The check up form the neck up is one soulution, in other words, tell them to gear up and spar with someone who is in good shape and see who wins. By spar, I mean spar, take downs, head shots everything. Just be there to not let anything outrageious happen. No time limits. The fact is, most MA give the false idea that learning hundreds of techniques is the way.
Of course, you can just not associate with people like that, or let them learn on by losing, they will either get into shape or leave the program, either way, it's for the best. They stop lieing to themselves and you will start attracting the kind of students who can actually fight if they need to.
Last edited by MARTIN FISHER; 04-06-2005 at 13:10..