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meathead19 01-30-2013 19:21

Winchester 9mm JHP
 
Finally rec'd my order.

Anyone have experience with these?

I don't and haven't fired any yet.

robhic 01-31-2013 08:37

Not those, specifically, but I've not had problems with other variants of Winchester's 9mm ammo. Seems pretty good stuff.

I like their NATO 125gr RN for target work.

bear62 01-31-2013 08:51

Not bad stuff.........

SCmasterblaster 01-31-2013 08:56

Winchester makes excellent ammo. I'd trust it.

M 7 01-31-2013 09:24

The Winchester white box 115 gr JHPs use the same bullet as the 9mm 115 gr. Silvertip does (obviously it isn't plated) which used to be law enforcement ammo years ago.

I'd carry it without a worry.

Tiro Fijo 01-31-2013 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by M 7 (Post 19933132)
The Winchester white box 115 gr JHPs use the same bullet as the 9mm 115 gr. Silvertip does (obviously it isn't plated) which used to be law enforcement ammo years ago.

I'd carry it without a worry.


I believe it uses the same bullet as the Ranger RA9MMJHP & RA9115HP, the latter being a +p+ load.

SCmasterblaster 01-31-2013 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo (Post 19933201)
I believe it uses the same bullet as the Ranger RA9MMJHP & RA9115HP, the latter being a +p+ load.

I have Winchester 115gr JHP +p+ in my G17 on me right now.

meathead19 01-31-2013 10:27

Good info......Thanks.

fastbolt 01-31-2013 12:29

Generic old-style JHP they've made for many years.

I'd not be surprised to find that it might produce velocities toward the lower end of the typical velocity range for a standard pressure 115gr load (being their bargain priced load).

Think of it, if you will, as "Retro-Style" 9mm defensive ammo.

I think I still have some left over from training/practice from previous years, as well as some of the 147gr JHP from their Duty/USA line, both of which I keep set aside for range ammo (when the +P range ammo runs low, or I don't want to run a lot of +P or +P+ loads through a particular gun).

I'd rather use it than FMJ.

However, I'd also rather use any of the more modern hollowpoint loads, made by any of the major American ammo makers, given a choice.

hotpig 01-31-2013 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo (Post 19933201)
I believe it uses the same bullet as the Ranger RA9MMJHP & RA9115HP, the latter being a +p+ load.

I also use the same bullet with target hand loads that I tuned specifically for various guns.

I carried as duty ammo the RA9115HP+ and the 9BPLE back in the hay day of light and fast loads. Right now I actually have the XM9001 loaded in my CW9. Velocity wise it is very near the two +P+ loads but does not have as much pressure.

I will change that out to the new version of the RA9B once it comes out.

SCmasterblaster 01-31-2013 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbolt (Post 19933773)
Generic old-style JHP they've made for many years.

I'd not be surprised to find that it might produce velocities toward the lower end of the typical velocity range for a standard pressure 115gr load (being their bargain priced load).

Think of it, if you will, as "Retro-Style" 9mm defensive ammo.

I think I still have some left over from training/practice from previous years, as well as some of the 147gr JHP from their Duty/USA line, both of which I keep set aside for range ammo (when the +P range ammo runs low, or I don't want to run a lot of +P or +P+ loads through a particular gun).

I'd rather use it than FMJ.

However, I'd also rather use any of the more modern hollowpoint loads, made by any of the major American ammo makers, given a choice.

Regarding old style - there's nothing wrong with old styles if they work. The 230gr FMJRN .45 ACP is over a hundred years old and it works just fine today. So I can rely on a 30-year-old bullet design for 9mm.

Spiffums 01-31-2013 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbolt (Post 19933773)
Generic old-style JHP they've made for many years.

I'd not be surprised to find that it might produce velocities toward the lower end of the typical velocity range for a standard pressure 115gr load (being their bargain priced load).

Think of it, if you will, as "Retro-Style" 9mm defensive ammo.

I think I still have some left over from training/practice from previous years, as well as some of the 147gr JHP from their Duty/USA line, both of which I keep set aside for range ammo (when the +P range ammo runs low, or I don't want to run a lot of +P or +P+ loads through a particular gun).

I'd rather use it than FMJ.

However, I'd also rather use any of the more modern hollowpoint loads, made by any of the major American ammo makers, given a choice.

Kinda like the Federal LE9. For use in older guns.

kaech 01-31-2013 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19933224)
I have Winchester 115gr JHP +p+ in my G17 on me right now.

YOU DONT SAY:rolleyes:

Tiro Fijo 01-31-2013 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotpig (Post 19934272)
...I will change that out to the new version of the RA9B once it comes out.


Out of curiousity, why? I fiigured you'd be on board with the new 124 gr. +p T Series, which by the way is IMO the same damn thing as their 127 gr. +p+. They chrono the same.

fastbolt 01-31-2013 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19934283)
Regarding old style - there's nothing wrong with old styles if they work.

There's the rub. ;)

If you're hoping for the optimal chance for consistent and robust expansion under difficult conditions, using standard pressure 9mm JHP's, the old style 115gr loads might not be the best choice.

Each of the major American ammo makers offer hollowpoint 9mm bullets of improved design, which offer better potential optimal "performance" under a wider variety of conditions, than the older style hollowpoints.

Of course, the smaller nose cavity openings of the older style 115gr bullets offered by Win, Rem & Fed could offer better potential feeding in older pistols in which the longer, and/or wider nose cavity, bullets might not feed as consistently well.

No guarantees with any of it, though. ;)

I've carried old-style JHPs in my 9's, .40's & .45's and not lost sleep over doing so. I just prefer the better designed versions when given a choice.

unit1069 01-31-2013 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbolt (Post 19935238)
Each of the major American ammo makers offer hollowpoint 9mm bullets of improved design, which offer better potential optimal "performance" under a wider variety of conditions, than the older style hollowpoints.


SCmasterblaster 02-01-2013 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaech (Post 19935105)
YOU DONT SAY:rolleyes:

I DO say so. My G17 is loaded with WW 115gr JHP +p+ loads. :cool:

SCmasterblaster 02-01-2013 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbolt (Post 19935238)
There's the rub. ;)

If you're hoping for the optimal chance for consistent and robust expansion under difficult conditions, using standard pressure 9mm JHP's, the old style 115gr loads might not be the best choice.

Each of the major American ammo makers offer hollowpoint 9mm bullets of improved design, which offer better potential optimal "performance" under a wider variety of conditions, than the older style hollowpoints.

Of course, the smaller nose cavity openings of the older style 115gr bullets offered by Win, Rem & Fed could offer better potential feeding in older pistols in which the longer, and/or wider nose cavity, bullets might not feed as consistently well.

No guarantees with any of it, though. ;)

I've carried old-style JHPs in my 9's, .40's & .45's and not lost sleep over doing so. I just prefer the better designed versions when given a choice.

My old style 115gr JHPs are driven to +p+ velocities in my G17 4.5-inch barrel. THAT ought to open them up.

clinttho 02-01-2013 22:12

. I carried silver tips at the advice of a popular gun writer/expert when I first got my Glock 27 and 23. they're the same design as wwb hp. After a lot of research I switched to gold dots and feel much more confident and safe knowing the rounds will perform as intended more reliably than old tech sd ammo. I still have several boxes of the silvertip ammo in case I run out of range ammo or use my gold dots up and cannot get anything else.

My advice is use them til you can find 124g gold dots, ranger or HST ammo then switch. These are more proven designs that are more likely to be effective against an attacker if you ever need to use your weapon. The new high tech hp rounds are the best you can buy and not that much more costly. Just an opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying those knowing better rounds are out there on the shelves (even in this panic buying market I've seen 9mm gold dot, ranger, golden saber ammo in 124/147g weights online and in stores at decent prices.

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meathead19 02-02-2013 06:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by clinttho (Post 19939354)
. I carried silver tips at the advice of a popular gun writer/expert when I first got my Glock 27 and 23. they're the same design as wwb hp. After a lot of research I switched to gold dots and feel much more confident and safe knowing the rounds will perform as intended more reliably than old tech sd ammo. I still have several boxes of the silvertip ammo in case I run out of range ammo or use my gold dots up and cannot get anything else.

My advice is use them til you can find 124g gold dots, ranger or HST ammo then switch. These are more proven designs that are more likely to be effective against an attacker if you ever need to use your weapon. The new high tech hp rounds are the best you can buy and not that much more costly. Just an opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying those knowing better rounds are out there on the shelves (even in this panic buying market I've seen 9mm gold dot, ranger, golden saber ammo in 124/147g weights online and in stores at decent prices.

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Good points.....Thanks.

SCmasterblaster 02-02-2013 07:19

It is tough to find good ammo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clinttho (Post 19939354)
. I carried silver tips at the advice of a popular gun writer/expert when I first got my Glock 27 and 23. they're the same design as wwb hp. After a lot of research I switched to gold dots and feel much more confident and safe knowing the rounds will perform as intended more reliably than old tech sd ammo. I still have several boxes of the silvertip ammo in case I run out of range ammo or use my gold dots up and cannot get anything else.

My advice is use them til you can find 124g gold dots, ranger or HST ammo then switch. These are more proven designs that are more likely to be effective against an attacker if you ever need to use your weapon. The new high tech hp rounds are the best you can buy and not that much more costly. Just an opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying those knowing better rounds are out there on the shelves (even in this panic buying market I've seen 9mm gold dot, ranger, golden saber ammo in 124/147g weights online and in stores at decent prices.

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If it wasn't for guns shows and the internet, I wouldn't have any CCW ammo.

fastbolt 02-02-2013 10:28

Considering some random observations I made during a recent trip through the Pacific Northwest, ammunition availability seems weirdly spotty.

In one "general store" there was all sorts of handgun ammunition on the shelves, across a wide range of calibers, and the prices seemed pretty reasonable (compared to usual CA prices). Federal, Winchester, Remington & Speer for the major brands, and a couple of foreign brands, as well.

Just a few miles away, at the other end of the small town, the local WM store had mostly bare shelves. Even the rifle & shotgun ammo was mostly depleted (unlike the other store, which was plentiful). :dunno:

Didn't stop in any dedicated "gun stores", so I didn't see the situation in any of those.

SCmasterblaster 02-02-2013 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbolt (Post 19940675)
Considering some random observations I made during a recent trip through the Pacific Northwest, ammunition availability seems weirdly spotty.

In one "general store" there was all sorts of handgun ammunition on the shelves, across a wide range of calibers, and the prices seemed pretty reasonable (compared to usual CA prices). Federal, Winchester, Remington & Speer for the major brands, and a couple of foreign brands, as well.

Just a few miles away, at the other end of the small town, the local WM store had mostly bare shelves. Even the rifle & shotgun ammo was mostly depleted (unlike the other store, which was plentiful). :dunno:

Didn't stop in any dedicated "gun stores", so I didn't see the situation in any of those.

That ammo-rich store will soon be besieged by ammo-seekers.

fastbolt 02-02-2013 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19940988)
That ammo-rich store will soon be besieged by ammo-seekers.

Dunno. I've seen the shelves in that store hold more over the years. The handgun ammo was still plentiful, though, and the rifle & shotgun ammo was really plentiful and varied. Kinda surprised it hadn't been scoured by the "panicked internet gun forum buyers". :whistling:

There were a handful of young and older men standing around in the isle, and there seemed to be the usual amount of business occurring everywhere else, but nobody was pulling boxes of ammo off the shelves.

Of course, the folks who patronize that sort of large general store are probably the sort of folks who aren't exactly caught totally unprepared by sudden shortages of important things. :whistling:

SCmasterblaster 02-02-2013 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbolt (Post 19941244)
Dunno. I've seen the shelves in that store hold more over the years. The handgun ammo was still plentiful, though, and the rifle & shotgun ammo was really plentiful and varied. Kinda surprised it hadn't been scoured by the "panicked internet gun forum buyers". :whistling:

There were a handful of young and older men standing around in the isle, and there seemed to be the usual amount of business occurring everywhere else, but nobody was pulling boxes of ammo off the shelves.

Of course, the folks who patronize that sort of large general store are probably the sort of folks who aren't exactly caught totally unprepared by sudden shortages of important things. :whistling:

The guys were probably asking themselves how much ammo that they have at home . . . . .


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