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quichedem 09-24-2012 19:09

What would you do with these rounds? Pics!
 
A family member gave me a couple hundred rounds of OLD .223. That's great, but much of it is corroded. There is a varying degree of corrosion on the rounds, which you can see here:
http://imageshack.us/a/img109/9391/hollowgroup.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img193/7770/corr5.jpg
There are also some soft point rounds that the lead has corroded pretty badly:
http://imageshack.us/a/img21/3654/softpointgroup3.jpg
I also got some hollow points, which seem to have survived the best:
http://imageshack.us/a/img837/535/hollowupclose.jpg
Some of the rounds are Norma, and I don't recognize the other type:
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/1268/556blankhead.jpg
Here is a little more detail of some of the case corrosion:
http://imageshack.us/a/img39/5240/corr1.jpg
I'm not really planning on shooting most of these rounds, but I definitely can't bring myself to throw them away. There are many salvageable rounds with little/no corrosion, and very few have corroded primers(obviously not shooting). I ask the forum for ideas on what to do with these rounds. I have more pics if these aren't enough for a good decision. Thanks in advance!

cadillacguns 09-25-2012 05:50

Whipe the Verdigo from the lead tips and shoot it.

FLIPPER 348 09-25-2012 07:58

shoot it all

bruzer 09-25-2012 08:32

Send them to me, I'll wipe them down, shoot them and if you want send the brass back to you. Problem solved.
Good luck and stay safe,
Mike

tango44 09-25-2012 09:35

Shoot it all, I just put those on the tumbles for about 10 mins and no problems at all!

JW1178 09-25-2012 13:50

The worse thing that can happen with old ammo (considering it was manufactured right) is it won't fire when you pull the trigger.

quichedem 09-25-2012 14:27

It seems like the consensus is to hang onto it and shoot it. I guess I'll rig up a tumbler next weekend. Thanks for the replies!

plasticslap 09-27-2012 11:19

Shoot it. +1 on the quick tumble to remove that crud.


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SCmasterblaster 09-27-2012 18:14

Shoot them. That will get the crud off!

ca survivor 09-28-2012 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by tango44 (Post 19454957)
Shoot it all, I just put those on the tumbles for about 10 mins and no problems at all!

DO NOT put live ammo in a tumbler.....

SCmasterblaster 09-28-2012 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca survivor (Post 19464611)
DO NOT put live ammo in a tumbler.....

SO TRUE. The propellant would be altered greatly via vibration. There's now way that I would shoot tumbled ammunition.

dkf 09-28-2012 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca survivor (Post 19464611)
DO NOT put live ammo in a tumbler.....

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How do you think the ammo companies get your ammo so shiney.

Glockbuster 09-28-2012 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkf (Post 19464766)
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How do you think the ammo companies get your ammo so shiney.

DO NOT put old rifle ammo in a tumbler!!!!!!

SCmasterblaster 09-28-2012 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkf (Post 19464766)
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How do you think the ammo companies get your ammo so shiney.

The clean the brass shiny BEFORE loading it.

dkf 09-28-2012 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19465494)
The clean the brass shiny BEFORE loading it.

And they get the marks off the brass and bullets from the reloading process how? They tumble it after it is loaded.

Quote:

SO TRUE. The propellant would be altered greatly via vibration. There's now way that I would shoot tumbled ammunition.
Yeah I'm sure the military makes sure to only ship their ammo in special low vibration trucks, ships, choppers and airplanes as to not disturb the powder. The troops walk extra soft to make sure not to shake their ammo. I'm sure the UPS truck that is hauling the ammo I ordered earlier in the week does not vibrate at all during the couple thousand mile trip. Five or ten minutes a vibratory tumbler is not going hurt anything.

Ain't the internet grand.:faint:

Glockbuster 09-28-2012 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkf (Post 19465684)
And they get the marks off the brass and bullets from the reloading process how? They tumble it after it is loaded.

Yeah I'm sure the military makes sure to only ship their ammo in special low vibration trucks, ships, choppers and airplanes as to not disturb the powder. The troops walk extra soft to make sure not to shake their ammo. I'm sure the UPS truck that is hauling the ammo I ordered earlier in the week does not vibrate at all during the couple thousand mile trip. Five or ten minutes a vibratory tumbler is not going hurt anything.

Ain't the internet grand.:faint:


You are providing internet advice which is against specific warnings of powder manufacturers.
Tumble vibration is different than the other vibrations you are comparing to, much higher in frequency. It is known--or at least it is what the powder manufacturers say--that tumble vibration alters burning properties of powder, usually increasing burning rate. As most rifle powders are slow burning, rifle ammo is especially susceptible to this.

I say again, DO NOT tumble rifle ammunition.

dkf 09-28-2012 20:37

I am aware of powder companies positions. If I was a powder manufacturer I would recommend against any tumbling also. Promoting it does nothing but open them up to liability if they say it ok. Any old idiot can claim the tumbler caused their issue and file a BS lawsuit.(even though their double charge was to blame) The powder company will probably settle to avoid even more money layout to fight it in court. Their lawyer advised them on that.

I have seen enough actual tests of loaded rounds in a vibratory tumbler for days and some left even weeks and they came out fine and the powder was as new. This is right along with the "You can't shoot lead in a Glock barrel" warnings the internet experts always spread around. Glock does not recommend it so it must be true.

So how many KBs have you had that was definitavly caused by vibratory tumbling ammunition for say 10 minutes?

Glockbuster 09-28-2012 20:47

I know it is a much debated issue among gurus. I know ammo companies position on this and powder companies too.
Personally, I think it does not matter much for short periods of time if the powder is already fast burning or in generally good condition. But those old rifle rounds look real old and beaten. I have fired quite a few of similar looking with no issues and no tumbling except for a foul ammonia odor after firing, which is not present on newer rounds, and maybe slightly greater pressure felt. So why bother with the risk ? if the powder is indeed really old, then some of the warnings may become reality with it breaking down easier.

Warp 09-28-2012 20:50

I can't imagine a problem with tumbling live ammo.

dkf 09-28-2012 20:54

I guess it all depends what gun you want to shoot them in. I would just throw the bad ones in the tumbler to knock the loose corrosion off and done with it. Personal preference I guess. I would bet those rounds have been bounced around plenty in their life. If anyone can break it a shipping company can.:faint:


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