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Old 11-30-2012, 11:38   #8
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Originally Posted by Comrade Bork View Post
I do not believe it is necessary for morality to be based upon religious principals...
Thou shalt not initiate violence against another.
Where does our conscience come from, if not from God? How would Darwinism create a sense of duty which can sometimes lead someone to deny the will to live?

Moral goodness and happiness ought to go together in a reasonable and just world. Good people should be happy, evil people should be unhappy. But in reality, there is no such constant correlation. Therefore God must exist to eventually uphold intelligence, justice, and purity of motives, making good people happy in heaven.

As for initiating violence against another, there's a story out of California today that sort of warms my heart. A San Francisco lady had lost $1000 worth of goods delivered to her front porch this fall. So Miss Yu set out bait, more goods on her porch, and waited. Andy Anduha, 51, showed up to steal the goods (it's said that he also has a rap sheet involving rape). Miss Yu charged out and sprayed half a can of bear pepper spray on him and chased him down the street, brandishing her bokken (Japanese training sword). She citizens-arrested him and called police. Police Sgt Michael Andrychuk said police laughed when they saw Miss Yu's bokken, but they arrested the bad guy and hauled him off. Sgt Andrychuk says folks shouldn't "take the law into their own hands"..."for safety's sake", but citizen's arrest is legal if you witness the crime, and self-defense is okay "within reason" while trying to make that arrest.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"
-T. Roosevelt, President 1901-09, US soldier, martial artist, hiker, agriculteral worker, and conservationist, among other things.
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