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B.Reid 10-08-2012 10:19

Civil War?
 
Very interesting.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10...ive-civil-war/

cowboy1964 10-08-2012 12:54

there is no domestic terrorist threat and no conceiveable natural disaster could possibly justify this dramatic authorization for coping with staggering numbers of bodies.

Um, how about foreign domestic threats with nukes, bio, or chemical weapons? Hello.

AK_Stick 10-08-2012 13:16

what a paranoid, and delusional article.

pugman 10-08-2012 13:28

The joke is on them...they bought 1.5 billion rounds of a pistol caliber round; sure it can be used in carbines...but still.

mac66 10-08-2012 13:39

I stopped reading after the "300 Fema Camps" delusion.

bdcochran 10-08-2012 15:17

Fema camps and so forth
 
Once upon a time, dealing with natural disasters were a responsibility of local government and state government. No longer accurate.

Every year there are hurricanes and floods. Every year people are warned to be prepared, don't build in flood plains, and evacuate early. So, every year there are traffic jams of fleeing people. Just where are they all supposed to go? Motel 6?

Consequently, if FEMA doesn't have supplies, mobile homes for loan, and piles of equipment, it has failed, right?

Places like Israel and Switzerland have spent the money on air raid shelters, food stockpiles, and gas masks while your local, state and federal have spent their money on uplifting pre-school programs, Obama phones, and food stamps. So, you had better some open air camps in case of a nuclear attack or a natural disaster.

Can you change a school house into a prison? Can a mosque be made into a weapons factory? Can you use a steeple for sniping? Can a bunch of people be rounded up and shot in a home basement in Damascus? Can an open pit be turned into an outdoor prisoner of war camp for Soviet prisoners - without a toilet or building (and I saw the video of this being done at the beginning of WW2 to prisoners)? The answer is "yes". So, the existence or non existence of a building doesn't lead to a conclusion as to how it is intended to be used.

Where in the hell are the signed memoranda by government officials that these structures are specifically being maintained or constructed to contain Americans in a Civil War coming in the next year? No, those memoranda will never be produced. No, all that will happen is that web sites will filled with super looking blogs with no documentation.

Newcop761 10-08-2012 15:27

The author is nuts.

That said the haves and the have-nots will eventually fight it out.

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mac66 10-08-2012 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdcochran (Post 19497717)
Once upon a time, dealing with natural disasters were a responsibility of local government and state government. No longer accurate.

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Actually it was the other way around. Disasters were traditionally the province of FEMA. After 9/11/2001 Bush mandated a National Response Plan that started coordinating with state, regional and local governments. They pushed a heck of a lot of money and training down the pipe to ensure that states and locals were preparing for themselves and not relying on the FEDs for everything. Essentially they decentralized emergency management which makes the "fema camp" thing such a laugh.

Decentralization doesn't work well when the states/locals drop the ball like they did in New Orleans during Katrina. However, this reinforced the mandate for even more decentralization.

They really started pushing it around 2003. I know this because I was a Public Safety Director and had Emergency Management dumped on me as well. I worked with state and local EM guys along with FEMA guys as they started pushing the money and training into the states. I got just about every EM certification you can get through FEMA and eventually I even taught ICS (Incident Command System) and CIMS (Critical Incident Management System) on contract from Homeland Security.

TactiCool 10-08-2012 17:54

Quote:

by Paul Joseph Watson and Alexander Higgins (with Jim Fetzer)
Yep. That says everything I needed to read. From an Infowars writer, I'm not at all suprised.

Newcop761 10-08-2012 19:37

Infowars. That would have saved me a minute.

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ray9898 10-08-2012 21:08

LOL...some people will believe anything.

SGT HATRED 10-08-2012 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newcop761 (Post 19497752)
The author is nuts.

That said the haves and the have-nots will eventually fight it out.

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Agreed

bdcochran 10-08-2012 21:23

Clarification
 
Mac66: The clarification is that I am older than you. I remember disasters before FEMA was created. Technically, you can trace it back to a congressional act of 1803. The reality, as I was growing up, was that local and state took care of problems unless it was a problem with the Mississippi River.

Executive Order 12127 signed by Carter consolidated the activities of 100 departments into FEMA.

This is for the alarmists who believe everything that they read on the internet: humans are capable of great depravity without FEMA camps. One Soviet executed over 23,000 Polish military officers and doctors with head shots. Over 1000 prisoners allegedly killed by Libyan security forces in Abu Salim Prison in 1996. And, you don't need a FEMA prison if you just kill everyone in town like Lidice, Czechoslovakia. Over just throw people down caverns as done by the Yugoslovians to Italians in the Trieste area after WW2.

OP - please list each and every FEMA camp location, the date of construction, and the present usage.

Syclone538 10-08-2012 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac66 (Post 19497891)
Actually it was the other way around. Disasters were traditionally the province of FEMA. ...

Wiki says fema was created in 1978 or '79.

lawman800 10-09-2012 02:13

Fight!

bdcochran 10-09-2012 04:57

I forgot to mention
 
I bought a website name for five years. I even had a professional sales group put up a professional looking website for free for a year - and then didn't resubscribe.

Anyone can put up a professional looking "news" website at a small cost.

Nonetheless, people get sucked in. It is your personal responsibility to observe whether a news source documents the source of information or simply attributes it to highly reliable sources/anonymous sources/unauthorized to speak sources/high administration sources and/or people without names.

Even at that the NY Times can have a reporter simply make up stories or plagiarize news accounts from other newspapers.

Some of the self described news websites and blogs are run by people with political agendas and who have no idea of facts or truth (how shocking!):shocked:

quake 10-09-2012 06:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdcochran (Post 19499094)
...I remember disasters before FEMA was created...

This. So many of our "old institutions" are new things. Not just fema & homeland security, but the depts of energy, education, HUD, transportation, the VA; all within my lifetime, and those are almost certainly not the only ones. All entirely new agencies/departments that we somehow survived without for the first couple centuries, but now are sacred cows to be revered and perpetually grown.

When Perry talked about eliminating the depts of education and energy, people (including people I'm related to) were shocked, as they see these as some kind of long-standing bastions that our country is built on. Fact is, they're new - and according to their own charters, failed - bureaucracies.

Bilbo Bagins 10-09-2012 07:14

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UneasyRider 10-09-2012 07:52

I am a self reliant man at heart. That said, if the government takes over the country by force... long live the government!

The communist party members lived pretty well as I recall. A true survivalist?

lawman800 10-09-2012 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by UneasyRider (Post 19500046)
I am a self reliant man at heart. That said, if the government takes over the country by force... long live the government!

The communist party members lived pretty well as I recall. A true survivalist?

Those on the inside of the system lived like kings in a socialist or communist system. It's the people that suffered.


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