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jph02 10-01-2012 11:58

Pocket Carry Results in Negligent Discharge
 
Cocked gun goes off as Pontiac man reaches into his pocket

Too bad the article doesn't say what type of handgun he had. Good thing he had a CPL, but he may be liable to lose his CPL, his kid, or both. :shakehead:

dosei 10-01-2012 12:22

Based on the info it seems fair to surmise that he was not using a proper pocket holster, and he most definitely did not exercise proper trigger finger discipline.

RJ's Guns 10-01-2012 12:44

I would be interested to learn what handgun was in his pocket.

If the article is accurate, it was revealing to learn that “he forgot the gun was cocked when he reached into his pocket”.
RJ

NDCent 10-01-2012 12:49

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Originally Posted by RJ's Guns (Post 19474468)
I would be interested to learn what handgun was in his pocket.

If the article is accurate, it was revealing to learn that “he forgot the gun was cocked when he reached into his pocket”.
RJ

I'd like to know the same, but whatever flavor he shouldn't have had his finger on the trigger.

ChuteTheMall 10-01-2012 12:55

If it was actually cocked, I'm suspecting a revolver because most pocket-sized semi-autos seem to be hammerless.

Chris Chris 10-01-2012 12:59

If you are stupid you can shoot yourself in a lot of places when you draw or holster a firearm. Pocket carry is only one of them. That doesn't mean that pocket carry is inherently unsafe... only that some people are stupid; irrespective of where they carry.

mrsurfboard 10-01-2012 13:40

Pocket carry with a proper holster is just plain stupid.

Glockbuster 10-01-2012 13:56

If one is to carry without a holster in a pocket and the gun is not a revolver, then that is one of those times I favor an unchambered C3 weapon.

X-Centric 10-01-2012 14:17

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Originally Posted by mrsurfboard (Post 19474636)
Pocket carry with a proper holster is just plain stupid.

Please explain. I pocket carry with proper holsters.

concretefuzzynuts 10-01-2012 14:28

A holster that covers the trigger and not having a cocked revolver would be the answer. Tough way to learn a lesson.

I pocket carry every day DAO in a deep holster.

krisspy 10-01-2012 14:31

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Originally Posted by X-Centric (Post 19474739)
Please explain. I pocket carry with proper holsters.

Pretty sure he meant "without". :whistling:

SCmasterblaster 10-01-2012 14:58

I wonder if it was a Glock or some other pistol without a safety?

FireForged 10-01-2012 15:51

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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall (Post 19474511)
If it was actually cocked, I'm suspecting a revolver because most pocket-sized semi-autos seem to be hammerless.

if the guy accidentally managed a 10-13lb trigger pull on a revolver, he is a real goof. I dont read too much into the use of the word "cocked".. as most reporter just mean "its loaded"

mrsurfboard 10-01-2012 16:43

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Originally Posted by X-Centric (Post 19474739)
Please explain. I pocket carry with proper holsters.

That should have been "without"

Deaf Smith 10-01-2012 17:26

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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall (Post 19474511)
If it was actually cocked, I'm suspecting a revolver because most pocket-sized semi-autos seem to be hammerless.

Sig and Colt make SA '1911' style pocket .380s. Might be one of them.

Deaf

C6vetter 10-01-2012 22:03

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Originally Posted by Deaf Smith (Post 19475348)
Sig and Colt make SA '1911' style pocket .380s. Might be one of them.

Deaf

Doubt it. My wife's Sig P238 380 ACP has a safety if you carry cocked and locked. You'd have to be very careless to AD that weapon.

jph02 10-02-2012 05:45

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Originally Posted by C6vetter (Post 19476390)
Doubt it. My wife's Sig P238 380 ACP has a safety if you carry cocked and locked. You'd have to be very careless to AD that weapon.

Which is why we call it negligent discharge; it's not accidental at all, imho.

jph02 10-02-2012 06:23

It appears there will be no charges, but will he get his gun back? And, he's still not out of hot water with Child Protective Services yet. Still no specifics about the gun itself.

Pontiac man with toddler accidentally shoots self; no charges expected

ChuteTheMall 10-02-2012 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deaf Smith (Post 19475348)
Sig and Colt make SA '1911' style pocket .380s. Might be one of them.

Deaf

Possibly, but they are relatively rare and expensive enough to weed out most of the candidates for the Darwin awards.

Some other possibilities could be Walther PPK and clones, Makarov, or even the Saturday Night Specials such as Davis .380 or Raven .25 types, or Bryco, Jimenez, Cobra, etc. I'm thinking these are more likely to be carried cocked and locked by a tiny little safety, without a holster, and by someone who is not well trained.

Or the media could be wrong about it actually being cocked, and it could be almost anything, even a Glock or Kel-Tec.

:dunno:

.

TDC20 10-02-2012 10:05

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Originally Posted by jph02 (Post 19476917)
It appears there will be no charges, but will he get his gun back? And, he's still not out of hot water with Child Protective Services yet. Still no specifics about the gun itself.

Pontiac man with toddler accidentally shoots self; no charges expected

Good safety tips from the Sheriff, but I'm disappointed that he didn't mention using a proper holster that completely covers the trigger and trigger guard. Of course, if he had, a large number of readers would probably think he meant a holster as one that is "worn on the hip", not a holster intended for pocket carry.


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