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Ramjet-SS 10-04-2012 18:08

200 Grain WFNGC Double Tap bullets
 
Hello everyone i wanted to share my experience with DOuble Tap 200 Grain WFGC lead bullets in my LW6" Compensated Glock.

I extrapolated some data and came up with a load of 7.8 Grains of Longshot over a Federal Match Large Pistol Magnum primer. Top that off with Double Tap 200 grain hard cast WFNGC bullet. New Starline brass.

My goal was to develop a good medium velocity accurate load for my Glock for the taking of deer at distances of 75 yards and under but most likely 50 yards and under.

I am not going to guess the velocity but will get a Chrono to measure next week and report velocity at that time.

The recoil was low the accuracy was outstanding and not one FTF out of 50 rounds. No leading but to be expected with gas checked bullets.

So any thoughts?

_The_Shadow 10-04-2012 21:48

Sounds like a good medium load. I have read others taking them higher with that powder.
Good Luck! :)

Taterhead 10-04-2012 22:27

Sounds like you are on the right track. I have had good results with that bullet and 800-X. Better results with Accurate no. 9. Carefully working up a load of A9 gets good performance at 1205 fps from my stock G20 barrel. I used a CCI 350 for the A9 load. I can't say that I can share any Longshot first hand experience with that particular bullet though. Glad to hear that they bullet is feeding well in your LW barrel.

This bullet is my favorite for wilderness carry.

Meathead9 10-04-2012 23:50

Here's my data, Copied & Pasted from the Hodgdon Powder sticky:


Hodgdon Longshot
DT 200gr WFNGC
Starline Brass
CCI300 Primers
1.255 OAL
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
88* F, Sea Level

8.0gr:
1210
1235
1228
1236
1242
Average: 1230
ES: 32

8.2gr:
1244
1246
1250
1250
1247
Average: 1247
ES: 6

8.4gr:
1217
1243
1254
1246
1262
Average: 1244
ES: 45

I am really happy with the consistency of the 8.2gr load, which is Hodgdon's listed max. I have 2k WLP's on the way, and I may pick up some CCI350's to see if that will help kick up my velocities. With a 1247fps average for a 200gr bullet, there's nothing really to complain about. But as always, I want more...

I am pretty happy that 8.2gr of Longshot load beats DT's factory loaded 200gr WFNGC's out of my gun. Here's what DT's ammo did out of my G20L the same day:

1199, 1220, 1173, 1227, 1216
Average: 1207
ES: 54

Meathead9 10-04-2012 23:53

More:


Here's some more Longshot data, this time with Mag Primers.

Hodgdon Longshot
DT 200gr WFNGC
Starline Brass
CCI350 Primers
1.26 OAL
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
85* F, Sea Level

8.0gr Longshot/CCI350:
1247
1238
1245
1239
1230
Ave: 1240
ES: 17

8.2gr Longshot/CCI350
1262
1249
1229
1250
1255
Ave: 1249
ES: 33

8.4gr Longshot/CCI350
1243
1285
1250
1267
1278
Ave: 1264
ES: 42

Primers are starting to look more flat, but I think there's still room to grow. I'm still hoping I can average 1300fps with the 200gr WFNGC's out of my G20L with good precision.

BlueGuitar 10-05-2012 04:51

I loaded up several batches of 200 and 230gr WFNGC bullets I purchased from DT. I would have to look up my load data and chrono results but I could never quite get it right. I tested them thru gen3 G20 with a KKM barrel. I tried various OAL's and could
not get them to feed. I even spoke with McNett several times on the load development but could never beat the feed issues. Was gonna be my bear load.

nickE10mm 10-05-2012 10:04

I have some data for you but busy right now at work...

nickE10mm 10-05-2012 17:23

Okay, my handloaded 200gr WFNGC from my 6" Fusion longslide:

8.3gr LS, CCI300 primer, 1.250" = 1256fps average

They tend to run faster than the 200gr XTP's do with the same charge (and with slightly lower pressure due to the shorter bullet length).

the 200gr XTP data: (over-book, do YOUR OWN workups please)

8.5gr LS 1253fps average
8.8ggr LS 1241fps average
9.0gr LS 1292fps average
9.2gr LS 1308fps average
9.4gr LS 1325fps average

I think that your WFNGC would be DEVASTATING on deer in the 1200-1275fps range... no need to push as high as I've gone here (with the XTP)... I am just showing you for reference. In fact, I think 8.2gr is a FINE load for deer.

Ramjet-SS 10-05-2012 21:56

Interesting to me the LS with or without Mag primers the velocities look about the same. I figure I was about 1150 FPS with the above load. I shot another 50 rounds today feeding was great accuracy out to 40 yards was outstanding. Recoil mild and with long slide and comp is was like shooting a 38 special. Thanks for feedback now get the mold off the buy here and start casting and loading up 500+ rounds. Deer hunting in November with two tags to fill hopefully the 10mm will bark.

nickE10mm 10-06-2012 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramjet-SS (Post 19489717)
Interesting to me the LS with or without Mag primers the velocities look about the same. I figure I was about 1150 FPS with the above load. I shot another 50 rounds today feeding was great accuracy out to 40 yards was outstanding. Recoil mild and with long slide and comp is was like shooting a 38 special. Thanks for feedback now get the mold off the buy here and start casting and loading up 500+ rounds. Deer hunting in November with two tags to fill hopefully the 10mm will bark.

Good luck, buddy! I'll be out there with my 10's, as well!

Ramjet-SS 10-06-2012 15:29

Yes I think I will work my way up to 8.3 grains of LS and see how the accuracy is if good that will,settle it.

nickE10mm 10-06-2012 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramjet-SS (Post 19491539)
Yes I think I will work my way up to 8.3 grains of LS and see how the accuracy is if good that will,settle it.

Smart man. 8.3gr is a safe and powerful loading without being excessive, at least in my firearms (which includes my stock G29SF, , KKM'd G20SF and Fusion)

Ramjet-SS 10-06-2012 17:04

Yea that Fusion has me drooling but my Glock is setup well LW longslide and threaded 6" barrel with LW compensator a polymer scope mount with a Burris FF bolted to it . This week I will make belt slide cross draw holster from 9oz leather to accommodate the scope mount and Burris. I absolutely love getting ready for deer hunting.

nickE10mm 10-07-2012 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramjet-SS (Post 19491856)
Yea that Fusion has me drooling but my Glock is setup well LW longslide and threaded 6" barrel with LW compensator a polymer scope mount with a Burris FF bolted to it . This week I will make belt slide cross draw holster from 9oz leather to accommodate the scope mount and Burris. I absolutely love getting ready for deer hunting.

ME TOO!

I'm gonna post up my range outing today with the longslide... did some 25, 50 and 100y shooting ...

ModGlock17 12-13-2012 08:25

HAve you found any evidence of lead fouling after shooting this WFNGC?

I observed patches and streaks. Thinking those may be the wax lubrication, I tried cotton patches of Acetone which dissolves wax. I ran bore snake about 20 times, then ran Acetone again. Most was gone, but a couple of streak & patch between the lands. KKM 6".

Going to try bore cleaner solution when I get home.

Just curious what you guys see.

_The_Shadow 12-13-2012 09:29

During a ammo test secession recently my last round of the test was the Underwood 220 grain, this bullet measured 0.4010" as pulled before the testing and had a full lube groove of what ever red lube was being used by his supplier.

Being the last round and only cast bullet shot, I had plenty of leading in the barrel of my S&W1006 and it was tough to remove...

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 220gr Hard Cast
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 703 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7360"/Dia. 0.401"/Meplat 0.280": Hard Cast 220gr. HC actual weight 219.0 grains top band 0.1800"/bottom band 0.2200"/lube groove 0.1500"/nose 0.2250" (doesn't add up exact nose profile?)
C.O.A.L.: 1.2520"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4215" Crimp Diameter 0.4220" Length 0.9865"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: IMR800X 8.4 grains
Tested 11/29/2012 Underwood 220 Gr. Hard Cast WFN 1209 fps : Diameter 0.4285" primer moderately flatten, case didn't eject. 12/01/2012 barrel inspected and cleaned plenty leading to remove, maybe not enough lube or the type of lube.

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...w/IMG_0175.jpg

Ethereal Killer 12-13-2012 11:06

have you guys found the gas check to reduce fouling in high pressure loads?

ModGlock17 12-13-2012 13:10

If you buy just bullets, the wax is pasted into the groove. However, during shipping & handling process, some bullets had only 1/4 of the wax ring left. I was tempted to patch a little Frog lube paste in there.

In any case, I shot only five rounds of WFNGC and saw the fouling. Bore cleaner did work well. Not having any experience in this area, I was surprised to find that much fouling in just a few shots.

Did I read it correctly? Shadow shot only one round and had much fouling?

Also, have anyone bought bullets from these folks: http://www.heavymetalbullets.com/ ?

BTW. Shadow, I appreciate you taking the time to document things so well, every time !


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