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adamsoa 11-29-2012 22:12

New Glock 20
 
I just purchased my first Glock and I'm now addicted. I bought a Glock 20. I've been shooting quite a bit and I'm having a blast. My reloading dies should be here Monday and I have a bit of brass to work with.

I have a few questions I hope that you can help me with.

I would like to get a 6 inch barrel. I use this gun for the my primary carry but I will also hunt with it.
I have been looking at a lone wolf barrel, they seem like they are pretty good.

I would also would like to add a good red dot sight. Maybe a Trijicon RMR Sight--or another similar sight. I want to have a slide milled to accept the site. I've looked at one source tactical to get one not sure if anyone else does the modifications.

I appreciate any suggestions and I'm excited to learn more.

Andy


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jimsmith1941 11-30-2012 05:15

Be aware that you may not be able to shoot lead from a L/W barrel.

I bought one about 2 yrs ago as I had a "wild hair" to buy a long slide from them.

I never did and tried recently to shoot some lead reloads but they would not chamber ( would chamber in my 1006 as well as my 610 which is a lot "tighter" than my1006 ).

I have seen where other people have had the same problem and have sent it back to L/W. When I called L/W, they wanted $30.00 + some "dummy" reloads so they could open the barrel + about another $3.00 for return shipping.

With fmj, the barrel is accurate and seems to be more accurate that the stock barrel in my 20.

I have also read that the barrels are manuf outside the US but do not know if this is true. Also, the chamber support @ the ramp appears to be not as tight on current barrels as with old ones.

If I had it to do over again, I would look at other barrels such as KKM storm lake or ect.

If you want a sight devoted to the 10mm, you would be flooded with responses to this - !0mm-firearms.com

Just my 2 cents worth.

Hope you enjoy your 20.

SJ 40 11-30-2012 06:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimsmith1941 (Post 19684233)
Be aware that you may not be able to shoot lead from a L/W barrel.

I bought one about 2 yrs ago as I had a "wild hair" to buy a long slide from them.

I never did and tried recently to shoot some lead reloads but they would not chamber ( would chamber in my 1006 as well as my 610 which is a lot "tighter" than my1006 ).

I have seen where other people have had the same problem and have sent it back to L/W. When I called L/W, they wanted $30.00 + some "dummy" reloads so they could open the barrel + about another $3.00 for return shipping.

With fmj, the barrel is accurate and seems to be more accurate that the stock barrel in my 20.

I have also read that the barrels are manuf outside the US but do not know if this is true. Also, the chamber support @ the ramp appears to be not as tight on current barrels as with old ones.

If I had it to do over again, I would look at other barrels such as KKM storm lake or ect.

If you want a sight devoted to the 10mm, you would be flooded with responses to this - !0mm-firearms.com

Just my 2 cents worth.

Hope you enjoy your 20.

As Jim Smith indicates with LWD barrels you may want to read this thread.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1414663

It is quite long,18 or something pages but it should give you a flavor of the problem and attitude of the company,too aid in your decision. SJ 40

ModGlock17 11-30-2012 07:03

I had a LWD 6". All sort of ejection, chambering problems. Simply unreliable.

I now have a KKM 6". Awesome! Fully reliable for thousands of rounds.

The best for some people to learn is to make mistake on their own. I did.

Like SJ indicated, there has been tons of postings on this issue the last 2-3 yrs. Take time and read them through, would be my suggestion.

edporch 11-30-2012 11:38

I bought a Storm Lake 6.02" barrel for my Glock 20 in October.
I'm happy with it, and would suggest that you not rule them out.

My reasons for buying it were:
1. Better chamber support
2. Tighter tolerances for potentially better accuracy
3. Increased muzzle velocity with off the shelf ammo, as well as getting the most out of doing my own loads.

-The improved chamber support was obvious right out of the box when I dropped a cartridge into the chamber.
Especially in the area where the ramp transitions into the chamber, and also in how much less "slop" in the chamber.

-The Storm Lake barrel has measurably tighter tolerances in how it fits into the slide.
I found this when I took measurements from both barrels.

-Before buying, I had seen videos of chronoed range tests that convinced me of increased muzzle velocity and accuracy from the Storm lake barrel vs the stock barrel.

-Out of the box:
The barrel was physically a drop in fit.

Function wise, it would sometimes jam with a cartridge half way chambered.

It also threw the brass much harder, which indicated to me the longer barrel was increasing the muzzle velocity.

-Minor Tweaks for reliable function:

1. Polished the ramp and chamber a little.

2. SLIGHTLY rounded the sharp edge where the ramp transitioned into the chamber.

3. Replaced the stock guide rod and spring with a ISMI Stainless Captured Guide Rod with a 22 pound spring.

It NOW works flawlessly, with the best chamber support I can get, has increased muzzle velocity, and drops the spent brass close to me.

I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER!

-Additionally:
I polished the barrel to a semi-mirror finish, and did a little polishing to the sides of the outside of the chamber area..

This was suggested by another forum member to reduce wear and give better smoothness of operation.

arushus 11-30-2012 18:05

Not entirely positive but I do believe that opticsplanet.com sells the burris fastfire III with a mount specifically for a Glock.

blastfact 11-30-2012 19:19

I have a LW 5.15" barrel in my Gen3 G20. And it's fantastic! My pistol has never shot one round with it's OEM barrel.

But I did detail the LW before I shot it. I polished the feed ramp and put a fast lap on the chamber and barrel. I broke the pistol in on some full house 10mm I had loaded up years ago for my early,,, worthless,,, can't wait to break and go home DE. I had two jam's in the first mag. And nothing since. It should have been a option from Glock IMHO. And the brass. It always looks great!

My 5.15" LW is great. After it proved to me it was for real. I polished the barrel and chamber a tad on the outside. Damn G20 has some bling.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/g202.jpg

I can't weight to buy a LW 6" tube for my pistol. :)

nickE10mm 11-30-2012 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by arushus (Post 19686538)
Not entirely positive but I do believe that opticsplanet.com sells the burris fastfire III with a mount specifically for a Glock.

Ive read that the Burris FF mounts "say" they are for "all models" but that apparently doesn't include large frame Glocks...

JimIsland 11-30-2012 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastfact (Post 19686801)
I have a LW 5.15" barrel in my Gen3 G20. And it's fantastic! My pistol has never shot one round with it's OEM barrel.

But I did detail the LW before I shot it. I polished the feed ramp and put a fast lap on the chamber and barrel. I broke the pistol in on some full house 10mm I had loaded up years ago for my early,,, worthless,,, can't wait to break and go home DE. I had two jam's in the first mag. And nothing since. It should have been a option from Glock IMHO. And the brass. It always looks great!

My 5.15" LW is great. After it proved to me it was for real. I polished the barrel and chamber a tad on the outside. Damn G20 has some bling.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/638/medium/g202.jpg

I can't weight to buy a LW 6" tube for my pistol. :)

"fast lap, polish this, polish that....screw that. I want to drop a barrel in and shoot my gun. Yes, I have one in my G20 and it sux and no I'm not going to call them and ask them to "fix it". I'm throwing it in the trash and starting over. Glad yours worked for you.

JimIsland 11-30-2012 22:43

Sorry OP, got side tracked.......What Gen do you have? Personally if it's a Gen 3, I would leave it alone and shoot it. After shooting some stout stuff, look at your casings.

If you have a Gen 2 as I do, the stock barrel lacks enough support to shoot "hot" 10mm ammo.

adamsoa 12-01-2012 09:03

Its a gen 4. I wanted to look for a 6 inch barrel for hunting purposes though. I appreciate all of the comments so far. Thank you!

JimIsland 12-01-2012 09:17

Gen 4 you are good to go. You can shoot anything you want with confidence. Where did you find a Gen 4? Nice find!!!

blastfact 12-01-2012 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimIsland (Post 19687396)
"fast lap, polish this, polish that....screw that. I want to drop a barrel in and shoot my gun. Yes, I have one in my G20 and it sux and no I'm not going to call them and ask them to "fix it". I'm throwing it in the trash and starting over. Glad yours worked for you.

I will pay for shipping if you will send it to me. :)

RYT 2BER 12-01-2012 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimIsland (Post 19687396)
"fast lap, polish this, polish that....screw that. I want to drop a barrel in and shoot my gun. Yes, I have one in my G20 and it sux and no I'm not going to call them and ask them to "fix it". I'm throwing it in the trash and starting over. Glad yours worked for you.

I dunno which it is.. Based on the bold type above are you

A) lying
B) stupid
C) both

(Nobody just throws a $100+ barrel in the garbage)

:shakehead:

nickE10mm 12-01-2012 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYT 2BER (Post 19689198)
I dunno which it is.. Based on the bold type above are you

A) lying
B) stupid
C) both

(Nobody just throws a $100+ barrel in the garbage)

:shakehead:

He probably means he just sold it off as opposed to working with it

bac1023 12-08-2012 18:20

:welcome: and congrats on the G20.

blastfact 12-11-2012 16:04

JimIsland

I may be anal about my firearms. I was taught as a child to slug out a barrel and pour a chamber cast with Cerrosafe. Be it a new barrel, new pistol, rifle or shot gun. I want to know exactly what I have. Then detail what I want too. You would be surprised how many bad barrels ship with new guns. And even more surprised how many barrels are just a hour away from being match grade.

I will still pay shipping for your junk LWB.

JimIsland 12-11-2012 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastfact (Post 19724553)
JimIsland

I may be anal about my firearms. I was taught as a child to slug out a barrel and pour a chamber cast with Cerrosafe. Be it a new barrel, new pistol, rifle or shot gun. I want to know exactly what I have. Then detail what I want too. You would be surprised how many bad barrels ship with new guns. And even more surprised how many barrels are just a hour away from being match grade.

I will still pay shipping for your junk LWB.

Sorry...I got very frustrated when I took it to the range for the first time and couldn't get 6 rounds through it without a FTF. Mind you this G20 has a gazillion rounds through it and maybe had 2 or 3 FTF's. I also take very good care of all my firearms and don't feel you should have to tinker with an expensive barrel to run right. Other company's have drop in barrels that run properly so it isn't asking much IMO. No biggie...I'll buy a KKM or new Glock barrel and move on.

Jay/g20 12-11-2012 21:59

Congrats on the G20 gen4. My first Glock was a G20 gen3 . I came here with the very same question on which drop-in barrel to purchase, or do I even really need one. I read every comment and boy the guys here made my decision on a barrel tough. Lonewolf, Bar-sto, StormLake, KKM Precision and the original factory barrel. The only way for me to make a educated decision was to call all the places listed above except for Glock. Well they all were great people but one just stuck out and appealed to me. KKM Precision 6" drop-in. I called KKM and spoke with Kevin and he took the time to explain their product. I will say KKM talks the talk and walks the walk. I have ran this barrel for a year now and I couldn't be any happier. Just to say I returned to KKM for a G35 drop-in and put it in a new gen4 G35. I hope I have this right but I believe I spoke with Luke. I have ran this barrel for 2 weeks now and I love it. Both barrels have ran Nosler,PowerBond, Hornady xtp, Winchester,Berry's. It doesn't matter what you put in the pipe KKM runs with it. Take your time and do listen to all the good people in here,weight it out and make an informed decision, make some calls to get answers from the people that make the product.
p.s. I will be watching this thread ...cause I've been peeking at the Red Dot sights...I just don't know what to think....

JimIsland 12-12-2012 09:47

Jay, that's awesome. I've read great things about the KKM as well. If my G20 wasn't a Gen2 with a barrel that lacks chamber support, I would probably leave it alone. Check out the XS Big dot night sights. They work great on a G20 for me and contrary to what some believe, they are fairly accurate when plinking as well. They get on target QUICK!

pasky2112 12-12-2012 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamsoa (Post 19683774)
I just purchased my first Glock and I'm now addicted. I bought a Glock 20. I've been shooting quite a bit and I'm having a blast. My reloading dies should be here Monday and I have a bit of brass to work with.

I have a few questions I hope that you can help me with.

I would like to get a 6 inch barrel. I use this gun for the my primary carry but I will also hunt with it.
I have been looking at a lone wolf barrel, they seem like they are pretty good.

I would also would like to add a good red dot sight. Maybe a Trijicon RMR Sight--or another similar sight. I want to have a slide milled to accept the site. I've looked at one source tactical to get one not sure if anyone else does the modifications.

I appreciate any suggestions and I'm excited to learn more.

Andy


Sent from my SCH-R760 using Tapatalk 2

I don't own a Glock that doesn't have a KKM bbl for it. Great chambers, drop in fit, accurate, IMO stronger (but that's subjective). They even seem to clean up more easily from fouling. When I got my G20 Gen3, I shot some UW 180g XTP's that cases bulged to the point I wouldn't reload them. I bought a KKM 4.6" and shot the same loads out of the same box and no bulges. They reloaded fine, as well. So that was good enough for me and why i always recommend them... esp when you shoot lead or hot/max loads. Congrats on your G20 Gen4, BTW!

Jay/g20 12-12-2012 20:32

Thanks JimIsland, for the last hour now I've been checking out the XS Sights.....interesting!
Man what a selling point to have all the necessary equipment in the package for installation.
I'm not going to let you off easy though...lol... just a question or 2 from someone that uses this product.
1.) Are they rugged....steel or plastic front sight?
2.) As practice and just to keep the edge. I start off at 65 yrds. and walk or run & gun up to 10 yrds., run ,walk ,stop,steady, and shoot. Shooting at a 10" round AR500 steel plate, will this sight obscure the target at long range. I guess a better way to ask the question. Can you hit a milk jug sized target at 50 yrds or further? I'm not being a smart-A-- , I would just like to know the limits of the sight.
I want to thank-you again for your time and help.

arushus 12-12-2012 21:38

I run XS big dots on my g20sf, and the fact that they came with everytjing I needed to install them myself is what pushed me over the edge of buying them. They are metal, not sure if they are steel or aluminum, I wanna say steel. The front sight is big, so yes it will cover more of the target than other sights at distance. You can still be accurate with it though. Keep in mind that big dots arent for longer distance shooting, 25 yards and in mostly. There is a video on youtube of james yeager hitting targets at 100 yards. So Im not saying it cant be done, just that they excel at closer distances. You pull your gun and put it in front of your face to aim in a high stress situation, and all you have to do is put that nice big white dot on target and pull the trigger, and youre going to hit what youre aiming at. To answer your question though, I regularly hit soup cans at 25 yards without missing. So to extrapolate, I would say yes, hitting milk jugs at fifty should be pretty easy!
BTW, expired soup in cans is an awesome target for 10mm! They explode as though there was C4 on the inside of the can!

JimIsland 12-13-2012 20:37

Jay, Arushus knows the 10mm platform well and he's the one that turned me on to them. Personally, I have never shot with mine out past 25 yards but at that distance I have no issues. The Big Dot will cover up your target center out far but with some practice I can group them up pretty good. Everyone is different but I hardly use the rear sight and pretty much put that Big Dot on what I'm aiming at and shoot. Usually ends up were it's suppose to!! Also, I have probably put a couple thousand rounds since adding the XS sights and they are fine.


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