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Old 11-08-2012, 20:28   #98
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Originally Posted by Gunhaver View Post
It isn't a matter of getting those that do agree with you out to vote. It's because you can't convince anyone new to vote on your side. In short, you guys suck at debate.

Take a look at some of the threads on the religious issues forum and see how ineffective the arguments from the religious conservatives are. Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything. Even the third party voters weren't convinced and they lined up with you Romney supporters on many issues.

As long as abortion is always murder, gays have an agenda to destroy the traditional family, women should have rape babies and planned parenthood (which is directly responsible for many of you not making child support payments) is the major drain of tax dollars in this country, black people are the main users of welfare, and your golden boy candidate honestly believes in talking salamanders, getting his own planet and magic holy underwear then very, very few new voters are going to take you seriously.

Think about it. Who do republicans rail against? Anyone that disagrees with them. That's a whole lot of people and that was just proven to you last night. Women, gays, minorities, atheists, libertarians, poor people, sick people... that's a whole lot of people. Romney flat out said that 47% of us were worthless. Who do democrats rail against? Republicans, the rich, people that think their bible should be a guide to the law. Not nearly so many people and the points they make against those people are so much better than anything your side is saying about your enemies.

When someone comes here, or to any forum where conservatives are the majority, and expresses an opinion that differs from your own the correct response is not, "Yer jist a damned liberal!" or, "You're looking for a free ride!"

You might want to consider dumping the religious insanity that so many of us are sick of and start making some damned sense. You could stick to the fiscal matters and relay that info to the fence sitters while dumping anyone from your party that opens his stupid mouth about gays or taxpayer funded birth control.

Or you could just run Rick Santorum in 2016 on the NO MORE PORN ticket, hope for the best in one hand and frothy mix in the other and see which one fills up first.
You are a perfect illustration of the idea that if you are a hammer, every problem is a nail. For you, more God-hate is always the answer, and certainly trumps other issues like gun rights. IMHO the opposite is the problem. Let me quote John Adams:

"We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."

This explains the breakdown of America today, and why attempts to export our Constitution to other nations and cultures without our Biblical Christian background have had little success. See our recent efforts in Muslim nations. The governments of the former Communist bloc used the terminology of America's governing principles, but without the Judeo-Christian heritage driving it. This is from Gary DeMars book, "God and Government":

"The assumption is that since a certain type of constitutionalism works in America, then it should have an equal chance of success in any country, no matter what ideology motivates and forms the world view of the people. In essence, governmental forms are considered to be more important than ideology and character. This has not proved to be true. For example, Bolivia had sixty revolts, ten constitutions, and six presidents assassinated between 1826 and 1898. Simon Bolivar (1783-1830), called the "George Washington of South America", died an exhausted and disillusioned idealist because of the character of the ungovernable people. Some months before his death Bolivar wrote:

There is no good faith in Latin America, nor among the nations of Latin America. Treaties are scraps of paper; constitutions, printed matter [see today's liberal activist judges]; elections, battles; freedom, anarchy; and life a torment."

As this nation continues to turn its back on God, Bolivia, here we come. Lawless looters seem to be firmly in charge here. My prediction is this eventually ends in a totally devalued dollar and an authoritarian government of the right or left.
I dont believe that people should be able to own guns. Obama to John R. Lott Jr. in a private conversation at the University of Chicago.

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