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gofastman 12-03-2012 21:06

I want a new comp, opinions wanted
 
my LWD comp is quite disappointing, not nearly as much reduction in muzzle flip as I hoped for.

Im trying to decide between the Carver 10 port and the SJC 11 port comp

Im leaning toward the Carver one for no real reason, does anyone have experience with both units?

oceanbob 12-03-2012 21:21

In my opinion, Comps don't really work that well except to add a blinding flash of burning powder in your eyes when night shooting...

A waste of money. Run your weapon with a normal or extended barrel. No ports or comps needed.


Sure, they look COOL, but that's about it.

JMO

gofastman 12-03-2012 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by oceanbob (Post 19697489)
In my opinion, Comps don't really work that well except to add a blinding flash of burning powder in your eyes when night shooting...

A waste of money. Run your weapon with a normal or extended barrel. No ports or comps needed.


Sure, they look COOL, but that's about it.

JMO

compensators work great :dunno:
I wish all my guns had comps

its just the LWD model is more geared toward recoil reduction rather than muzzle flip reduction

_The_Shadow 12-04-2012 11:04

The Carver looks to be shorter more compact, but it bleeds a lot off to the sides...
The SJC is longer and doesn't bleed as much energy to the sides till the end of the comp.

Personally I don't use comps, but they are helpful for competition shooters in some situations to keep muzzle clme down. The comps also add more noise near the shooter and bystanders and yes the flash exits those ports too!

gofastman 12-04-2012 21:55

Quote:

The Carver looks to be shorter more compact, but it bleeds a lot off to the sides...
The SJC is longer and doesn't bleed as much energy to the sides till the end of the comp.

sounds like the SJC may be more to my liking in this case.

BTW I think the picture in my above link is of their 7 port modle,
this is the 11 port:
http://stores.sjcguns.com/catalog/DSC00240%20(2).JPG

Any Cal. 12-05-2012 01:10

I have the Carver you are looking at, haven't played with the SJC. I think half the issue is the threads they use, I think the SJC uses KKM threads, the Carver uses LW.

Here is a sideways vid of the Carver, shooting some loads that aren't tailored to it. I'll add some more info in a bit.


The loads in the vid are 230s @ 1130ish, loaded w/ Longshot. If they were #9 and a lighter bullet, it would be noticeably flatter. They are pushing back quite a bit, you can see on the last several rounds I get pushed off balance some. My stance wasn't very aggressive, but I was lined up decent behind the gun.

Try not to be blinded by all that flash...:upeyes:

The Jaeger is the same size as the Carver, but uses only holes that face up, FWIW. I think his uses LW threads.

If you are interested in the Carver, I will make you a deal on mine, I don't use it as much since I quit using 10mm brass. Truth be told, I was expecting a larger difference as well, but then, I am not using powders or loads that work the comp very well either. It is a noticeable difference after shooting without it for a while to put it on, the gun shoots a lot faster and with a lot less muzzle rise and torque. For me, the size is the biggest turn-off, I prefer the gun without the extra hanging out the end.

The SJC would probably shoot flatter, since it is longer, has more ports, and is most likely heavier, or at least has more weight hanging out front. To really do it right though, I think you probably need to lighten the slide and your recoil spring, and tailor your loads to the comp and keep them at a fairly low power factor to get anything approaching flat.

I seriously doubt the holes to the side matter much, especially if they aren't in the first port and are smaller, vs. the larger ones on the LW. They aren't doing a whole lot in the first place, so it isn't like they are taking much away from the other ports, and if they weren't there, they would only allow a small amount of extra gas to hit a port farther down the line, which isn't doing that much either.

Some of the gun games forums have a lot of info on comps as well, but it is a lot like asking which powder is best for 10mm, or which barrel, or which gun... :D

G29SFWTF 12-05-2012 07:55

I bought a used comp from the classifieds here for a Glock 19. It's sold as a unit with the KKM barrel. It looks like a carver but I don't know if it is. Muzzle flip is noticeably reduced.

blackgun556 12-05-2012 20:33

the kkm works just as well as the carver if not better and it is smaller

gofastman 12-06-2012 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackgun556 (Post 19704728)
the kkm works just as well as the carver if not better and it is smaller

have you used both?



The SJC comp is out,it threaded in 9/16 32TPI only :crying:

blackgun556 12-06-2012 20:33

I have a LW barrel with the carver and the kkm barrel and comp. I like the kkm better. smaller and works better. I have 2 g20 and the one always gets left behind.

http://www.kkmprecision.com/custom_p...&cat=16&page=1

Any Cal. 12-06-2012 21:20

Is the kkm the steel one or aluminum? What load do you shoot through them?

ModGlock17 12-07-2012 10:01

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Originally Posted by Any Cal. (Post 19701808)
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Try not to be blinded by all that flash...:upeyes:

. ... :D

Hi-cap magazines don't turn out to be all that useful if you're blinded by the flash and BDot powder.


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire

gofastman 12-07-2012 16:34

With the Carver, do you think I could plug up 1 or 2 (pairs) of the side ports with epoxy to get more gas out the top and reduce muzzle flip?

ModGlock17 12-07-2012 19:14

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Originally Posted by gofastman (Post 19710686)
With the Carver, do you think I could plug up 1 or 2 (pairs) of the side ports with epoxy to get more gas out the top and reduce muzzle flip?

I build my own golf clubs... etc. Club heads are epoxied onto the shafts. To remove them, I heat them up. At Hi-temp, epoxy decomposes to fine dust... Even JB Weld is part epoxy.

gofastman 12-07-2012 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModGlock17 (Post 19711183)
I build my own golf clubs... etc. Club heads are epoxied onto the shafts. To remove them, I heat them up. At Hi-temp, epoxy decomposes to fine dust... Even JB Weld is part epoxy.

How about exhaust system repair cement?

_The_Shadow 12-07-2012 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastman (Post 19710686)
With the Carver, do you think I could plug up 1 or 2 (pairs) of the side ports with epoxy to get more gas out the top and reduce muzzle flip?


BAD IDEA! plugs could get blown out when unexpected and strike bystatnders! :wow:

Any Cal. 12-07-2012 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastman (Post 19711373)
How about exhaust system repair cement?

I would tap it for machine screws or set-screws and Loc-Tite them in, if I had to block off those wimpy little ports that weren't hurting anything...:supergrin:

gofastman 12-27-2012 20:38

man, this Carver comp is a BIG upgrade from the LWD one!

The thing shoots FLAT! also the brass stays a lot closer, the Carver+ stock spring throws brass as far as the LWD+ ISMI 24lb spring


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