Originally Posted by devildog2067
What does "you can't give birth to yourself" have anything to do with anything? Without appeal to a higher authority, we can establish basic moral principles such as "murder is wrong" through simple application of the Golden Rule. The details are more complicated, and this is true whether your morals come out of a book of fables or through analysis without asking a higher power.
Dana gets it (my point).
Morality is an external thing; you don't really invent your own. If you were to do so, it would be subject only to its creator's own whim, which devolves quickly into "what benefits me is good". Even in your examples, you give authority to a book of fables or similar.
On another angle, "murder is wrong". Oh, yeah? Sez you. (Bang) Now what are you going to do? You're dead, I've got your wallet, your clan's appeal to the law is exactly an appeal to higher authority, and should they choose to deal with things themselves, they're no different than I was when I pulled the trigger.