NEW Glock17 Gen4- need advice

Seawolf · 03-19-2010, 20:59

Hey fellas,

Just put a brand new Gen4 G17 on layaway as a birthday gift to myself and I plan on doing a lot more competition shooting as soon as I get it. Right now I am a begginer with some ISPC under my belt, but this will be the first time I will have used a Glock to compete with. Previously I was using a Beretta 92FS.

I am looking to change out 3 things. First would be a new 3.5lb drop in trigger bar. Second would be some decent night sights ( I really like the Heinie or warren tactical stuff), and third maybe an aftermarket barrel.

I know Wolff makes barrels, but I am unsure which one to get. I'm thinking something threaded to run a suppressor in the house for HD situations and to run reloads through.

I'd love to hear about your setups. Thanks.

jhayesvw · 03-19-2010, 22:00

here is my advice and obviously you may not agree.

do not use your competition gun for home defense too.
i dont make alot of money (im a teacher) and i bought a G17 specifically to
shoot USPSA and other gun games with.

night sights will not be ideal in bright light situations, competition sights usually work better with or without a fiber optic front.
if you want to shoot IDPA i dont think you can have a threaded barrel because it adds to the length of the barrel and that is against the rules IIRC.
and you should check with the barrel maker you choose to make sure they have something for the gen 4 already. most do not i assume.

the "-" connector is a good idea as far as im concerned though.

Seawolf · 03-19-2010, 23:48

I had plans to get a G21SF at some point to compliment my daily carry G30SF so most likely the two 45acp pistols would be my go to guns in and out of the house. That's not to say I couldn't use the G17, because I would have no problem doing so, but I understand where you are coming from.

For right now the G17 would stay stock except for new sights and maybe a new connector. Those two things are easy and cheap to do. The barrels would come later once the Gen4 barrels become available. I would most likely have more than one barrel since I plan on reloading in the future.

First on the list is definantly going to be ammo. lol I've got a couple of weeks before I can bring the new pistol home so I am going to start camping out at Walmart. lol

I'm not really a serpa fan when it comes to holsters. Any good suggestions on kydex holsters.
I use a CTAC for my G30 so I am familiar with CompTac, good peeps.

A couple of sight ideas I have are the Warren Tactical and Heinie sights. I'm leaning toward the Warren sights because of cost and I like the "U" notch on the rear sight as opposed to a standard square notch. One trijicon lamp in the rear and on in the front will give me low light aquisition as well.

HK Dan · 03-20-2010, 08:54

The GLOCK 3.5 connector won't have a significant impact on the trigger pull, but the GHOST connector does. Heads up, it really makes the break mushy, but it does lighten the pull.

Dittos on not using a gun for matches and for self defense. BAD call, bad idea, it may become a fight that you don't need when you're trying to defend your actions in court.

My advice would be to shoot the gun stock and look into what other shooters are doing. Maybe you can try theirs and see if you like it before you take the plunge; just stick your toe in the water. You'll be learning the timing on a new gun, you don't need to throw a bunch of malfunction-making mods into it as well, ya know? Learn the gun, then start changing stuff.

Dan

Ps--The Warren sights are great. They are tough and they make for very accurate shooting. Night sights are probably overkill for competition; get the plain black ones and use the savings to buy more ammo and mags! One man's opinion!

fourrobert13 · 03-20-2010, 23:38

No matter how much I like to tinker with things, I never tinker with my guns...to an extent. I'll add sights, decal grips, refinish them, etc., but I never touch triggers. Here's my reason why: I'm a police officer and carrya G17 for duty with a 5lbs trigger. My backup/off-duty is a G26 with the same trigger. My comp gun, G34, has the same 5lbs trigger. My theory is that I master the same trigger for all 3 guns, so I don't have to change anything from gun to gun. So wether at work or play, every thing is the same. I even run the same or similar sights on each gun. This just makes sense to me, but your results may vary.

9mmXRAY · 03-22-2010, 19:44

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Originally Posted by HK Dan

The GLOCK 3.5 connector won't have a significant impact on the trigger pull, but the GHOST connector does. Heads up, it really makes the break mushy, but it does lighten the pull.

Dittos on not using a gun for matches and for self defense. BAD call, bad idea, it may become a fight that you don't need when you're trying to defend your actions in court.

My advice would be to shoot the gun stock and look into what other shooters are doing. Maybe you can try theirs and see if you like it before you take the plunge; just stick your toe in the water. You'll be learning the timing on a new gun, you don't need to throw a bunch of malfunction-making mods into it as well, ya know? Learn the gun, then start changing stuff.

Dan

Ps--The Warren sights are great. They are tough and they make for very accurate shooting. Night sights are probably overkill for competition; get the plain black ones and use the savings to buy more ammo and mags! One man's opinion!

Depends on where you live really... around here its completely legal to drill a perp with a fully automatic NFA weapon not to mention race guns. After the sheriffs killed a multiple cop killer in 2006 the Orlando Sentinal newspaper asked "Why did your deputies shoot the man 68 times?"

He replied "Thats all the ammo they had"

The coroner listed the cause of death as "Natural" OS reporters asked him "How does a man thats been shot 68 times die of natural causes"

He replied "When your shot 68 times... naturally... you die."

Jon_R · 03-23-2010, 16:55

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Originally Posted by 9mmXRAY

Depends on where you live really... around here its completely legal to drill a perp with a fully automatic NFA weapon not to mention race guns. After the sheriffs killed a multiple cop killer in 2006 the Orlando Sentinal newspaper asked "Why did your deputies shoot the man 68 times?"

He replied "Thats all the ammo they had"

The coroner listed the cause of death as "Natural" OS reporters asked him "How does a man thats been shot 68 times die of natural causes"

He replied "When your shot 68 times... naturally... you die."

I remembered when it happened.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

Those 68 rounds where by the swat team. Probably all .223 and maybe some .308. I imagine he was a mess. I would have gotten him some medical attention within at least an hour of when the scene was secure......

Seawolf · 03-21-2010, 01:15

All good suggestions fellas, thanks.

I have the ghost rocket 5.5lb tactical trigger bar on my G30SF right now and I really like it. Has a short take up, crisp break, and a short reset. Depending on if the new Gen4 trigger bar is the same as the Gen3 I will probably put the same in the G17.
I think for the price the warren sights make the most sense for what I need.

I'm anxious to get started. There is a steal match coming up and I want to have around 200 rds through the gun before I actually use it in competition.

HK Dan · 03-21-2010, 17:26

Work the timing hard. HARD. Even on 2 Gen IIIs the timing is different, so bill Drill the heck out of it. Don't start from the holster, just low/ready and let fly.

Make sure you observe what the gun does as you fire, don't just shoot and hope that osmosis handles the familiarity for ya; If it goes up and right, ease the grip on the right hand. Up and left, ease the grip on the left. If it stays up in recoil, ease the grip on both hands.

Watch for the front sight on every shot, and gradually let the speed pick up (start slow). To learn the timing, you really have to shoot at your natural speed without rushing it. Before too long you'll notice the split times going downand your eye speed picking up. Every shot can be aimed AND you can run .15 splits--life is beautiful....LOL

BBJones · 03-23-2010, 16:34

I too like a "U" notch over a square notch. I got 10-8 performance sights. You don't need night sights for a competition gun. The brass bead on the front sight is really easy to pick up. Overall they provide me with an excellent balance of speed and accuracy. I prefer the wider notch version.

HK Dan · 03-23-2010, 17:18

We've got some DAs in Iowa that I wouldn't trust that much. My carry guns are pretty much stock (changed out the sights), but to shoot a bad guy with my USPSA Limited gun? Oh man. They'd have a field day. 20 round mags, magwell, and painted up like a P-47 Thunderbolt with yellow and black checkerboard nose and red trim, OD frame...Nah, they'd never scream "Cultish Behavior" on that one...LOL

9mmXRAY · 03-23-2010, 21:36

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Originally Posted by HK Dan

We've got some DAs in Iowa that I wouldn't trust that much. My carry guns are pretty much stock (changed out the sights), but to shoot a bad guy with my USPSA Limited gun? Oh man. They'd have a field day. 20 round mags, magwell, and painted up like a P-47 Thunderbolt with yellow and black checkerboard nose and red trim, OD frame...Nah, they'd never scream "Cultish Behavior" on that one...LOL

Well like I said... depends are where you are. I'm also sure where you live its probably ILLEGAL to shoot an armed man in the back while he is running away... Well here in Florida thats COMPLETELY LEGAL because at any second that man can turn and make you a target again or return later.

Seawolf · 03-29-2010, 05:55

Gotta love the Castle Doctrine. lol Florida here also

lethal tupperwa · 03-29-2010, 06:14

http://www.ameriglo.net/catalog/sigh...l-sights/glock

look at the pro operator under nightsights.

The lamps are trijicon.

The design with the thin front and wide gap works well in daylight

and is bright at night.

Roarak · 03-29-2010, 22:11

I wouldnt worry about a aftermarket barrel. Stock glock is plenty accurate for any of the gun games. Dawson or Warren sights are what most of the folks around here use for competitions.

lethal tupperwa · 03-30-2010, 07:06

you will find that some top shooters (not me sadly) are using Ameriglo.

buellxb9rider · 04-03-2010, 15:14

use a glock 3.5 connector and theres no worries about aftermarket parts and if you shoot a guy.a barrel is a waste of dough.sights help a lot.spend the extra money on practice ammo.