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Don't count Biden completely out. He is capable of lucid moments and he is an old politician, but he is used to using monologue as his tool. Ryan has to keep him away from being able to pull one out of his pocket, as it were, by approaching issues from angles Joe doesn't have a prepped answer for.
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"Oh bother" said Pooh, as he punched the magazine release...
In some peoples minds "What if?" is just as real as What Is.
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