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Vic777 02-19-2013 07:38

The "gun problem" is a "black problem"
 
If you take blacks out of the equation, what are the statistics?
If you take drug dealers out of the equation, what are the statistics?

JBnTX 02-19-2013 07:49

In before the lock!

The gun problem is NOT a black problem, it's a social problem that affects everyone.

Trying to blame the problem on any one race is just simply wrong.

We've kicked God out of our society and embraced every deviant behavior known to man, and as a result we now have a society where anything goes and we no longer have respect for each other, or anything.

Life has been cheapened by TV and movie violence, and by video games that glorify killing and violence. Most of the population is addicted to chemicals in one form or another. The rest are just simply pissed off at the world.

Illegal drugs are a MAJOR problem in this country and fuel most of the violence and gun crimes, yet most Americans want more drugs legalized. Figure that one out.

The gang/hip hop culture is another problem that is completely out of control and being tolerated by lawmakers and the general population.

When you tell your children that they're descended from apes and that they're no different than animals, then they go out and act like animals.

Today, the easiest way out of life's complex problems is drugs.
If drugs don't solve your problem, then grab a gun.

That's what we've trained our society to do.

Personal responsibility is an outdated concept and your problems are always the fault of someone else. You deal with that by walking in to some place and opening fire with a gun.

People get the government they deserve.
It seems that they also get the society they deserve.

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Joshhtn 02-19-2013 07:53

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Originally Posted by Vic777 (Post 20005601)
If you take blacks out of the equation, what are the statistics?
If you take drug dealers out of the equation, what are the statistics?

Are you serious????

Syclone538 02-19-2013 08:14

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volsbear 02-19-2013 08:18

While I also believe it's a cultural issue (a culture of violence), the OP is correct. If you take African American violence out of the broad picture in America, our troubles aren't quite as severe.

The fact that this is true is why it's a cultural/societal problem though.

number1gun 02-19-2013 08:36

I think what the OP was alluding to is the fact that every time firearms, crime, violence type stats get thrown in the publics face there seems to be a race or controled substance angle, agenda, in one aspect or another. What if these were seperated from the stats being compiled. What would the numbers look like. Sometimes having raw data tells a different story.

Angry Fist 02-19-2013 08:37

I'm in....

sugarcreek 02-19-2013 08:45

We can look at the black family and statistics. It is obvious and knowable. We as a society, and the black culture and family as a demographic group, will both be better off when we embrace black conservatives... I hate to throw around "BLACK", but it is what it is. Black, on MOSTLY black violent crime IS. The reasons are debated. I see one cause to be care-taking and enabling of elitist white liberals and the "victim mentality", not to throw the word "white" in there for any sinister reason either... Let's not be too shy or PC here.

kirgi08 02-19-2013 08:50

:popcorn:

Gunhaver 02-19-2013 08:53

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Originally Posted by JBnTX (Post 20005626)


Illegal drugs are a MAJOR problem in this country and fuel most of the violence and gun crimes, yet most Americans want more drugs legalized. Figure that one out.

Most of us have figured that one out. It's called "prohibition doesn't work" and it applies to guns and drugs and sex stuff and food and anything else you can think of that people really want. You seem to be one of the few here that really thinks the war on drugs has been a stunning success. How many tax dollars should we spend on fighting drugs this year?

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Originally Posted by JBnTX (Post 20005626)
When you tell your children that they're descended from apes and that they're no different than animals, then they go out and act like animals.


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Exactly which animals will they act like? I'm quite well versed in zoology and animal behavior and neither my evolution teaching ex-wife nor my evolution teaching current girlfriend had children that acted like any animals. I would have to say that their behavior is quit human like.

JBnTX 02-19-2013 09:29

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver (Post 20005801)

...You seem to be one of the few here that really thinks the war on drugs has been a stunning success. How many tax dollars should we spend on fighting drugs this year?

The so called war on drugs has been an utter disaster, because you don't fight a war with compassion, education and training.

In a real war on drugs we'd have already parked an aircraft carrier off the coast of Columbia and burned their drug crop to cinders.

You make distribution, possession and use of illegal drugs a capital offense and watch the drug trade dry up overnight.

Drugs are destroying this country and it's past time we declared a real war on the druggies and destroy them before they destroy us.


Exactly which animals will they act like?...

They act like animals in the sense that they have no respect for other life. Their needs come first, no matter the cost.

Just because the war on drugs has been a failure, doesn't mean we just give up and legalize them.

We fight harder.

Snowman92D 02-19-2013 09:30

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver (Post 20005801)
I'm quite well versed in zoology and animal behavior and neither my evolution teaching ex-wife nor my evolution teaching current girlfriend had children that acted like any animals. I would have to say that their behavior is quit human like.

Based on your prior behavior here, it's pretty safe to assume you're not telling the truth...but if your assorted womenfolk are "teaching" why don't you have them pay their own way instead of helping them to leech off the gov't...i.e. "the rest of us", for their needs? :whistling:

volsbear 02-19-2013 09:31

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Originally Posted by JBnTX (Post 20005943)
Just because the war on drugs has been a failure, doesn't mean we just give up and legalize them.

We fight harder.

At an absolute minimum, you'd at least have to concede that we need to rethink strategy.

Syclone538 02-19-2013 09:35

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Originally Posted by JBnTX (Post 20005943)
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You make distribution, possession and use of illegal drugs a capital offense and watch the drug trade dry up overnight.
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JBnTX 02-19-2013 09:39

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Originally Posted by volsbear (Post 20005946)
At an absolute minimum, you'd at least have to concede that we need to rethink strategy.

Most definitely!

The druggies always bring up alcohol prohibition as an excuse for just giving up on the drug problem.

Imagine if the government would have just fought harder and succeeded in keeping alcohol illegal. Just think of the lives and families that would have been saved.

For that reason we cannot give up on drugs just because it may appear that we're losing the battle. Have we become a nation of losers, who quit when the going gets tough?

The illegal drug trade in this country is the primary cause of the gun and gang violence we have. Get a handle on drugs and the gun problem, crime problem and gang problem will solve its self.

We can't just give up because a few pot heads want to get high. Obviously they have no respect for the lives of others, and just want their own needs fulfilled.

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railfancwb 02-19-2013 09:45

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Originally Posted by JBnTX (Post 20005943)
Just because the war on drugs has been a failure, doesn't mean we just give up and legalize them.

We fight harder.

Definition of insanity: Keep doing what you have been doing and expect different results.

Except for moonshiners, who we've had at least as far back as George Washington and still have today, crime associated with beverage alcohol largely dried up after Prohibition ended.

If recreational drugs which are presently illegal were made legal in the same way alcohol was (re)legalized, why would the result be significantly different?


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snerd 02-19-2013 09:49

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Originally Posted by sugarcreek (Post 20005782)
...... Let's not be too shy or PC here.

This conversation can never take place. It's been forbidden by the subjects in lieu of the race card.

JBnTX 02-19-2013 09:52

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Originally Posted by railfancwb (Post 20005997)

Definition of insanity: Keep doing what you have been doing and expect different results.

What don't you understand about fighting harder and changing our strategy?
I'm not saying we keep doing the same old thing.

We need new tactics and a new strategy and a real war on drugs, not just lip service while the problem gets worse.

Or would you rather we just give up and let drugs rule our society?
Do you prefer the gun violence and the gang violence?

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volsbear 02-19-2013 09:53

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Originally Posted by railfancwb (Post 20005997)
Definition of insanity: Keep doing what you have been doing and expect different results.

Except for moonshiners, who we've had at least as far back as George Washington and still have today, crime associated with beverage alcohol largely dried up after Prohibition ended.

If recreational drugs which are presently illegal were made legal in the same way alcohol was (re)legalized, why would the result be significantly different?


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Do you think the drug cartels would suddenly give up and stop peddling their crap on our streets? Or do you believe they'd simply go get a license to manufacture and distribute?

I don't completely disagree with you, but I don't think the problem dries up as fast as the booze problem did.

pugman 02-19-2013 10:01

Gun violence isn’t a “black thing.”

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/dea...10_release.pdf

First, guns kill a lot of people but in the grand scheme of things they don’t. The CDC’s statistics (with ironically seemed more detailed then the FBI’s) showed 16,065 homicides in 2010 (The data wasn’t available until 10/10/2012). Guns accounted for about 70% of these deaths. For the record Parkinson’s killed about 7,000 more. There were over twice as many suicides and the flu killed over 3 times as many. In other words, twice as many people wanted to kill themselves than others – this alone should say something. Alcoholism killed more people than guns.

You could argue gun violence is a “urban thing.”

Based on the CDC data, almost 60 percent of U.S. firearm homicides occur in the 62 cities of the country’s 50 largest metros. However, only 27 percent of suicides do.

As for black vs. white for some reason they didn’t supply stats for 2010 but for 2008 blacks were 5 times more likely to be the victim of homicide but whites were about 3 times more likely to kill themselves. One reason given for no longer providing this information was the inconsistency in reporting racial statistics on birth and death certificates.

You would think people would be more concerned about infant mortality rates as it relates to race-blacks rates are over twice as high.

One thing you need to be careful of in the media is when they quote "gun related deaths" vs "gun related homicides."


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