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onearmsteve 01-19-2013 16:41

critical duty 9mm +p
 
any thoughts on over penetration or carrying in my ccw

Merkavaboy 01-19-2013 17:24

Unproven design. I'd never be a guinea pig for Hornady.

onearmsteve 01-19-2013 17:30

an opinion on the best SD load

unit1069 01-19-2013 17:55

The penetration is great but the expansion is sub-par. What's the price of the Critical Duty compared to Federal 135-grain Tactical Bonded +P? I bought some and if memory isn't faulty fred confirmed the Federal is a potent self-defense round (and I don't dispute fred's opinion).

I think ATK's ammo tests show the 135-grain Tac Bonded stats as 1066 fps, 12+" penetration and .60" expansion through denim and gel. It's the heaviest round I've shot in my 9mm pistol.

onearmsteve 01-19-2013 18:00

my critical duty I have are 135gr

Kentguy 01-19-2013 18:03

onearmsteve..."any thoughts on over penetration or carrying in my ccw."

tnoutdoors9 has done a very good penetration test on this round;

I found the 135g +P rounds just a bit too snappy for my G26 (my EDC), most definitely a good round but I prefer a round I can manage just a bit more. I suppose if your practice enough with this (or any round for that matter) you will get used to it and be able to use it effectively.

Be safe out there.

onearmsteve 01-19-2013 18:11

nice video it just seems like 16in of penetration is a lot but don't want a round to under penetrate

SCmasterblaster 01-24-2013 19:37

It may penetrate a bit more that standard velocity 9mm ammo.

M 7 01-24-2013 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by onearmsteve (Post 19886061)
any thoughts on over penetration or carrying in my ccw

Judge for yourself.

http://www.hornady.com/store/Critical-Duty/

At the bottom of the page, just hit the link that says SEE DETAILS under the picture of each cartridge to see how each one did when subjected to the FBI test protocols. (they all passed)

www.quantitativeammunitionselection.com

WinterWizard 01-24-2013 22:23

OP, you should worry about missing more than over penetration. I don't know why people freak out over over penetration so much. Unless you use FMJ, you don't have anything to be worried about.

onearmsteve 01-29-2013 16:56

it just seems like 14 in is a lot thats like double the size of a crackhead

onearmsteve 01-30-2013 14:25

??????

SCmasterblaster 01-31-2013 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by onearmsteve (Post 19926556)
it just seems like 14 in is a lot thats like double the size of a crackhead

That's right - a crackhead is about 7 inches wide
:cool:

ScottieG59 02-02-2013 20:50

I think the issue with these new loads is a lack of real world data to determine performance. If a large number of big city police agencies do not start to use it, there is really no real way to know how these will perform. It seems to have what it takes to deal with barriers, but only time and use will tell if it is good enough.

Ak.Hiker 02-02-2013 22:15

The Critical Duty line looks like a good load for someone that spends a lot of time in the outdoors. Game wardens, back country travel etc.

BrokenArrow 02-03-2013 13:47

A lot of PDs are using duty ammo that avgs about 15-18 inches in the FBI test series (16-20 inches in bare/clothed gel) w/o any overpenetration problems. Loads like the 230/45, 125/357SIG, and 124/9 +P Gold Dots for example.

Even a peripheral hit w a low pen load can exit. Hitting bodies at odd angles and/or hitting arms first can mean 18 inches w/o exiting.

SCmasterblaster 02-06-2013 16:32

So who cares if a bullet exit the felon's body? It has probably decelerated to a harmless velocity.

G21 02-06-2013 16:40

Alls I know is that it performs well in the "FBI Tests" and performs admirably, if not better than ammo already proven in real world shootings.....

See Hornady's site and/or the current issue of American Rifleman. ( I think, I can check later for sure on which issue I saw it in.)

You do realize that the current "real world proven" ammo was also unproven when first introduced?

SCmasterblaster 02-08-2013 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by G21 (Post 19956763)
Alls I know is that it performs well in the "FBI Tests" and performs admirably, if not better than ammo already proven in real world shootings.....

See Hornady's site and/or the current issue of American Rifleman. ( I think, I can check later for sure on which issue I saw it in.)

You do realize that the current "real world proven" ammo was also unproven when first introduced?

So it did well in the FBI Tests. There are numerous critics of these FBI Tests.


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