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Detectorist 01-08-2013 01:52

Yep, let's legalize drugs...
 
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Ohio Copper 01-08-2013 02:00

The people who scream the loudest for decriminalization are the furthest from having to deal with it.

Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.




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Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:04

and yet it would happen weather its legal or not. just because some people don't know how to handle their sh** doesn't mean others should be punished who want to do drugs responsibly and recreationally and yet to allow cigarettes and alcohol is complete hypocrisy. same can be said with guns just because their are people who don't know howto properly handle guns doesn't mean everyone should be punished.

Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:07

and just to clear the air i don't use drugs.. anymore, however i think responsible adults should be able to do as they please with in moderation. some people just can't use moderation and it's no one's fault but their own.

*ASH* 01-08-2013 02:10

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Originally Posted by Goodrich (Post 19835065)
and yet it would happen weather its legal or not. just because some people don't know how to handle their sh** doesn't mean others should be punished who want to do drugs responsibly and recreationally and yet to allow cigarettes and alcohol is complete hypocrisy. same can be said with guns just because their are people who don't know howto properly handle guns doesn't mean everyone should be punished.

agreed this country has lost its damn mind . where has personal responsibility gone ???

war on drugs ??EPIC FAIL

legal or not folks will do what they want . people want to go down that road of drugs then so be it . thats their f up

im getting real damn tired of this law or that law .we got enough stupid ass laws .

people are responsible for themselves . period




if the government found a way to make money on it , everything would be legal lol .

Ohio Copper 01-08-2013 02:10

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Originally Posted by Goodrich (Post 19835065)
and yet it would happen weather its legal or not. just because some people don't know how to handle their sh** doesn't mean others should be punished who want to do drugs responsibly and recreationally and yet to allow cigarettes and alcohol is complete hypocrisy. same can be said with guns just because their are people who don't know howto properly handle guns doesn't mean everyone should be punished.

I'm not fully convinced heroin and meth are "recreational" but I digress.

To what extent is your experience with drugs and/or their users?

Where I work there is an enormous heroin problem. As such, just about every person I arrest for a theft crime or in a stolen car or RSP is an addict. An addict will steal your stuff and forget about it by the time that plunger hits.


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Ohio Copper 01-08-2013 02:12

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Originally Posted by *ASH* (Post 19835068)
agreed this country has lost its damn mind . where has personal responsibility gone ???

war on drugs ??EPIC FAIL

legal or not folks will do what they want . people want to go down that road of drugs then so be it . thats their f up

im getting real damn tired of this law or that law .we got enough stupid ass laws .

people are responsible for themselves . period

Only in a utopian world. That's along the same lines of "if there were no guns we'd have no more murders".

I really wish folks would have more personal responsibility, unfortunately the majority of our citizens lack that.




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Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:17

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Originally Posted by Ohio Copper (Post 19835069)
I'm not fully convinced heroin and meth are "recreational" but I digress.

To what extent is your experience with drugs and/or their users?

Where I work there is an enormous heroin problem. As such, just about every person I arrest for a theft crime or in a stolen car or RSP is an addict. An addict will steal your stuff and forget about it by the time that plunger hits.


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while in high school and some years after i smoked copious amounts of Marijuana. and about 5-6 years after high school i decided i wanted to try coke once just for experimentation purposes and that's what i did tried it once and that was it. i would like to try some hallucinogens. as of right now though i'm stone sober haven't done anything in a few years and that includes alcohol just never been a fan of it. as for herion and meth yes its destructive and anything synthesized i don't agree people should be doing however when it would come to legalization i don't think its fair to cherry pick weather you agree with it or not.

Detectorist 01-08-2013 02:19

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Originally Posted by Goodrich (Post 19835066)
and just to clear the air i don't use drugs.. anymore, however i think responsible adults should be able to do as they please with in moderation. some people just can't use moderation and it's no one's fault but their own.

Who decides who is a responsible adult?

*ASH* 01-08-2013 02:21

you know Ohio Copper we have had words on here before , and god knows most here know im not all for LEO LOL . and i do have relatives in law enforcement , but i must say ,,,,

anyone who wants a job with the highest divorce rate , dealing with ****ty people daily , putting up with BS , does deserve some respect . i will be first to admit you could not pay me enough money to deal with people like that daily .

Ohio Copper 01-08-2013 02:21

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Originally Posted by Detectorist (Post 19835074)
Who decides who is a responsible adult?

A reasonable person...


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Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:21

anyone over 21 just like with alcohol. at least if they where taxed and regulated we would be making some money and it would be harder for kids to get it. right now its so easy for them to pick whatever they want off the street.

Ohio Copper 01-08-2013 02:23

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Originally Posted by *ASH* (Post 19835076)
you know Ohio Copper we have had words on here before , and god knows most here know im not all for LEO LOL . and i do have relatives in law enforcement , but i must say ,,,,

anyone who wants a job with the highest divorce rate , dealing with ****ty people daily , putting up with BS , does deserve some respect . i will be first to admit you could not pay me enough money to deal with people like that daily .

Much appreciated. That means a lot.

And to think I did it for free for 3 months when I first started....




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elsolo 01-08-2013 02:24

Prohibition didn't stop those idiots.

Now how many people here would be smoking meth if only it were legal?

Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:24

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Originally Posted by *ASH* (Post 19835076)
you know Ohio Copper we have had words on here before , and god knows most here know im not all for LEO LOL . and i do have relatives in law enforcement , but i must say ,,,,

anyone who wants a job with the highest divorce rate , dealing with ****ty people daily , putting up with BS , does deserve some respect . i will be first to admit you could not pay me enough money to deal with people like that daily .

i mean don't get me wrong i have great respect for LEOs
i just find it a bummer that the people who are responsible who would like to do drugs recreationally have to feel like criminals.

Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:25

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Originally Posted by elsolo (Post 19835081)
Prohibition didn't stop those idiots.

Now how many people here would be smoking meth if only it were legal?

none unless they are already into it i don't think anyone on a whim is going to be like "hey i think ill do some heroin or meth" who have never been into it before.

Ohio Copper 01-08-2013 02:28

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Originally Posted by Goodrich (Post 19835082)
i mean don't get me wrong i have great respect for LEOs
i just find it a bummer that the people who are responsible who would like to do drugs recreationally have to feel like criminals.

You do understand that heroin, Meth, crack and powerful prescription drugs are hardly ever used recreationally?

They're not called methheads, crackheads and pill heads for nothing.


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Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:33

yes well some people can show greater restraint then others, obviously the vast majority can't with those types of drugs. i have never used or had the desire to try those personally, however like i said earlier when it comes to legalization or even decriminalization it wouldn't be fair to cherry pick. weather i agree with them or not. i'm more about the non narcotics. but to each their own. people are going to do what they want to do.

Detectorist 01-08-2013 02:39

Serious crime in this country has been cut like 40%. One of the reasons this happened is that we are putting more folks in jail for longer periods. Many of them, if not most, were drug users/dealers.

Goodrich 01-08-2013 02:41

what about the first time non-violent offenders. ?

Animal Mother 01-08-2013 02:57

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Originally Posted by Detectorist (Post 19835086)
Serious crime in this country has been cut like 40%. One of the reasons this happened is that we are putting more folks in jail for longer periods. Many of them, if not most, were drug users/dealers.

Wouldn't legalization accomplish the same goal, without the huge population of people in prisons?

RyanBDawg 01-08-2013 03:12

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Originally Posted by Ohio Copper (Post 19835063)
The people who scream the loudest for decriminalization are the furthest from having to deal with it.

Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.




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And yet even though they are illegal people still get them.

We should also ban guns, that will prevent crime from happening.


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John Galt 01-08-2013 03:20

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Originally Posted by Ohio Copper (Post 19835071)
...I really wish folks would have more personal responsibility, unfortunately the majority of our citizens lack that.
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I have to disagree. I think that the majority of citizens you come in contact with, by virtue of your job, lack personal responsibility. Most people do have a sense of personal responsibility. You do not see them because they're not causing problems.

jdavionic 01-08-2013 03:39

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Originally Posted by RyanBDawg (Post 19835095)
And yet even though they are illegal people still get them.

We should also ban guns, that will prevent crime from happening.


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Not a good comparison. The second amendment does not say anything about drugs...obviously. And there's nothing in the constitution that prevents states from being able to establish a law making drugs illegal, versus a state establishing a law that infringes on the second amendment rights.

To me, I don't see any good that comes from legalization of drugs. However I also don't see this as a federal issue. I think it ought to be left to the states. If people in a state deem it desirable to legalize, then let them. I will say that I would seek a state where drugs were deemed illegal. I grew up in an area that had major drug problems and have seen too many bad things resulting from it.

syntaxerrorsix 01-08-2013 04:49

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Originally Posted by Ohio Copper (Post 19835063)
The people who scream the loudest for decriminalization are the furthest from having to deal with it.

Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.




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You could have stopped at unconstitutional. Beyond that your emotions are irrelevant.

Replace drugs with guns and tell me how it sounds.


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