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Old 05-15-2011, 18:23   #1
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60 min Sovereign Citizens

This was on tonight, vid link in case anyone missed it


60 Mins Sovereign Citizens Video
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Old 05-15-2011, 18:32   #2
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In the academy, we watched a video about Sovereign Citizens and a few things to keep in mind that might point to them (fake plates, strange legal papers, etc.). Scary stuff.
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Old 05-15-2011, 19:08   #3
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Very good episode.
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Old 05-15-2011, 19:38   #4
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Our CLC's this year were geared towards them.

Watching the video...

ETA:

Read the Article too... Superb...

Like the Chief I might even like it if these bozos decide to come after me physically... My only concern is that they are like Super Zombies... No Hearts... Or Brains... 40mm time?
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Old 05-15-2011, 23:28   #5
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Our CLC's this year were geared towards them.

Watching the video...

ETA:

Read the Article too... Superb...

Like the Chief I might even like it if these bozos decide to come after me physically... My only concern is that they are like Super Zombies... No Hearts... Or Brains... 40mm time?

I deal with them in the Federal Buearu of Prisons. They are some of the most crying inmates I have ever seen. Although they are dangerous on the street. They normally don't come after you physically at first. They try to scare you into submission by overwelming you with a lot of fake forms etc. They even have filed UCC liens on GOV and prison officials thinking that will win their relese. They get 5 more years for doing it but they are all knuckle heads and think they are onto something.

If your department does not offer training on them I would recommend going somewhere to get some. A lot more people are "adopting" that ideology. And they are very dangerous.
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Old 05-15-2011, 23:54   #6
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I'm pretty sure a few of the Open Carry crowd over in the "Carry Issues" forum belong to this movement or at the very least share many of their beliefs.
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Old 05-16-2011, 00:55   #7
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I'm pretty sure a few of the Open Carry crowd over in the "Carry Issues" forum belong to this movement or at the very least share many of their beliefs.

That is a rather Broad Brush. That is like saying that a few bad LEO'S make all LEO's bad. I know that isn't an accurate statement. Neither is yours.
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:35   #8
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That is a rather Broad Brush. That is like saying that a few bad LEO'S make all LEO's bad. I know that isn't an accurate statement. Neither is yours.
That's why I said a few over there, not most, all or any resemblance of the same. If you followed some of the anti cop, anti government posters over there, you would agree with me.
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Old 05-16-2011, 05:40   #9
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That's why I said a few over there, not most, all or any resemblance of the same. If you followed some of the anti cop, anti government posters over there, you would agree with me.
I agree with you.

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Guys, it's a matter of survival, why let them stay on the street if there are good charges against them. Fraud comes to mind with the leins they do...
Agreed...

Lots of laws out there you can arrest a known dirtbag for... and if they resist... Happy Times...

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I deal with them in the Federal Buearu of Prisons. They are some of the most crying inmates I have ever seen. Although they are dangerous on the street. They normally don't come after you physically at first. They try to scare you into submission by overwelming you with a lot of fake forms etc. They even have filed UCC liens on GOV and prison officials thinking that will win their relese. They get 5 more years for doing it but they are all knuckle heads and think they are onto something.

If your department does not offer training on them I would recommend going somewhere to get some. A lot more people are "adopting" that ideology. And they are very dangerous.
Yeah I'm pretty well versed in the Sovereign ****izen Movement... They've got a "church" round about these parts and are frequent guests at our establishment... Like I said the CLC's this year were about them, presented by DHS...

In my estimation they are traitors or a "mad dog" and need to be dealt with as such... But alas, its a kinder gentler country we have nowadays... even in Alabama... *sigh*
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Old 05-16-2011, 22:18   #10
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That's why I said a few over there, not most, all or any resemblance of the same. If you followed some of the anti cop, anti government posters over there, you would agree with me.
I actually post on OC.org quite often, I am a former LEO and I do NOT agree with you.
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Old 05-16-2011, 23:29   #11
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I actually post on OC.org quite often, I am a former LEO and I do NOT agree with you.
I don't believe I ever mentioned OC.org. I was speaking of some of the poster over in the "carry issues" section of this board. And you don't have to agree with me. There is a hate of LE and government by some in that section.
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Old 05-16-2011, 19:29   #12
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I'm pretty sure a few of the Open Carry crowd over in the "Carry Issues" forum belong to this movement or at the very least share many of their beliefs.
I would just say that I would not be surprised.

But sharing beliefs or having membership is not crossing the line. No matter what others do, LE plays by the rules. Be careful of overarching statements. Always remember that although justice grinds on slowly, it grinds on.
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Old 05-16-2011, 00:17   #13
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:13   #14
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I have been hearing about this stuff for quite some time now. It's no joke, and I take it very seriously. Some of these people are more than willing to show us what death is like; very dangerous people.
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:59   #15
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Honest question here: Why are these oxygen theives tolerated? In all curiosity, is hter any - even a thread of legitamacy to their actions? And since I assume that the answer to question is "NO!!!", Why not go after them when they do something stupid and illegal? That I know of, at least 2 officers have been shot and killed by these morons and a number more have been involved in shootouts with them.

Guys, it's a matter of survival, why let them stay on the street if there are good charges against them. Fraud comes to mind with the leins they do...

Oh, and happy National Law Enfocrement day though a little late.
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Looks like a good group to get rid of, by any means.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:15   #17
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Had one wander into court a few weeks ago. Got shot down quick from what I heard.
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Had one wander into court a few weeks ago. Got shot down quick from what I heard.
We had an officer stop one a couple of months ago. He arrested him on a warrant (I think), and issued him a couple of citations. Since the jail here has a revolving door (powered by the courthouse), he was released ROR in the morning on his warrants and had an initial appearance set on the tickets. He started nailing us with various "subpoeanas" on the tickets almost immediately.

When it came time to initial appearance time on the tickets, somebody who claimed to be the "administrator for <NAME>" appeared for him. The judge was not impressed and ordered the "administrator" held on a $1000 cash bond on each ticket (knowing that it was our guy). After he sat in the pokey for two weeks, another judge reviewed the bond and decided that since the defendant had been required to personally appear at the initial and nobody claiming to be the defendant had been there, that they would just enter a conviction and judgment in the amount of the unsecured appearance bond (all citations here have an unsecured bond, which is 1.5x the fine + court costs that is the amount they owe if they FTA) and released him from jail.
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Hey thanks for posting this link - I missed 60 minutes last night because I was at a Michigan militia/sovereign citizen/open carry meeting.
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Old 05-17-2011, 21:00   #20
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Hey thanks for posting this link - I missed 60 minutes last night because I was at a Michigan militia/sovereign citizen/open carry meeting.
Why does it always come back to the Michigan Militia? Check out their website. They invited me to their family-friendly picnic last Spring, at the DNR range in southeast MI. They are a particular organization, not a general term for all militia members in MI (many of whom might be insurrectionists). I am not a member, and don;t know much about them, but it's been old for a while to hear jokes about the MI militia when people find out I'm from MI and am not anti-gun.
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