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beforeobamabans 12-11-2012 15:16

Your favorite shotgun HD load
 
Many say the shotgun is the best home defense weapon, what load do you choose for HD and why?

countrygun 12-11-2012 15:21

Federal managed recoil flight control 00 buck.

Prints the tightest no flyer groups in most of my shotguns.

Roering 12-11-2012 15:22

Dragon's breath.

M 7 12-11-2012 15:31

I like the Federal 12 gauge 2 3/4" 00 Buckshot (12 pellets @ 1290fps) and keep it loaded in my 870.

According to the Schwartz bullet penetration model, it should be good for 21.15 inches of penetration and permanently crush a total of 6.49 ounces of soft tissue.

glockfan2327 12-11-2012 16:19

hORNADY TAP 00 BUCK 1600 FPS, AND FEDERAL 00 BUCK VITALSHOK

because make a nasty wood channel

fredj338 12-11-2012 16:30

SG actually have preferences like other guns. You should try a few diff loads & "pattern" them. I like the various low recoil #00 buck, but they all do not hit POA & some pattern tighter than others. Just for indoors, I like #4 buck. You get 27, 24 ca projectiles arriving enmass, coverng 6"-7" @ 21ft.
If the fight moves outdoors, then the #00 has an advantage. The heavier/larger pellets will have more momentum as the range increases & fewer will hit, so the larger pellets will provide greater tissue damage. The avg riot choked 12ga spreads roughly 1" per yard. So @ 30 yds, you'll be lucky to land half the shot charge on target.

beforeobamabans 12-11-2012 16:58

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Originally Posted by fredj338 (Post 19724432)
SG actually have preferences like other guns. You should try a few diff loads & "pattern" them. I like the various low recoil #00 buck, but they all do not hit POA & some pattern tighter than others. Just for indoors, I like #4 buck. You get 27, 24 ca projectiles arriving enmass, coverng 6"-7" @ 21ft.
If the fight moves outdoors, then the #00 has an advantage. The heavier/larger pellets will have more momentum as the range increases & fewer will hit, so the larger pellets will provide greater tissue damage. The avg riot choked 12ga spreads roughly 1" per yard. So @ 30 yds, you'll be lucky to land half the shot charge on target.

Great response, thanks Fred. I recently discovered my deceased father's 1967 Light 12 A5 and want to activate it as part of my HD arsenal. I will try a variety of loads as you suggest. I like the description of #4. I know the CW with autos is to stay away from low recoil loads but, I've shot this gun years ago and my memory is it kicking like a mule. I know this gun has two recoil setups (moving the friction ring to the opposite end of the recoil spring) so I'm hoping it will function reliably with a softer load. Any A5 veterans try this?

unit1069 12-11-2012 17:28

Before I lost my Mossberg in a boating accident it was loaded with #1 buckshot, which replaced the #4 buckshot it used to carry. With HD shotguns there's not the same concern with effectiveness as there sometimes is with handgun self-defense rounds. But every edge is just that --- an edge.

fredj338 12-11-2012 17:38

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Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19724646)
Before I lost my Mossberg in a boating accident it was loaded with #1 buckshot, which replaced the #4 buckshot it used to carry. With HD shotguns there's not the same concern with effectiveness as there sometimes is with handgun self-defense rounds. But every edge is just that --- an edge.

Reason I say pattern it, I tried two diff brands of non buffered #1 buck. Both pattern like crap in my 870 riot bbl. @ 10yds, lots holes in the pattern, w/ about half the shot missing. the 11x17 paper I use top pattern. All pellets should land center on that @ 10 steps. I am sure buffered shot would be better, but then it cost quite a bit more than most low recoil #00.:dunno: So #4 buck indoors, devastating w/o a huge concern for overpentration from pellets that may miss. Whatever you decide, stick to some size of buckshot, never birdshot.

Bren 12-11-2012 17:41

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 19724204)
Many say the shotgun is the best home defense weapon, what load do you choose for HD and why?

Any 0 or 00 buck. Because it's 0 or 00 buck.

jakebrake 12-11-2012 17:44

Federal 12 gauge 2 3/4" 00 Buckshot

i don't need 3 " magnums for home defense.

unit1069 12-11-2012 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredj338 (Post 19724688)
Reason I say pattern it, I tried two diff brands of non buffered #1 buck. Both pattern like crap in my 870 riot bbl. @ 10yds, lots holes in the pattern, w/ about half the shot missing. the 11x17 paper I use top pattern. All pellets should land center on that @ 10 steps. I am sure buffered shot would be better, but then it cost quite a bit more than most low recoil #00.:dunno: So #4 buck indoors, devastating w/o a huge concern for overpentration from pellets that may miss. Whatever you decide, stick to some size of buckshot, never birdshot.

I will take your advice, as you're one of the wisest GT members around. Just so happens I'm going with a friend on Friday to shoot his 1967 vintage Wingmaster he just bought for $300 so I'll take along some of my leftover shotgun ammo to test, just in case I ever buy another shotgun.

barth 12-11-2012 18:06

Bring the Pain
 
http://www.gandrtactical.com/PDGImages/LEB127RS.jpg

fredj338 12-11-2012 18:36

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Originally Posted by barth (Post 19724789)

You realize not much stops a 12ga slug, including the BG you hit with it. A very poor choice for anything but a backup round, like a guy wearing body armor? I carry two in my Speedstock holder, everything else is buckshot of some kind.

Providence 12-11-2012 18:44

Federal low recoil 8 pellet 00 buck.


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barth 12-11-2012 19:00

Heavy Artillery
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fredj338 (Post 19724880)
You realize not much stops a 12ga slug, including the BG you hit with it. A very poor choice for anything but a backup round, like a guy wearing body armor? I carry two in my Speedstock holder, everything else is buckshot of some kind.

After I've emptied my HK45C and two extended 10 round mags
of Winchester Ranger T-Series 230 gr +P 45 and the fight continues?

Then the gloves come off and it's slug time.

SDGlock23 12-11-2012 19:21

I like #1 and #4 buckshot the best. I have plenty of 00 but it's not my preferred choice.

backcast88 12-11-2012 19:27

2 3/4" Winchester #4 Buck out of a Benelli M2 with a Mod choke.

WinterWizard 12-11-2012 22:21

Any 00 buckshot at at least 1200 fps. With a center-mass shot at 15 yards or less, your attacker won't know the difference.

Warp 12-11-2012 23:00

Federal flight control wad #1 or 00. Right now...LE132-1B

(in both pics POA = POI)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...s/6bb46969.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...s/c310f94f.jpg


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