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ticshooter 02-07-2013 03:25

Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning?
 
Hey guys. I'm an enthusiast of both pistols but thought I would ask the same question here as I did on the 1911 Forum.

Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning? I understand John Browning's accomplishmets with his designs but I also understand Gaston Glocks with his. Browning's designs have been around for over 100 years but it looks like Gaston's designs may be the design of the future if it already isn't.. I'm not partial to either design because I own and enjoy them both. I'm just wondering if you think Gaston and Browning are on the same level and why?

RyanBDawg 02-07-2013 03:32

No. John Browning was a firearms master. His designs were radically apart from anything else being done in his day. He came as close to re-inventing firearms as anyone in history has. His lock-breech design is used in virtually every semi-auto pistol to this day, including Glock.


Gaston Glock is a toolmaker who made a fantastic, and utterly reliable tool which shoots bullets. I would say Gaston's most important contribution has been in materials which pistols (now) are made out of, and precision manufacturing.

Three-Five-Seven 02-07-2013 04:12

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Originally Posted by RyanBDawg (Post 19958888)
No. John Browning was a firearms master. His designs were radically apart from anything else being done in his day. He came as close to re-inventing firearms as anyone in history has. His lock-breech design is used in virtually every semi-auto pistol to this day, including Glock.


Gaston Glock is a toolmaker who made a fantastic, and utterly reliable tool which shoots bullets. I would say Gaston's most important contribution has been in materials which pistols (now) are made out of, and precision manufacturing.

+1 What he said!

LawScholar 02-07-2013 04:27

Yes.

In the field of curtain rods.

Joking aside, the Glock is a great gun, but Glock is first and foremost a businessman, whereas JMB was an absolute prodigy in firearms design. He was instrumental in reshaping how guns were made.

Glock just figured out how to make a strong, simple, reliable design very inexpensively. Whether you're selling guns, floss, car parts, or IKEA furniture, that's a recipe for success.

As the above poster noted, the Glock operates on Browning principles. That ought to answer it right there. :)

RyanBDawg 02-07-2013 04:31

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Originally Posted by LawScholar (Post 19958939)
Yes.

In the field of curtain rods.

Joking aside, the Glock is a great gun, but Glock is first and foremost a businessman, whereas JMB was an absolute prodigy in firearms design. He was instrumental in reshaping how guns were made.

Glock just figured out how to make a strong, simple, reliable design very inexpensively. Whether you're sellinv guns, floss, car parts, or IKEA furniture, that's a recipe for success.

As the above poster noted, the Glock operates on Browning principles. That ought to answer it right there. :)

Yep, in the field of firearms design, its John Moses Browning first, and then everyone else.

TKM 02-07-2013 04:49

I think this myth has been busted....

Taphius 02-07-2013 04:54

I view Glock much like Apple. Took a lot of ideas from other items and combined them into a good product. Except Apple has more mark up.

They both pretty much sit on the design that made them successful and are failing to innovate further.

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John Biltz 02-07-2013 05:05

JMB was a genius and I don't like 1911s. Glock made a pistol. JMB made pump and auto shotguns, automatic and semiautomatic rifles, medium and heavy machine guns, lever action rifles and oh yeah, pistols. What is more every time it was revolutionary. The man was prolific, eclectic and brilliant. The .50 BMG is not only still in use by the military but will be in use for decades to come.

bac1023 02-07-2013 05:15

God no

Arc Angel 02-07-2013 05:45

NOT EVEN CLOSE!

(Not personally, not professionally)

Lowjiber 02-07-2013 05:53

It's not just a coincidence. John Browning's middle name, that is.

faawrenchbndr 02-07-2013 06:01

Oh heeeeeeeell no!

Bob Hafler 02-07-2013 06:10

Pretty much got your answer already, but if your still in doubt.

Wikapedia John Browning and then Gaston Glock.
Nuff Said.

ronin.45 02-07-2013 06:16

Not even on the same planet!

number1gun 02-07-2013 06:31

Bill Ruger has Mr. glock beat.

silversport 02-07-2013 06:35

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Originally Posted by number1gun (Post 19959090)
Bill Ruger has Mr. Glock beat.

and he isn't up to Browning's genius...but he did make a nice car...

Bill

rgregoryb 02-07-2013 07:49

hail NO. When the Glock 17 was introduced Gaston and some of his executives came to our PD as we evaluated the pistol. I asked him if they would produce the pistol in any other caliber than 9mm, he said no, there would not be a market for that. I was a proponent of the 45 back then

Nice guy, but not even close to JMB

Bren 02-07-2013 08:49

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Originally Posted by ticshooter (Post 19958878)
Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning? I understand John Browning's accomplishmets with his designs but I also understand Gaston Glocks with his. Browning's designs have been around for over 100 years but it looks like Gaston's designs may be the design of the future if it already isn't.. I'm not partial to either design because I own and enjoy them both. I'm just wondering if Gaston and Browning are on the same level and why?

That's a silly question. If you need to ask it, you won't udnerstand the answer.

John Browning invented the fundamental design principles of just about every modern gun, beyond revolvers.

Gaston Glock, made Browning-derived designs commercially successful in a polymer-framed gun, after other companies, like H&K, failed to do so. (Yes, it is a myth that Glock designed an entirely new type of gun, as anybody who knows guns knows).

John Browning:
Quote:

Cartridges.25 ACP
.32 ACP
.38 ACP
9mm Browning Long
.380 ACP
.45 ACP
.50 BMG

Firearms

U.S. M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun
FN Browning M1899/M1900
Colt Model 1900
Colt Model 1902
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammer (.38 ACP)
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless (.32 ACP)
Colt Model 1905
FN Model 1906 Vest Pocket (.25 ACP)
Remington Model 8 (1906), a long recoil semi-automatic rifle
Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket (.25 ACP)
Colt Model 1908 Pocket Hammerless (.380 ACP)
FN Model 1910
U.S. M1911 pistol (.45 ACP)
Colt Woodsman pistol
Winchester Model 1885 falling-block single shot rifle
Winchester Model 1886 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1887 lever-action repeating shotgun
Winchester Model 1890 slide-action repeating rifle (.22)
Winchester Model 1892 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1894 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1895 lever-action repeating rifle
Winchester Model 1897 pump-action repeating shotgun
Browning Auto-5 long recoil semi-automatic shotgun
Browning 22 Semi-Auto rifle
U.S. M1917 water-cooled machine gun
U.S. M1919 air-cooled machine gun
U.S. M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR)
U.S. M2 .50-caliber heavy machine gun of 1921 (the famed "Ma-Deuce" weapon)
Remington Model 8 semi-auto rifle
Remington Model 24 semi-auto rifle (.22) Also produced by Browning Firearms (as the SA-22) and several others
Browning Hi-Power (Grand Puissance or GP), the standard sidearm of many military and police forces
The Browning Superposed over/under shotgun was designed by John Browning in 1922 and entered production in 1931
Ithaca Model 37 pump-action repeating shotgun

If you include guns designed by others, based on Browning's designs, add "all automatic and semi-automatic firearms to the list
Now, Gaston Glock:

Quote:

Glock pistol - same action in various calibers and grip/slide lengths.

WoodenPlank 02-07-2013 09:36

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Originally Posted by Taphius (Post 19958953)
I view Glock much like Apple. Took a lot of ideas from other items and combined them into a good product. Except Apple has more mark up.

They both pretty much sit on the design that made them successful and are failing to innovate further.

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Abso-freaking-lutely.

As got comparing Glock to Browning..... it's not even close. Wake me up when Glock designs a radically new shotgun, improved heavy and medium machine guns, a couple more handguns, and a cartridge more useful than .45GAP.

pat701 02-07-2013 09:47

No way:wow:


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