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GlockPistola 01-11-2013 22:15

Recommend me some ammo for 12 gauge.
 
For a Remington 870 Express Tactical for HD. So many choices out there.

datnvan 01-12-2013 01:03

any 00 will do the trick. some group the pellets tighter than others at 15yds. some are lower recoil too. you just need to try a few different ones out and see what you like. i certainly would not like to be busted with any 00 regardless of brand, i'm pretty sure a BG wouldnt know the difference either. I have a few of the PDX1 rounds too and they are good, just $$. if you live in an apartment #4 shot is actually good for SD and shown to not really penetrate beyond 2 walls of sheetrock.

detroitdiablo 01-12-2013 06:37

If you want slugs, there is only one choice, Brenneke Special Forces Short Magnum, Used by the most elite LE Unit in America with plenty of real street results.

blakestree 01-12-2013 09:52

I, also, have an 870 Express Tactical. I load Federal Power-Shok Low Recoil 00 for HD. Its pattern really starts to open up at 7 yards. If you want something tighter look at Hornady or Federal with Flitecontrol.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0643.jpg

barth 01-12-2013 10:28

Any quality 00 buck will do the trick.
#4 people shot is a fine choice too.
Federal makes some low recoil tactical 12 gauge rounds
that would be near perfect.

I personally use LE slugs in my Mossy pump 12 gauge.
But I'm I'm a handgun guy.
And will naturally go for a pistol first.
If I've emptied my HK45C three times and I'm still fighting?
The gloves come off and it's heavy artillery.
I'm not recommending that kind of response from others...
http://www.gandrtactical.com/PDGImages/LEB127RS.jpg


And my latest acquisition.
The commemorative FU Obummer AK.
Will be joining my HD arsenal soon...
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/mya...=true&rs=falsehttp://www.budspolicesupply.com/cata...NATO%20TAP.jpg

collim1 01-12-2013 12:38

Hard to pick a bad one IMO. Inside a house the distance is close enough that even the cheapest buckshot will pattern well enough to be effective and keep pellets on target.

Plain ol Walmart Remington, Federal, or Winchester 00 buck will be fine.

If you plan on using the same gun outside the house then I would step up to Hornady TAP, Federal LE 13200 Flite-control, or Winchester Ranger 00 buck.

I use Federal #4 buck in my HD shotgun, and Federal LE 00 buck in my patrol shotgun. I like the #4 inside the house. The pattern spreads fast, but is still on target at inside the house distances. 27 pellets is no joke.

In my patrol shotgun the Flite-control loads pattern nicely out to 40yds giving me an extra 15 yards of range.

JackMac 01-13-2013 07:09

Number 1 Buck Shot is good as each shot pellet is 30 caliber and there are more pellets than in a 00 Buck load.

Kentguy 01-13-2013 07:54

GlockPistola,

Only two choices for me;

Winchester PDX1 - http://www.winchester.com/Products/N...s/pdx1-12.aspx

Hornady 12g 00 buck critical defense - http://www.hornady.com/store/12-ga-0...tical-Defense/

beforeobamabans 01-13-2013 11:35

2 Attachment(s)
#4 vs 00 from 30' shot from my 1967 Browning A5.

The 00 was low recoil Winchester Ranger RA1200.
The #4 was high velocity RIO (Spain)

I suspect either one will provide sufficient discouragement.

Both purchased from SGAmmo before they got cleaned out of everything.

VinnieD 01-13-2013 12:27

At HD ranges the downrange performance of your buckshot won't matter much, you'll be close enough that pretty much all the pellets are going to hit. 00 is a good standard for getting the job done, though some prefer to have more projectiles at the cost of penetration.

Some folks espouse the virtues of #4 given its lower penetration, but in gel tests #4 wasn't shown to have adequate penetration. That doesn't mean it won't stop a threat, but it might not be the immediate stopper a better penetrating round would be. Most BGs are going to top if shot with most anything of course, but there's always that one who doesn't seem to care if he's been shot, and won't stop until he's rendered entirely non functional. This is why 00 has been the gold standard.

If you can find it, I might suggest trying #1 buckshot. It has more projectiles than 00 but still enough mass as to achieve the needed 12" FBI standard for penetration. The greater number of projectiles means you'll be inflicting more wound channels with each shot, thus playing to the strengths of the shotgun, and that means more overall damage to the target and the greatest likelyhood of stopping.

In any event, either #1 or 00 are both excellent choices for HD and have a proven track record of successful defense, as well as use by police. I wouldn't doubt #4 would work for 99 out of 100 intruders, but there is a reason police moved away from it, and toward 00.

unit1069 01-13-2013 16:02

I'm loaded with #1 buckshot (Sellier & Bellot) with #4 (Remington) in reserve. Just about any 12 gauge buckshot will be effective for self-defense. What I'd like to know is the listing of loads that span the range from loose to tight loads and where each stands on that scale. Also, whether a loose or tight spread is preferable for close-in self-defense scenarios.

glock2740 01-13-2013 16:32

I use the 2 3/4" hi-vel 00Buck from Remington in my 18.5" 870 6+1. :cool:

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...11/Guns038.jpg

Glockdude1 01-13-2013 17:00

http://www.sgammo.com/sites/default/...x170651250.jpg

http://www.sgammo.com/product/12-gau...et-oo-buckshot

:thumbsup:

SCmasterblaster 01-13-2013 17:04

I use OOO buckshot - 8 pellets per shell - .36 caliber pellets.

bear62 01-13-2013 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by blakestree (Post 19852967)
I, also, have an 870 Express Tactical. I load Federal Power-Shok Low Recoil 00 for HD. Its pattern really starts to open up at 7 yards. If you want something tighter look at Hornady or Federal with Flitecontrol.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0643.jpg

This looks like an evil "assault" shotgun ...... in the eye's of Biden...... (but personally I love it)

bear62 01-13-2013 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19858910)
I'm loaded with #1 buckshot (Sellier & Bellot) with #4 (Remington) in reserve. Just about any 12 gauge buckshot will be effective for self-defense. What I'd like to know is the listing of loads that span the range from loose to tight loads and where each stands on that scale. Also, whether a loose or tight spread is preferable for close-in self-defense scenarios.

+1 here......

SCmasterblaster 01-13-2013 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by bear62 (Post 19859216)
This looks like an evil "assault" shotgun ...... in the eye's of Biden...... (but personally I love it)

Biden can GTH. This is a great SG!

beforeobamabans 01-13-2013 17:53

$1 each!?! :wow:

And they're not even in stock.

Jeff82 01-13-2013 19:29

#1 Buck if you can find it, 00 if you can't.

What makes the #1 better than 00 is it has more "frontal area" than the 00 load. (Even though the pellets are smaller.) Frontal area of the shot pellet is what causes the damage as it passes through the target. Also 00 sometimes has too much penetration while #4 Buck doesn't have quite enough. #1 hits the sweet spot.

GlockPistola 01-13-2013 20:21

Great suggestions guys. I appreciate all the input.

plouffedaddy 01-13-2013 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff82 (Post 19860001)
#1 Buck if you can find it, 00 if you can't.

What makes the #1 better than 00 is it has more "frontal area" than the 00 load. (Even though the pellets are smaller.) Frontal area of the shot pellet is what causes the damage as it passes through the target. Also 00 sometimes has too much penetration while #4 Buck doesn't have quite enough. #1 hits the sweet spot.

Here's a couple tests I've done with buckshot:



countrygun 01-13-2013 20:56

I tried these in 4 different shotguns, a Winchester 1200, good quality Chinese coach gun, EAA bounty hunter, and Mossberg 500.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...n/IM002774.jpg




each gun seemed to have its own favorite. I was trying to find the tightest pattern for each. In some cases the difference wasn't much, in others it was worth it to pick a "best" over a 'worst".


eta I tried the Winchester supreme "buck and ball" in my Mossberg w/GR sights and it was remarkably consistent at 20 yds. Tight buck triangle around the slug. The pellets were about 2" from the slug and I repeated it several times.

GlockPistola 01-13-2013 22:12

I'm going for some #1 Federal (If I can get any, maybe after the hysteria dies down), but if not, some 00 Federal, Winchester or Remington. What's the difference between plated and unplated?

RWBlue 01-13-2013 22:59

OP, This is important. Describe Home Defense?

If Home includes shooting cars or people in cars the advise would be different than is home is an apartment with the longest shot being 10 feet (with neighbors just on the other side of the wall).

Here is a link to some good info.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=109958

Note that #4 can be buck or #4 shot. Shot is for birds and rabbits. Buck is fine for people not behind heavy cover.

If you are thinking people in cars or behind cover you are now talking about 00 or 000.
Quote:

Originally Posted by detroitdiablo (Post 19852268)
If you want slugs, there is only one choice, Brenneke Special Forces Short Magnum, Used by the most elite LE Unit in America with plenty of real street results.

Brenneke yes, your specific load, maybe not. Find out what groups best with your shotgun.

IMHO, do NOT go for reduced power loads. Look at the gel tests. Learn how to shoot full power loads if at all possible. I have seen a light weight girl do it. The only question is 2.75 or 3 inch. I have some of both. My load up would be different depending on the plan.

BTW, you might want to look into wax slugs. If done right I think they could be a good cost savings venture for you as you learn your gun.

BTW2, Don't do cut slugs.

SCmasterblaster 01-14-2013 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19859212)
I use OOO buckshot - 8 pellets per shell - .36 caliber pellets.


I like the OOO buck load - it is the same as hitting someone with eight 9mm bullets at once. Ouch!!!


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