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jbp84 12-11-2012 14:59
Court Strikes Down Illinois' Conceal Carry Ban
 
I posted this in the Illinois "Where You Live" forum, but thought its relevant to everybody.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#story/...-ban-20121211/

xmanhockey7 12-11-2012 15:43
What an idiot. Yep blood will flow through the streets just like it already is in every other state in the nation.
Quote:
“If we need to change the law, let us at least craft a law that is very severely constrained and narrowly tailored so that we don’t invite guns out of control on each of our city’s streets,” Currie said. “I don’t want people out of control wandering the streets with guns that are out of control.”

Jackalo626 12-11-2012 15:48
Move in the right direction at least.

IGotIt 12-11-2012 15:51
Congratulations to the folks in Illinois.

Now what those in charge need to do is control those who carry guns and are out of control in the neighborhoods where all the shootings and murders are taking place. I find it quite odd that nothing is being done about those.

bear62 12-11-2012 16:01
Who knows ....... maybe Illinois will be a state I will "visit" some day (not just drive through to get to the other side)...:wavey:

TK-421 12-11-2012 16:22
I think it will be a victory once we can get decent laws on the books. We all know that illinois is going to try and make their new laws as anti-gun as possible, until someone else can afford to take them to court over the law they'll pass. I have very little doubt that they will not make a castle law, and that anybody who shoots in self defense will face charges, at least for a bit, even if concealed carry becomes legal.

Most Illinois lawmakers don't want guns, and they will fight for every single inch, and make the laws as difficult and unconstitutional as they can for as long as they can.

samurairabbi 12-11-2012 16:29
Most interesting development of the week! A split Federal Appeals Court decision breaks OUR way. If the US Supreme Court declines to review, which I think probable, then the last TOTAL state ban is gone. This would be massive in the fight against LOCAL bans.

jbp84 12-11-2012 16:58
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Originally Posted by TK-421 (Post 19724629)
We all know that illinois is going to try and make their new laws as anti-gun as possible...I have very little doubt that they will not make a castle law, and that anybody who shoots in self defense will face charges, at least for a bit, even if concealed carry becomes legal.

Most Illinois lawmakers don't want guns, and they will fight for every single inch, and make the laws as difficult and unconstitutional as they can for as long as they can.
With all due respect, you clearly know nothing about this state. It's not the whole state,or all of the Democrats, that are anti-gun...it's Chicago. The rest of the state is fairly pro-gun once you get outside of Chicago. We're home to Springfield Armory and Rock River arms. We also have a strong hunting and outdoors culture due to the majority of the state being rural areas. Again, once you get outside of Chicago.

Illinois does have a Castle Doctrine law which does not require a "duty to retreat" and spells out that the use of force is justified when protecting "self, dwelling, or other property." There is also specific protection from civil lawsuits relate to use of said force. (Article 7)

Governor Quinn's recent assault weapons ban bill was overridden by a vote of 49-4. Last year's proposed law to allow concealed carry (sponsored by a downstate Democrat) was passed by a vote of 65-52 but didn't have the 71 votes needed to overcome the governor's veto. I'm not sure where you're getting "most Illinois lawmakers don't want guns" from.

Feel free to check out the links if you like facts.

jbp84 12-11-2012 17:00
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Originally Posted by samurairabbi (Post 19724652)
Most interesting development of the week! A split Federal Appeals Court decision breaks OUR way. If the US Supreme Court declines to review, which I think probable, then the last TOTAL state ban is gone. This would be massive in the fight against LOCAL bans.
I think you're right. I believe Lisa Madigan and her ilk would be royally screwing other cities or states with restrictions (NJ, NYC, DC, etc.) if they tried a SCOTUS appeal.

eccho 12-11-2012 17:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by TK-421 (Post 19724629)
I think it will be a victory once we can get decent laws on the books. We all know that illinois is going to try and make their new laws as anti-gun as possible, until someone else can afford to take them to court over the law they'll pass. I have very little doubt that they will not make a castle law, and that anybody who shoots in self defense will face charges, at least for a bit, even if concealed carry becomes legal.

Most Illinois lawmakers don't want guns, and they will fight for every single inch, and make the laws as difficult and unconstitutional as they can for as long as they can.

Yes, I agree that the legislators will fight for every inch they can. Shall we make bets?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to legalize concealed carry... everywhere outside of towns and cities... which would be practically everywhere.

Although, the judge did use very specific language saying a chicagoan is more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk than in his apartment on the 35 floor.

It will be interesting to see how this goes.



I don't think this will be the end of it. I think the supreme court will have to step in eventually.

I don't agree with gun bans in "sensitive places" aka defenseless target zones, but I wouldn't put it past the anti gunners out there to try to declare the whole state a "sensitive place".

I will be AMAZED if anything actually happens in 180 days

eccho 12-11-2012 17:42
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Originally Posted by jbp84 (Post 19724761)
With all due respect, you clearly know nothing about this state. It's not the whole state,or all of the Democrats, that are anti-gun...it's Chicago. The rest of the state is fairly pro-gun once you get outside of Chicago. We're home to Springfield Armory and Rock River arms. We also have a strong hunting and outdoors culture due to the majority of the state being rural areas. Again, once you get outside of Chicago.

Illinois does have a Castle Doctrine law which does not require a "duty to retreat" and spells out that the use of force is justified when protecting "self, dwelling, or other property." There is also specific protection from civil lawsuits relate to use of said force. (Article 7)

Governor Quinn's recent assault weapons ban bill was overridden by a vote of 49-4. Last year's proposed law to allow concealed carry (sponsored by a downstate Democrat) was passed by a vote of 65-52 but didn't have the 71 votes needed to overcome the governor's veto. I'm not sure where you're getting "most Illinois lawmakers don't want guns" from.

Feel free to check out the links if you like facts.

Hey, I'll admit I was dead wrong about the state then...


I knew chicago was more anti gun than the rest of the state, but I didn't know those other things. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Still, government officials aren't known for being cooperative these days.

jbp84 12-11-2012 18:01
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Originally Posted by eccho (Post 19724903)
Still, government officials aren't known for being cooperative these days.
That's something we definitely agree on. Sorry If I was a bit of a jerk in my post. I just get steamed when my home state is bashed as an anti-gun hellhole when in fact it's a very small (but unfortunately very powerful) minority who ruin it for the majority of us. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction, not just for IL but California, New York, Maryland, etc.

Gpruitt54 12-11-2012 18:14
It's about frekin time! This is great news. I've had my Utah CCW permit for about 2 months. Now let's see what kinds of restrictions and road blocks Illinois apply in order to make it difficult for those who wish to carry. BTW, I am an Illinois resident.

FireForged 12-11-2012 19:51
There will always be those people who honestly believe that the only thing that prevents a law abiding citizen from becoming a psychotic lunatic, is the availability of a firearm.

ICARRY2 12-11-2012 20:03
I am keeping my fingers crossed for all of you gun owners who wish to legally ccw in Illinios. :D

tommyd78 12-11-2012 20:45
carry in illinois
 
This is not gonna be easy as a life long illinois resident don't pop the champagne this is illinois they march to a different drummer if they can find a way they will make it as difficult as possible. All the big politicians in springfield are from chicago districts. Mike Madigan runs the state what mikey wants mikey :upeyes:gets.:dunno:

vafish 12-11-2012 21:11
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Originally Posted by tommyd78 (Post 19725611)
This is not gonna be easy as a life long illinois resident don't pop the champagne this is illinois they march to a different drummer if they can find a way they will make it as difficult as possible. All the big politicians in springfield are from chicago districts. Mike Madigan runs the state what mikey wants mikey :upeyes:gets.:dunno:
Yep,

Look for NY, MD, NJ, or HI style concealed carry laws.

TK-421 12-11-2012 21:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbp84 (Post 19724761)
With all due respect, you clearly know nothing about this state. It's not the whole state,or all of the Democrats, that are anti-gun...it's Chicago. The rest of the state is fairly pro-gun once you get outside of Chicago. We're home to Springfield Armory and Rock River arms. We also have a strong hunting and outdoors culture due to the majority of the state being rural areas. Again, once you get outside of Chicago.

Illinois does have a Castle Doctrine law which does not require a "duty to retreat" and spells out that the use of force is justified when protecting "self, dwelling, or other property." There is also specific protection from civil lawsuits relate to use of said force. (Article 7)

Governor Quinn's recent assault weapons ban bill was overridden by a vote of 49-4. Last year's proposed law to allow concealed carry (sponsored by a downstate Democrat) was passed by a vote of 65-52 but didn't have the 71 votes needed to overcome the governor's veto. I'm not sure where you're getting "most Illinois lawmakers don't want guns" from.

Feel free to check out the links if you like facts.
I grew up in the burbs, half an hour from Chicago. I learned guns were horrible, awful things that should be banned. :tongueout:

So while Chicago might be the only place they're actually banned, the anti-gun mentality freely permeates the burbs. What I learned about Illinois being anti-gun I learned from people in the burbs. Don't shoot the messenger who got the wrong story from ill-informed democratic morons, I was young.

I'm so glad to be out of there, I don't care if the entire state isn't anti-gun, and it's just Chicago that is, the whole state still sucks. FOID card? No CCW? No thanks.

Jermzzzzzzz 12-11-2012 21:25
Utah CHL reciprocity and Shall Issue please!!

Sent from my DROIDX

Sharky7 12-11-2012 22:58
I am glad... I'm happy for all the citizens of Illinois! I hope they do this "right" and don't rush through it since they only have 180 days.

Boot Stomper 12-12-2012 00:32
This was a shocker today. :wow: A victory for all that believe in the U.S. Constitution. The next 180 day will be interesting. How many obstacles with the legislature put in front of the residents of Illinois?

Congrats to all freedom loving people. :supergrin:

cowboywannabe 12-12-2012 00:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by vafish (Post 19725701)
Yep,

Look for NY, MD, NJ, or HI style concealed carry laws.
this, nuf sed.

samurairabbi 12-12-2012 01:12
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Originally Posted by cowboywannabe (Post 19726056)
this, nuf sed.
Possibly true ... but remember ... It is easier to EXPAND a right, than to ESTABLISH one.

ilgunguygt 12-12-2012 02:34
While everyone continues to pile on IL lets take a look at the facts. The last few concealed carry pushes have been led by democrats, its a chicago vs the rest of the state thing, not dem vs republican. We were only a few votes short of a supermajority in passing our last bill, which was a pretty good bill. The ruling actually sets it up so that at 180 days from the ruling if there is no law then IL will become free territory for anyone with a FOID card with no regulations or restrictions.

That being said it comes to this, chicago gives in to what the rest of us want, or they fight and introduce thier own bill. Downstate doesnt vote for thiers, they dont vote for downstate. In 180 days we all conceal carry with no laws at all against it. No matter what the gun owner wins in this specific case.

Its crazy that its happening this way, but hey, this is Illinois and anything can happen here.

John Biltz 12-12-2012 02:36
Correct me if I'm wrong but they threw out the current law and allowed them 180 days to get a new one. If no new law is passed then there is no gun law at all. That is a very strong bargaining position for the pro gun guys.


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