitizenOfDreams (Post 19457764)
So, freedom of travel in general is a right, yet traveling by any specific means (car, bus, subway, airplane...) is a privilege?

Are the rest of the "freedoms" in the Constitution the same way?

Driver's License, issued by the state.
Vehicle License plate, issued by the state.
Roads/Streets/Highways, built by government.

All regulated by the state.

Don't like it? Build your own roads/highways and do as you like.

Otherwise, drum your feet all you like, as you have no leg to stand on.

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Armchair Commando 09-26-2012 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBO (Post 19457862)
Driver's License, issued by the state.
Vehicle License plate, issued by the state.
Roads/Streets/Highways, built by government.

All regulated by the state.

Don't like it? Build your own roads/highways and do as you like.

Otherwise, drum your feet all you like, as you have no leg to stand on.

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You should write built by tax payers, Government didn't build anything, tax payers money did.

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SgtScott31 09-28-2012 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brucev (Post 19456857)
You are correct about facebook capturing information. And one can disable the options to suit ones own preferences. Unfortunately one cannot exercise such choice with regard to the recording, etc. of license plate information indicating locations observed, etc.

There is no reason why the police should be able to surveil law abiding citizens going about their daily activities. That sort of thing is done in old europe and england. That sort of thing is done in n. korea and other such communist countries. But, that sort of thing has absolutely no place in a free society. It has no place at all in America.

It's no different than a LEO running your tag while he's traveling behind you or driving by your vehicle parked in a lot. It's a license plate on a public road (or in a public area). There's absolutely no expectation of privacy.

TBO 09-29-2012 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by SgtScott31 (Post 19465834)
It's no different than a LEO running your tag while he's traveling behind you or driving by your vehicle parked in a lot. It's a license plate on a public road (or in a public area). There's absolutely no expectation of privacy.

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CitizenOfDreams 09-30-2012 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by SgtScott31 (Post 19465834)
It's no different than a LEO running your tag while he's traveling behind you or driving by your vehicle parked in a lot.

So you see no difference between checking tags and tracking?

Would you mind wearing a GPS ankle bracelet every time you leave your house? It's no different than a cop seeing you on the street, according to your logic.[/QUOTE]

TBO 10-01-2012 20:37

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SgtScott31 10-19-2012 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by CitizenOfDreams (Post 19471311)
So you see no difference between checking tags and tracking?

Would you mind wearing a GPS ankle bracelet every time you leave your house? It's no different than a cop seeing you on the street, according to your logic.

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There's obviously a difference between checking tags and tracking. Although conducting surveillance and following someone around does not require a warrant either. As the officers doing the following are going anywhere anyone else in public can go. There are no black helicopters overhead. It's simply a tool that will identify tags associated with crimes/missing persons.


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