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FCoulter 09-26-2012 09:10

The Day of Atonement
 
Today is The Day of Atonement, Enjoy.

http://cbcg.org/Video/20120926_Day_of_Atonement.htm

Roering 09-26-2012 14:24

Yom Kippur

rgregoryb 09-26-2012 15:21

Yum Kipper

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brokenprism 09-26-2012 21:00

FCoulter, have you done any reading on the links between the feast days (as shadows of the truth that was to come) and actual events in teh life of teh church on the actual feast days? For example, Jesus, the Lamb of God, was crucified on Passover. The true Bread from heaven was in the tomb on the feast of unleavened bread. He was raised on Firstfruits, the "firstborn from among hedead." 3,000 souls were added to the church on Pentecost, a harvest festival.

And then there's a long gap in the festival calendar -- between the spring feasts and the fall feasts -- analogous to the long gap of years between His first and second advents.

This means that we coudl resaonably expect the gathering of God's people on a Feast of Trumpets (a "solemn assembly"), and the second advent on the Day of Atonement, when Israel will with faith "look upon Him whom they pierced, and mourn for Him as for an only son," resulting in their national redemption. Though the festival year ends with tabernacles, I have a personal opinion that it will have been fulfilled twice: we may learn that Jesus, who John says "tented" among us in the flesh, was born on Tabernacles, and He will fulfill it again in the new heaven and new earth, when we dwell with Him, and in Him. It's an awesome area of study. Every autumn, my hope is tugged a little, and on Trumpets, I'm more... alert. We don't know the "hour or the day" but that could simply mean we don't know which calendar year His return will fall in. Or it could mean we don't know (with certainty) but we could be close.

I'd guess that the 'kings from the east' came to Israel when they did, following a 'star,' because they had knowledge of the feasts, and Tabernacles was coming -- and it was coming in the year Daniel had predicted Messiah would come. These were Persian mystics or somethign similar, and they had a history with the Jews who were in captivity in their region, so they would have had a copy of Daniel.

Brasso 09-27-2012 12:20

The Last Trump (Awakening Trump) on Yom Teruah, which will wake the dead.

The Great Trump on Yom Kippur, when He sets foot on the Mt. of Olives and the Bride becomes white as snow. A day of great repentence and joy.

His death represented all the sacrifices of the year, which dealt with unintentional sin. But once a year, on Yom Kippur, the inentional sins from the previous year were wiped away as well. The other aspect of His now being the High Priest.

Kingarthurhk 09-28-2012 05:07

Well, did you all atone for your sins and present your food offering on the altar to be consumed?


Leviticus 23:26, "The Lord said to Moses, <sup class="versenum">27 </sup>“The tenth day of this seventh month<sup class="crossreference" value='(AU)'></sup> is the Day of Atonement.<sup class="crossreference" value='(AV)'></sup> Hold a sacred assembly<sup class="crossreference" value='(AW)'></sup> and deny yourselves,<sup class="footnote" value='[d]'>[d]</sup> and present a food offering to the Lord"

Or, perhaps did you look forward past the ceremony ot the atoning sacrifice Jesus has already made for us?



Brasso 09-28-2012 06:29

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Or, perhaps did you look forward past the ceremony ot the atoning sacrifice Jesus has already made for us?
Pull your head out of your butt for a change.

All these days were given by Him and are about Him. Shut your mouth and quit saying stupid things. I'm really tired of your constant blasphemy. One of these days you'll stop calling God a liar.

Lev 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.

FCoulter 09-28-2012 06:47

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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk (Post 19463508)
Well, did you all atone for your sins and present your food offering on the altar to be consumed?


Leviticus 23:26, "The Lord said to Moses, <sup class="versenum">27 </sup>“The tenth day of this seventh month<sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-3430AU&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AU</a>)"></sup> is the Day of Atonement.<sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-3430AV&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AV</a>)"></sup> Hold a sacred assembly<sup class="crossreference" value="(<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#cen-NIV-3430AW&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AW</a>)"></sup> and deny yourselves,<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/#fen-NIV-3430d&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>d</a>]">[d]</sup> and present a food offering to the Lord"

Or, perhaps did you look forward past the ceremony ot the atoning sacrifice Jesus has already made for us?


Dumb dumb, if you actually obeyed Gods commands you would unstand how to keep them. We no longer giver offerings on an alter, Jesus was the last sacrifical sin offering, however, every Holy Days we do give a offering to God. Maybe you should try it sometimes.


Also, if you only had a brain, you would know The Day of Atonement is a fast day, no food or water the entire day, this is the atonement we present.


Now carry on and look forward to keeping your pagan, made made holidays that will profit you nothing.

Vic Hays 09-28-2012 10:52

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Originally Posted by FCoulter (Post 19463664)
Dumb dumb, if you actually obeyed Gods commands you would unstand how to keep them. We no longer giver offerings on an alter, Jesus was the last sacrifical sin offering, however, every Holy Days we do give a offering to God. Maybe you should try it sometimes.


Also, if you only had a brain, you would know The Day of Atonement is a fast day, no food or water the entire day, this is the atonement we present.


Now carry on and look forward to keeping your pagan, made made holidays that will profit you nothing.

How are you so double minded that you say these things are forever and yet you choose not to obey them yourself?

You present your own gutted out version and deride those who think otherwise.

FCoulter 09-28-2012 13:05

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays (Post 19464364)
How are you so double minded that you say these things are forever and yet you choose not to obey them yourself?

You present your own gutted out version and deride those who think otherwise.

Brother trust me I obey what God command, unlike you I understand scripture and how christians arevto keep God commands. If you like I can school you with truth not lies from a crazy false prophet.

Kingarthurhk 09-28-2012 13:28

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Originally Posted by FCoulter (Post 19463664)
Dumb dumb, if you actually obeyed Gods commands you would unstand how to keep them. We no longer giver offerings on an alter, Jesus was the last sacrifical sin offering, however, every Holy Days we do give a offering to God. Maybe you should try it sometimes.


Also, if you only had a brain, you would know The Day of Atonement is a fast day, no food or water the entire day, this is the atonement we present.


Now carry on and look forward to keeping your pagan, made made holidays that will profit you nothing.

And in keeping a feast that pointed to His sacrifice, you deny the power of His power of atonement, and attempt to crucify Him anew.

FCoulter 09-28-2012 18:13

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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk (Post 19464925)
And in keeping a feast that pointed to His sacrifice, you deny the power of His power of atonement, and attempt to crucify Him anew.

Its obvious you don't have a clue what The Day of Atonement is about. Here for your edification I present to you, from one of the Adventist leading authors.

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/festivals_2/5.html




GreenDrake 09-28-2012 18:40

isn't that when the chicks lift and don't do cardio?

Kingarthurhk 09-29-2012 06:24

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Originally Posted by FCoulter (Post 19465751)
Its obvious you don't have a clue what The Day of Atonement is about. Here for your edification I present to you, from one of the Adventist leading authors.

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/festivals_2/5.html



The Day of Atonement was kept by the Israelites, who by-the-way, were required to offer a sacrifice at the altar, pointed toward Christ's atonment for our sins. Not only do you not keep it as prescribed in Leviticus, you blaspheme the crucificiton in its practice.

FCoulter 09-29-2012 07:12

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Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk (Post 19467055)
The Day of Atonement has kept by the Israelites, who by-the-way, were required to offer a sacrifice at the altar, pointed toward Christ's atonment for our sins. Not only do you not keep it as prescribed in Leviticus, you blaspheme the crucificiton in its practice.

It's obvious you don't follow Jesus and the apostles examples do you? http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/commentary/should-christians-observe-the-day-of-atonement


Hope you actually read these articles before spewing silliness.


http://www.cgca.net/pabco/lesson29.htm

Also,kingy. You aren't being a good Adventist rejecting what one of you leading authors teachings. Samuele Bacchiocchi

Kingarthurhk 09-29-2012 07:42

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Originally Posted by FCoulter (Post 19467168)
It's obvious you don't follow Jesus and the apostles examples do you? http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/commentary/should-christians-observe-the-day-of-atonement


Hope you actually read these articles before spewing silliness.


http://www.cgca.net/pabco/lesson29.htm

Also,kingy. You aren't being a good Adventist rejecting what one of you leading authors teachings. Samuele Bacchiocchi

I reject your nonsense. You do not keep the day as presecribed in Leveticus, thus making it a mockery. Then, you you attempt to keep a ceremony that pointed toward Jesus' sacrifice and atonement for our sins on the cross, as if to say, the Messiah never came and never made an atonement for our sins. You offer strange fire before the Lord.

Kingarthurhk 09-29-2012 08:44

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Originally Posted by Brasso (Post 19463638)
Pull your head out of your butt for a change.

All these days were given by Him and are about Him. Shut your mouth and quit saying stupid things. I'm really tired of your constant blasphemy. One of these days you'll stop calling God a liar.

Lev 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Matthew 9:9-13, "As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,”<sup class="crossreference" value='(L)'></sup> he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.
<sup class="versenum">10 </sup>While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”<sup class="crossreference" value='(M)'></sup>

<sup class="versenum">12 </sup>On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.<sup class="versenum">13 </sup>But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’<sup class="footnote" value='[a]'>[a]</sup><sup class="crossreference" value='(N)'></sup> For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”<sup class="crossreference" value='(O)'></sup>

brokenprism 09-29-2012 13:34

Why are FCoulter and Brasso so hostile? KingArthur appears to be calmly stating his position -- he's right, by the way -- and the others are not playing nice.

[Past this point, it seems I misspoke.]

FCoulter 09-29-2012 14:20

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Originally Posted by brokenprism (Post 19468199)
Why are FCoulter and Brasso so hostile? KingArthur appears to be calmly stating his position -- he's right, by the way -- and the legalists are not playing nice.

SDA is a well known cult, and cults are populated with unregenerated people who think they're Christians, but the behavior exhibited here argues for what they are: unbelievers with the dangerous weapon of religion in their hands.

You can't hold to SDA doctrines and be regenerated. Here's why: The SCripture says of believers "You have no need that anyone should teach you, for the Spirit Himself teaches you." That's true if you're indwelt by the Spirit. You're only indwelt by the Spirit if you've been born again. If you've been born again and have been indwelt by the Spirit, you cannot hold an unbiblical view.

The SDA 'thing' is to emphasize the keeping of one or two of the Mosaic laws in order to remain in favor with God. The books of Hebrews and Galatians are almost entirely about why Christians are free from the obligations of the law. They say that anyone who wants to keep the law is under a curse, because of course it is impossible to keep the law. The law was given to expose the sinfulness of those who tried to keep it. It adds condemnation; it does not lead to righteousness, it leads to death. To pick one or two of the laws (like observance of the Sabbath) and neglect the rest is fatal, because the deal was that if you offend by breaking only one of the laws, even once, you've broken all of them, so if you've broken one of them, it's over, forever. You get no second chance to 'do better.' Jesus lived a life of perfect obedience to the whole law (in that sense, salvation was by works, but His works, not ours), and died an atoning death on behalf of His people. This frees us from obligation to the law, and to turn back to it is to insult the Spirit of grace and heap judgment on yourself.

King Arthur is one of them SDa's that pick and choose which laws too keep. Hmmmmm

Kingarthurhk 09-29-2012 14:54

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Originally Posted by brokenprism (Post 19468199)
Why are FCoulter and Brasso so hostile? KingArthur appears to be calmly stating his position -- he's right, by the way -- and the legalists are not playing nice.

SDA is a well known cult, and cults are populated with unregenerated people who think they're Christians, but the behavior exhibited here argues for what they are: unbelievers with the dangerous weapon of religion in their hands.

You can't hold to SDA doctrines and be regenerated. Here's why: The SCripture says of believers "You have no need that anyone should teach you, for the Spirit Himself teaches you." That's true if you're indwelt by the Spirit. You're only indwelt by the Spirit if you've been born again. If you've been born again and have been indwelt by the Spirit, you cannot hold an unbiblical view.

The SDA 'thing' is to emphasize the keeping of one or two of the Mosaic laws in order to remain in favor with God. The books of Hebrews and Galatians are almost entirely about why Christians are free from the obligations of the law. They say that anyone who wants to keep the law is under a curse, because of course it is impossible to keep the law. The law was given to expose the sinfulness of those who tried to keep it. It adds condemnation; it does not lead to righteousness, it leads to death. To pick one or two of the laws (like observance of the Sabbath) and neglect the rest is fatal, because the deal was that if you offend by breaking only one of the laws, even once, you've broken all of them, so if you've broken one of them, it's over, forever. You get no second chance to 'do better.' Jesus lived a life of perfect obedience to the whole law (in that sense, salvation was by works, but His works, not ours), and died an atoning death on behalf of His people. This frees us from obligation to the law, and to turn back to it is to insult the Spirit of grace and heap judgment on yourself.

Actually, I am an SDA member. To put our doctrine in a nutshell, you can't earn your way to heaven by works. The works that you generate are a litmus test to your relationship with Jesus Christ. It is only by His atoning sacrifice are we saved, and by His power can we do anything at all. The ten commandments written on two tablets by the hand of God are the moral law spoken of by Christ when He said not one jot or title would pass away.

However, it is not the law that saves us, it is Jesus Christ that does. John 3 makes that pretty clear. I think you may have me confused with the other two fellows on this thread.:supergrin:


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