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Old 12-02-2012, 03:29   #58
Animal Mother
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1) Dogs bark, ducks quack, and leftists (such as Animal Mother) lie.
Now I'm confused. We've established you lie, not in the least in the way you label others. Are you trying to intimate that you're actually a liberal agent provocateur?
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Likening Christianity and Islam is false.
Except that it isn't in many cases.
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Christians engaging in unjustified violence are betraying the explicit teachings and examples of Jesus Christ.
Who gets to decide when violence is justified? Is this another instance where you've decided you should be the arbiter?
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OTOH, violent, unjust Muslims can rightly claim to be following the commands of Allah in the Koran and imitating Mohammed's evil role model.
Then why can't you produce relevant examples?
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Just some of the verses cited to support unjust Islamic violence include: Koran...
Let's examine a few at random:
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2:190-3
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

Is it your position that defensive war is unjustified violence?

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3:157-8
And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world]. And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

Being with God after dying in his service is terrorism?
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3:169
And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision,

As above, how is this terrorism?
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4:89
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

An indictment of apostasy, but not an endorsement of terrorism. How is this different than the commands of Deuteronomy 13?

What about the context, that seems vitally important in regards to the bible. What does the next verse say?

Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

That doesn't seem to be an endorsement of terrorism either. Maybe you've just picked the wrong verses?
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8:12-17
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. "That [is yours], so taste it." And indeed for the disbelievers is the punishment of the Fire. O you who have believed, when you meet those who disbelieve advancing [for battle], do not turn to them your backs [in flight]. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day, unless swerving [as a strategy] for war or joining [another] company, has certainly returned with anger [upon him] from Allah , and his refuge is Hell - and wretched is the destination. And you did not kill them, but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, [O Muhammad], when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing.


Still not seeing any terrorism, but remind me what is the Christian belief about what happens to non-believers?
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...but, as a lying, anti-Western, leftist dhimmi, you knew all of this, didn't you?
I know you either haven't actually read the Qu'ran and the Bible, or you're intentionally misrepresenting what they say. What is intentional misrepresentation also called?
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2) God gave most of us at least a modicum of common sense, but only some of us utilize it, as your posts demonstrate.
Then you admit you don't actually have any idea how to identify a "real" Muslim or "real" Christian? An unexpected bit of honesty.

You also still haven't explained why you're employing anti-2A tactics against the First Amendment.
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