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Spartacus100 02-15-2013 08:53

Severe problem with my Scorpion
 
I purchased my Scorpion 1911 on New Years day and it has been good so far but not great. I have been carrying it as my EDC and i noticed this when i got home last night. This is really bad and in a self defense situation could have cost me everything. Nothing like not being able to take the gun of safe.

On top of this issue, it has a small bur on the plunger lever that makes getting the slide back on difficult. It also is very hard to rack the slide on a chambered cartridge. Almost like its stuck yet the gun is very clean. And the mags that came with it will occasionally fail to lock the slide back when empty or once they locked the slide back on a half full mag. I know Sig will make it right but problems like this shouldnt happen on a $1000 gun. :steamed:

up1911fan 02-15-2013 09:00

Your having all these problems with a gun you were carrying? How many rounds through it before you decided to carry it?

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 09:18

It ran well for the first 500 rounds and the problems only recently started. The safety plunger is the real concern that i have and it just started. The mags i can deal with as i have a wilson combat mag i could carry and i can replace the Sig mags. And the burr on the plunger lever was an annoyance but didnt hinder the function of the pistol. I was going to have my local gunsmith file it down which would have resolved the problem but i hadnt gotten around to it yet. Again, minor problems that i could have addressed myself until i saw the problem with the safety.

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 09:19

i ran 500 through it before i started carrying it.

fnfalman 02-15-2013 10:21

Carry it Israeli-style. Problem solved.

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 10:31

that might work but for a gun i have had for 6 weeks that cost what it did, i expect it to work as designed. I know they are tools and no gun is 100% perfect BUT I'm just disappointed that for the cost, i am having these problems. Guess i am back to carrying my Glock 19.

faawrenchbndr 02-15-2013 10:58

It is a man made product, some have flaws. Look at Glock.
Hope your Glock does not chuck brass in your face when you need to count on it.
Contact Sig,.....they will make it right.

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 11:02

The Glock doesnt and I did contact Sig and will be sending it out on Monday. Just wish it wasnt a 3 week turn around.

MD357 02-15-2013 11:08

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And the mags that came with it will occasionally fail to lock the slide back when empty or once they locked the slide back on a half full mag
That's most likely a shooter problem, not a gun problem. Where are your thumbs? Lots of guys don't realize that they engage a slide stop while shooting. Especially guys that shoot glocks thumbs forward. The slide lock half way through a mag is an indicator because the follower is halfway down the mag and can't engage.


Non of the problems you mentioned would I consider "severe" by any means.

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 11:33

The thumb safety plunger overlapping the thumb safety thereby preventing the safety from being disengaged isnt a serious problem? Maybe not to you but as my EDC, i think its quite serious. As far as my thumb hitting the slide stop, its always a possibility but i dont think it was the case. And yes, most are minor problems but still shouldnt happen on a $1000 1911. At least not the safety issue and the out of spec plunger lever. Thats on the manufacturer.

captdreifus 02-15-2013 12:56

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Originally Posted by MD357 (Post 19990733)
That's most likely a shooter problem, not a gun problem. Where are your thumbs? Lots of guys don't realize that they engage a slide stop while shooting. Especially guys that shoot glocks thumbs forward. The slide lock half way through a mag is an indicator because the follower is halfway down the mag and can't engage.


Non of the problems you mentioned would I consider "severe" by any means.

Take a closer look at the picture..

MD357 02-15-2013 13:04

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Originally Posted by captdreifus (Post 19991091)
Take a closer look at the picture..

I understand what I see, it's not a catastrophic fix by any means. Guess I'm just used to more dramatic failures.

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As far as my thumb hitting the slide stop, its always a possibility but i dont think it was the case.
Of course not, most guys usually won't admit they are possibly the cause.

What do you think engaged the slide stop on a half full mag then? Granted it "could be" a poorly fitted SS or bullet noses but the shooter is the most likely variable I've seen.

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 13:16

I have no idea. It probably was me, but just maybe it was a problem with the gun. Its not like that is the only problem i have had with it and the other problems i have had are part failure/quality control issues with Sig so who knows. I realize problems do happen to all manufacturers and i accept that and feel Sig will make it right.

Your right in that its not a "catastrophic" problem in that I caught it before it was an issue. But I'll bet your opinion would change had it happened to you and at a time when you needed to use the firearm to protect yourself or someone else. That is really my biggest concern and a concern i shouldnt have with a pistol from a quality manufacturer like Sig. Just my opinion anyway.

MD357 02-15-2013 13:28

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I have no idea. It probably was me, but just maybe it was a problem with the gun.
Just going on the basics of how a 1911 works. Which an understanding of which goes a LONG way for 1911 shooters.

Granted several things are possible and you probably need quality mags anyways, ($1000 1911 or not, many 1911s ship with junk mags) but the fact that it locks back sometimes on a full mag and doesn't lock back on an empty mag leads me to believe that a shooter is the first variable to eliminate, rather an extremely easy one. :cool:

This would be something important to figure out if you want to carry a 1911.

Mayhem like Me 02-15-2013 13:40

Poor staking on the plunger tube it happens, it's an easy fix.

Thats why I have mine brazed... :)

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 14:08

Someone else mentioned that too about the plunger tube. Its a warranty issue so i'll let Sig fix it. Should be good to go when i get it back.

G36_Me 02-15-2013 20:22

I'm not understanding why your getting so much guff about the slide lock issue. Yes, you might be jacking the slide lock; I doubt it. The reason I don't think so is the repetitive nature of the issue and you would recognize the problem since you're not a rookie.

Given the obvious hardware issues I would lean towards a complete check by Sig, including the mags.


Heck, I had to have Ed Brown rework one of their guns for a hardware issue. It is awesome, not tainted.


I'm not a 1911 armor so the folks that obviously are don't seem to think the issue is big. All I can say is I've never had an issue like in your picture and it is something I would also be distressed over.


Good luck and I hope this is fixed and your faith in the firearm is restored. It will take awhile.


Keep us posted as the response to the issue from Sig counts for more than the fact of the issue. We will be judging Sig more by how they make the issue right than by the issue.

Spartacus100 02-15-2013 20:29

i will and thanks for the kind words. It goes back to Sig on Monday and they say the turn around is 3 weeks.

faawrenchbndr 02-15-2013 20:31

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Originally Posted by G36_Me (Post 19992634)
I'm not understanding why your getting so much guff about the slide lock issue. Yes, you might be jacking the slide lock; I doubt it.........



The only way a slide stop will engage, with a partially expended
magazine, is shooter input. It can not, will not, happen any other way.

As for the OP,
Learn a crap load more about a 1911, or sell it. You need to learn
general maintenance and adjustments. It's not a Glock, & Sig has
not made a truly decent pistol in the US.

Rinspeed 02-15-2013 21:20

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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr (Post 19992663)
The only way a slide stop will engage, with a partially expended
magazine, is shooter input. It can not, will not, happen any other way.




That's not true at all. If the slide stop is not to spec it can very easily cause the slide to lock with rounds still in the mag. Kimber had a whole bunch of slide stops not made right that would do this on a regular basis.


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