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Kentguy 10-02-2012 11:20

Speaking about lead bullets...
 
Greetings,
First off let me say that I do not cast my own lead bullets - I know shame on me :shame: anyway I have in the recent past used bullets by "Stuer's Choice" however they have discontinued their line of LSWC bullets. I have recently run out of my stash of these LSWC's for my 38 special/357 magnum so I have been on the hunt for another source. These lead bullets were fine for punching wholes in paper but still just a bit inconsistent... but they were cheap. Perhaps that falls under the category of "you get what you pay for"?:dunno:

Fred recommended http://www.missouribullet.com/detail...ry=9&keywords= for my 44 magnum, which I have just place an order for some and anticipate these to be the ticket for my needs there. If so I could be a steady customer, especially for my revolver loads.

Anyway I was wondering - If you are not casting your own, who's lead bullets do you use? and why? Is it price or performance?

just like to hear your thoughts on this.

sellersm 10-02-2012 11:50

Missouri Bullet is my favorite for consistent quality and great price, top-shelf service. ZCast Bulletz is best for price.

For some great hardcast, Rim Rock Bullets or Hunters Supply are great. So is Badman Bullets.

DoctaGlockta 10-02-2012 11:56

MBC here.

Beware Owner 10-02-2012 12:01

Two Alpha Bullets, cheapest I've ever found.

www.twoalphabullets.com/

F106 Fan 10-02-2012 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by sellersm (Post 19477795)
Missouri Bullet is my favorite for consistent quality and great price, top-shelf service. ZCast Bulletz is best for price.

For some great hardcast, Rim Rock Bullets or Hunters Supply are great. So is Badman Bullets.

Thanks for the tip on ZCast - I just ordered 2000 .45 LSWC to try.

Richard

sellersm 10-02-2012 12:24

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Originally Posted by Beware Owner (Post 19477821)
Two Alpha Bullets, cheapest I've ever found.

www.twoalphabullets.com/


Then you should look at ZCast! They're even cheaper...

I forgot to add Bootheel Bullets. They have a good product, very accurate.

ColoCG 10-02-2012 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by sellersm (Post 19477887)
Then you should look at ZCast! They're even cheaper...

I forgot to add Bootheel Bullets. They have a good product, very accurate.


How is the quality of ZCast bullets, some of the pictures on their website don't look all that great? Driving bands not filled in etc.

fredj338 10-02-2012 13:31

I like TwoAlpha as well for plinkers if I am not casting my own.

stak 10-02-2012 13:37

I'm just looking at 9mm and made a Google Docs spreadsheet you can look at using these vendors.

Hunters Supply and Rim Rock both wanted me to create an account and login which I just wasn't going to do.

In 115 MBC is the cheapest by getting to as low as $0.0640 per with 6000 shipped. Although even if you just do 500 they are still pretty cheap at $0.0655 per.

In 124/125 ZCast is $0.0552 per starting at 2500 shipped.

In 147 ZCast is $0.0585 per starting at 2000 shipped.

-Mike

Beware Owner 10-02-2012 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by stak (Post 19478103)
I'm just looking at 9mm and made a Google Docs spreadsheet you can look at using these vendors.

Hunters Supply and Rim Rock both wanted me to create an account and login which I just wasn't going to do.

In 115 MBC is the cheapest by getting to as low as $0.0640 per with 6000 shipped. Although even if you just do 500 they are still pretty cheap at $0.0655 per.

In 124/125 ZCast is $0.0552 per starting at 2500 shipped.

In 147 ZCast is $0.0585 per starting at 2000 shipped.

-Mike

I was starting to like Zcast but their shipping is more than Two Alpha.

stak 10-02-2012 13:52

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Originally Posted by Beware Owner (Post 19478112)
I was starting to like Zcast but their shipping is more than Two Alpha.

For ZCast you have to tweak the quantities to get the max amount in a shipped box. Look at my spreadsheet and you will see.

That's what I did with each one to find the price break quantities. What is listed is the max quantity for that shipping cost.

HAMMERHEAD 10-02-2012 14:38

With a few exceptions, I haven't had good luck with cast lead bullets.
I use Hornady or Speer cold formed lead bullets. In most cases I get better accuracy and less leading.

Kentguy 10-02-2012 15:16

Hammerhead,
these bullets?
http://www.hornady.com/store/Lead-Pistol-Bullets/
http://www.speer-bullets.com/product...nker/lead.aspx

stak,
Thanks for the spreadsheet! :thumbsup:

I was also wondering about ZCast bullets... they look a bit rough, but then again the price sure looks good.

Two Alphas look similar to Lyman's bullets.

Rich22 10-02-2012 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by sellersm (Post 19477795)
Missouri Bullet is my favorite for consistent quality and great price, top-shelf service. ZCast Bulletz is best for price.

For some great hardcast, Rim Rock Bullets or Hunters Supply are great. So is Badman Bullets.

Any experience firing these through a standard glock barrel? Trying to see if they lead significantly or not, I have heard numerous conflicting reports.

Thanks

sellersm 10-02-2012 15:39

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Originally Posted by Rich22 (Post 19478389)
Any experience firing these through a standard glock barrel? Trying to see if they lead significantly or not, I have heard numerous conflicting reports.

Thanks

I don't, no. I'm firing through other makes/models and my Glock has an aftermarket barrel. Sorry...

Colorado4Wheel 10-02-2012 15:41

You won't know till try them in your barrel.

Kentguy 10-02-2012 16:23

Rich22,

Do a search in this forum on Glocks & lead ammo and you'll find many threads on this subject. I have only shot about 200 rounds or so through my G21 (no issues) but that is hardly something to say "it is totally safe."

Colorado4wheel has most likely the best advise; "You won't know till try them in your barrel."

Let us know how it works for you.

JaPes 10-02-2012 16:36

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Originally Posted by Kentguy (Post 19477719)
Anyway I was wondering - If you are not casting your own, who's lead bullets do you use? and why? Is it price or performance?

I did the same search as you a few months ago. Missouri Bullet Co. is always mentioned, and nearly always highly recommended.

I like the fact Missouri Bullet Co offers a wide range of choices, even within specific caliber projectiles. Orders ship on time, no lengthy waits. Pricing is competitive.

My experience with their 115gr. 9mm LRN, 158gr .357 LSWC, and 230gr. .45 ACP LRN is positive. If I do my job right, the projectiles do their job.

I'm trying out some Bear Creek 230gr Moly coated .45 ACP LRN's. They're ok so far. Less smokey than a lubed cast projectile. I'm still on the fence on them. Moly is hygroscopic & needs to be cleaned out after every range trip. I've noticed that it takes a little longer to clean the bore after using moly projectiles.

If I leave some moly behind in the bore, there is a possibility of rust due to moly being hygroscopic. I don't have that same worry when shooting a regular lead hard cast projectile.

EDIT TO ADD:

I don't own any firearms with a polygonal rifled barrel. The generally accepted rule is not to fire non-jacked ammo from a polygonal rifled barrel. If you do, lead build up will lead to a catastrophic failure.

Some individuals fire non-jacketed ammo through a polygonal rifled barrel and claim that there is no problem.

HAMMERHEAD 10-02-2012 18:28

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Originally Posted by Kentguy (Post 19478333)

Yup, them's the ones.

They are soft, so they're not for velocities over 1,000 fps.

In general you want a lead bullet equal to to your groove diameter or .001" larger. Softer bullets for low pressures/velocities, harder bullets for higher pressures/velocities.

I like to target shoot at 50 yards and beyond with my .357's so for me it's all about accuracy, price is secondary.

My main load is the Hornady 158 LSWC over 5 grains of Universal. My light load is the Hornady 140 LFP over 3.5 grains Clays.

Birdbob 10-02-2012 19:49

I have been shooting lead bullets in my 17, 26, and 21 for some time now with no issues at all...after 2-3 hundred the stock barrels look dirty but after a dozen strokes of the bronze brush and Shooters Choice lead remover followed by a clean patch,,spotless clean barrels...no problem...My bullets are from Renegade bullets in Boerne, TX...830-446-2123...$35 for 500 .45's...

Smoker 10-02-2012 20:07

Missouri bullets in my 357 mag & sig both work fine for me..


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