[wingwlkr]

I grew up shooting single action triggers, so I'm having trouble getting used to the trigger on my PM9. I know that lots of practice with the PM9 will tighten my groups, but I'm wondering if there's a .22 I could use that has a similar trigger to the PM9 so I can do more practice at a reduced cost. My guess is that a revolver might be just the ticket to get me used to the Kahr trigger, but if there is an auto-loader that is of similar size and trigger action, that would be even better.

What say you?

Thanks,
Ed

[user]

I'd avoid the Ruger Mark III because I think it's too hard to clean - when I had one, it always took me at least two hours just to get the derned thing back together. I realize you asked about semiautomagical guns, but I'm thinking that a S&W model 63 revolver is going to be the right weight and trigger pull for your practice needs, and it's a lot of fun to shoot, too.

[targus]

Originally Posted by user

I'd avoid the Ruger Mark III because I think it's too hard to clean - when I had one, it always took me at least two hours just to get the derned thing back together.

And you're an attorney? Wow...

[user]

Originally Posted by targus

And you're an attorney? Wow... And you're an attorney? Wow...

Yeah, and that's with the instructions in front of me, too. But ask me how to do a "Special Plea in Bar" or a "12(b)96) Motion to Dismiss" - I know how to do those.

Seriously, I was a mechanic and worked in a machine shop when I was a fresh-faced lad, and take guns apart and put them back together fairly routinely. Do my own action jobs and such.

The Mark III has a slide stop pin that doubles as a hammer strut end, and to put the thing together after having removed that slide stop pin requires that the hammer be in three different positions at different phases of the process. And turning the gun around to get the pin in would always mess up where the hammer was positioned. What a pain! (You DO completely remove the barrel and slide in order to thoroughly clean the gun, right?)

I went out to the garage and made a new slide stop pin with an improvement on my milling machine, but that didn't really make it any easier.

There's a guy in NJ who makes 'em with a screw-in adapter; I think I'd buy one of his if I were ever going to get another Mark III.

I stick with the S&W model 63 recommendation. Maybe replace the hammer spring and the trigger rebound spring with reduced power springs from Wolff to give it close to the (fairly light) trigger pull of the PM9.

[Cowart]

Originally Posted by user

turning the gun around to get the pin in would always mess up where the hammer was positioned. What a pain!

All you have to do is point the gun downwards and pull the trigger to move the hammer to the fired position. It only takes about 30 seconds to reassemble a Ruger 22 if you keep track of where the hammer is positioned.

[targus]

Originally Posted by user

The Mark III has a slide stop pin that doubles as a hammer strut end, and to put the thing together after having removed that slide stop pin requires that the hammer be in three different positions at different phases of the process. And turning the gun around to get the pin in would always mess up where the hammer was positioned. What a pain! (You DO completely remove the barrel and slide in order to thoroughly clean the gun, right?)

Yes, I do thoroughly remove the complete barrel/upper assembly, along with the BOLT. These guns do not have slides. Maybe the Mk III is a bit different, but I doubt it. I've had several Mk IIs and currently have a Mk II 22/45. Never had a problem getting any of them back together. Slide the upper w/ bolt on the frame, push the vertical retaining pin straight up and through the bolt and upper at the rear, turn gun over, pull trigger, look for hammer strut and ensure it rides down in the slot and into the main spring plunger when "swinging" that assembly in to snap it down. Done. I can easily do it in under 30 seconds. Sorry it took you two hours.

Seriously... Ruger sells a zillion of these .22 pistols. Do you really think the design is so bad that the "public at large" can't handle putting it back together? Nope....

Why are you taking the slide stop pin out just to break it down for cleaning? Either you are doing it WAAAAY wrong or the Mk III really IS that different from the Mk II. If the latter is the case, I'll eat my words, but show me the exploded diagram and take down instructions first... The only differences are the loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect, which should NOT affect the way it takes down or goes back together over the Mk II design.

[DustyJacket]

Made in Austria

[DustyJacket]

Originally Posted by user

I'd avoid the Ruger Mark III because I think it's too hard to clean - when I had one, it always took me at least two hours just to get the derned thing back together.

I never had a problem, but then again I follow the instructions and hints. I've owned one from each generation.


I think the closest to a Kahr is going to be a glock subcompact with an AA .22lr conversion kit.

[Cowart]

Originally Posted by DustyJacket

I think the closest to a Kahr is going to be a glock subcompact with an AA .22lr conversion kit.

Yes, Kahr is probably missing out on a lot of sales by not making a PM22

[Shooterer]

Wagonm,
I'm sorry it was a joke, I was referring to the conversion manufactures only catering to the 1911 & Glock crowd.

Sorry for the anxiety attack.

Jim

[targus]

Originally Posted by Shooterer

Wagonm,
I'm sorry it was a joke, I was referring to the conversion manufactures only catering to the 1911 & Glock crowd.

Sorry for the anxiety attack.

Jim

No anxiety attack. Just calling out a BS poster (i.e. YOU) on a completely BS post, which was stated as "matter of fact" with no "just kidding" anything of any kind.

That's what these things are for, ya know. --------->

[Shooterer]

Wagonm,
I'm sorry it was a joke, I was referring to the conversion manufactures only catering to the 1911 & Glock crowd.

Sorry for the anxiety attack.

Jim

[roginoz]

I wouldn't much care for a .22 with a trigger like the Kahr. It's made for self-defense; a .22 with a similar trigger pull won't really be good for plinking or self-defense. A DA S&W isn't going to have the same trigger pull. Why not just spend the money on $10.00 9mm ammo at Wal-Mart? An S&W is going to cost the equivalent of 2000 to 2500 rounds. (Unless you just want a .22)

[Cowart]

Originally Posted by roginoz

Why not just spend the money on $10.00 9mm ammo at Wal-Mart?

Good idea! I'll set the "way-back" machine to 2006...

[targus]

Originally Posted by Cowart

Good idea! I'll set the "way-back" machine to 2006...

I'm picking up boxes of Federal 9mm for $9.47/box at my Walmart...

[chance3290]

Originally Posted by targus

I'm picking up boxes of Federal 9mm for $9.47/box at my Walmart...

Cowart is from the future.

[Shooterer]

Have you looked in to picking up one of the .22lr conversion slides for you PM9 at www.

[wingwlkr]

Originally Posted by roginoz

Why not just spend the money on $10.00 9mm ammo at Wal-Mart? An S&W is going to cost the equivalent of 2000 to 2500 rounds. (Unless you just want a .22)

Yes, that makes sense, plus it would be practicing on the actual gun I want to carry. But, after the dollar equivalent amount of ammo that a .22 pistol would cost is shot up, the money is gone and all I have to show for it is the practice. Not a bad thing, but with buying a .22 I would still have something of (hopefully) increasing value to show for my expenditure.

I haven't been able to find any .22 DAO auto-loaders that fit the bill, so I guess a revolver would have to do.

Question is which .22 would have a trigger pull similar to the Kahr. I grew up shooting S/A triggers, so I want to re-train my muscle memory for shooting the Kahr.

[fastforty]

Beretta 21-A

[wingwlkr]

Originally Posted by fastforty

Beretta 21-A

I owned one of these back in the 1980's. If memory serves, it was double action on first shot then single action on subsequent shots. Isn't that right?

What I want is something with a similar trigger to the Kahr.

[fastforty]

Sorry, wasn't thinking about the followup shot. First shot is pretty close though, long smooth trigger pull.

[ltxi]

Originally Posted by wingwlkr

I grew up shooting single action triggers, so I'm having trouble getting used to the trigger on my PM9. I know that lots of practice with the PM9 will tighten my groups, but I'm wondering if there's a .22 I could use that has a similar trigger to the PM9 so I can do more practice at a reduced cost. My guess is that a revolver might be just the ticket to get me used to the Kahr trigger, but if there is an auto-loader that is of similar size and trigger action, that would be even better.

What say you?

Thanks,
Ed

An older j-frame s&w .22 revolver with a really good trigger job

[toddmog]

Why not spend a few bucks on a pack of snapcaps? You can get a lot of trigger time from your favorite easy chair. It would be the best way to learn your actual trigger instead of one thay might mimic it. Not to mention the fact that it would likely improve your trigger too.

[wagonm]

Pls excuse my ignornace, coz I never have used any snap caps before. In the case of Kahr, are you suggesting that by the use of snap cap, I can dry fire it without racking the slide for each and every trigger pull? Kindly pls clarify. Thanks!

If so, I'll go get some from Midway .. I think they are on sale right now.

Originally Posted by toddmog

Why not spend a few bucks on a pack of snapcaps? You can get a lot of trigger time from your favorite easy chair. It would be the best way to learn your actual trigger instead of one thay might mimic it. Not to mention the fact that it would likely improve your trigger too.

[targus]

You don't need to fully rack the slide, thereby ejecting a snap cap. You only need to pull the slide back a small mount to reset the trigger. You'll hear it "click" when it resets.