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TED 07-22-2005 14:03

Russian Martial Arts, Systema...
 
Anyone know anything about this?

TED

Roundeyesamurai 07-22-2005 23:02

What would you like to know, specifically?

TED 07-22-2005 23:29

Hard or soft?

Linear or Circular?

Stiking or grappling?

Or maybe mixed and in what percentages for example, 90% grappling and 10% striking or some other mix.

Including weapons or not, if so which ones, in particular firearms and knives for example?

Approach to disarming and degree of focus here. For eexample, do you take the weapon away from them and then finish them or trap the weapon, finish them, then take it. Seriously, I have noticed a difference between these two approaches in different arts.

Psychic....????!!!! WTF??? Is this a mistranslation and they really are meaning psyche or mindset or are they talking about psychic in some other sense? Is this strictly traditional mindset (overcoming fear and panic, being agressive in defense etc.) or is it something different and if so what exactly are we talking aobut and is it BS or not.

TED

Roundeyesamurai 07-22-2005 23:43

Well, the biggest difficulty in answering your questions, is the same difficulty presented by many other martial arts- imitators. What applies for genuine Sistema might not be reflected in imitations.

It's, generally, a hard style, emphasizing striking and grappling, along with weapons skills (including firearms).

From what I have seen, the emphasis on countering weapon attacks is to "make the weapon moot", so to speak (moving it off-line, trapping, etc.) while simultaneously counterattacking the attacker.

Most of Sistema's curriculum is preemption-based.

The use of "psychic" should probably be preceeded by "for want of a better translation" (from Russian)- they are referring to "gut feeling", "well-developed intuition", "clarity of thought", and other concepts which are pretty commonplace in other nations' martial systems.

A good source of information on Sistema is James Williams. His site is http://www.dojoofthefourwinds.com

Hope this helps.

TED 07-23-2005 09:51

Actually I visited that site. I was looking at another thread in which you participated, I saw in the other thread your link to that site and in my exploration thereof found the link to Systema. Hence the questions here.

TED

Roundeyesamurai 07-23-2005 16:42

Aaahhh, gotcha.

TED 07-23-2005 17:12

In looking through the articles, it wasn't that they didn;t provide enough information per se, just that it was above my level of undertanding, hence the specific pointed questions above.

Do you think you might be able to help me understand it to some degree in the limited context of my understanding of the above terms?

TED

Roundeyesamurai 07-23-2005 17:29

Sure thing.

Actually, if you'd like detailed stuff, shoot me a PM.

(Not being secretive or anything- discussing it in "real time" saves me from having an argument with my carpal tunnel syndrome LOL).

FifthFreedom 07-24-2005 08:22

www.russianmartialart.com

glock glockler 07-27-2005 20:34

It's, generally, a hard style, emphasizing striking and grappling, along with weapons skills (including firearms)

Systema is generally soft and it does NOT emphasize grapping at all, when you grap someone you lock yourself up with the opponent and you cannot grab them as well as hold onto your gun, knife, or club.

As far as disarming goes, the man is the threat and not the knife, the knife is only an extension of the threat. You might attack the limb holding the weapon or the person but your aim is not to hyperfocus on the weapon and destroy the man.

The "psychic energy" tapes goes into using a person's reflexes against them. Look at it this way, if I were to slowly put my hand near your crotch or face you'd probably make a sudden move away from my hand. I am not touching you yet you still moved, so if one knows enough about those reactions you can exploit them in you opponent.

We don't have preset forms or techniques in Systema, the idea is to let go and allow your body to do what it wants. Many times in class I will attack a student and they will dispatch me in some way and I'll ask them exactly how they did it and they are not sure or will have to think about it.

Roundeyesamurai 07-27-2005 20:41

Quote:

Originally posted by glock glockler
Systema is generally soft and it does NOT emphasize grapping at all, when you grap someone you lock yourself up with the opponent and you cannot grab them as well as hold onto your gun, knife, or club.
Another example of the difficulties with semantics- when people ask me if something is "hard style" or "soft style", I generally interpret "soft style" to mean "like aikido, tai chi, etc.".

Essentially, it is a soft style in the same sense that aikijujutsu styles are "soft styles"- "hard" in comparison to their "do" counterparts, but not as "hard" as, say, most styles of Karate.


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