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Old 11-10-2005, 22:00   #108
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Re: Look, 9 out of 10 attackers dont make you hit them.

Originally posted by glug
Then over half stop after being hit solidly, once in the chest, even with pipsqueak loads like 380 jhp's, 9mm ball, and 38 lrn. So it's a very, very small fraction of attackers who require any sort of real "stopping". All the longarm does, short of shtf, is get in the way, and be too slow to access and use. The 10mmm is plenty as a manstopper. the problem lies with getting the hits. reloading 10mm costs very little more than reloading the 9mm.

In fact, if you practice with a lw,compact 9mm, and carry a full size and wt 10mm, the adrenalin dump of combat will preclude your having any detectable diff in performance. Pistol defense is nearly always at 10 ft or less, you know. It's usually not used against a gun, either. The reason the handgun sucks against autorifles is lack of effective range. Beyond 10 yds, the handgun sucks in combat, just like a rifle sucks beyond 100 yds, when you are being shot at.
Most of the half you speak of stop for psycological reasons (ie they give up) I don't want to realy on that. The only way to stop determined attackers with pistols is multiple hits in good areas. 2 to the chest the rest 1 to the head 2 to the pelvis repeat as necessary.

Most gun fights occure with in 7 yards so your right about that but not all do. I know of several shootings well over that. One involved a Trooper up here who was shot at by a rifle armed suspect in the village. Fortunately the suspect missed. The trooper shot 6 rounds at 30 yards and hit the suspect 4 times in the upper torso. He missed twice. Then their was an MP shooting where an MP took out an AK armed mental subject at 80 yards with his Beretta M9. So pistols don't suck past 10 yards their shooters do. Rifles don't suck past 100 yards their shooters do. In the sand pit our guys are making good hits with their M4's at 500 or more yards. Its all in the training. And the reason pistols suck against rifles and shotguns is not just range its power. Not many people have taken a pair of 223 soft points and continued fighting or a pair of buck shot rounds or slugs. But lots of people have kept fighting with 10 or most pistol rounds in them.
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